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Completely! How lame does Apple look that they can put a front-facing camera in the smaller, less expensive (via contract) iPhone, but can't do the same for their new, "game changer" iPad.

Two cameras as a matter of fact! Lame.

Every company does this. It's called planned obsoleteness. The simple solution? Don't buy Apple products until it has exactly what you want. If everyone stopped buying trickled in products, then buying the next generation that adds one thing, then buying the next that adds one more thing. Just don't buy any of them, until it has EVERYTHING. It would send a message to the companies to stop pulling everyone along a wild goose chase.

Apple is fully capable of releasing a product that has EVERYTHING we want. One product that includes all the features NOW instead of slowly including more and more features over a slow period of time. BUT NO COMPANY WOULD DO SOMETHING THAT DUMB! Not if they want to make money and squeeze every dime out of you they can.

But, again, simple solution. Stop going with the flow, stop letting the companies tell you when you get features.
 
Maybe I missed it, but no one has mentioned that it has been 30 days since this phone was lost. In most jurisdictions 30 days is the magic number for lost property, after which it can be dealt with.

I think the timing of this breaking when it did might have everything to do with waiting to be in the legal clear, as it happened just when the 30 days was up.

Wrong. Very, very wrong. Some states (like mine) specify thirty days... from the "final notice" to the owner. If the owner is not known, the requirement is twenty-one days from a "final notice" published in the county. HOWEVER: you may not issue this "final notice" until six months after the property came into your possession. That is, the very minimum for "personal tangible property" is six months and three weeks, and longer for a number of specific items.
 
Exactly. And what would be even better for Apple is if there are more of these controlled leaks, so this design is "confirmed" and everything and then this June, Steve pulls out something totally different, but better! (Just to keep the hype up)
It seems like when the keynotes all come around anymore, we have all seen the leaks, and there is not much surprise anymore, so I think it would be smart for Apple to do that.

This is dumb. Apple isn't going to design and build a fake, complete electronic device and leak it through some complicated method just to build hype.

An employee was testing a prototype and lost it, Gizmodo ended up with it and posted it on their site. There's no magic or conspiracy, Gray Powell ****ed up and Gizmodo took advantage of it.
 
I'll be laughing my ass off if this iphone turns out to be fake. The fact that they paid $5k for this points to be some sort of scam. I bet some geek made this looking for some quick and easy cash.

why is there still no info on the hardware? The device can't even power on for crying out loud!

right lol. some people are so delusional its not even funny. it would of cost said "geek" alot more then $5000 and a crapload more time to make this "fake". I'm beginning to believe the dude really lost the phone. the whole "intentional leak" thing is giving apple entirely too much credit. this thing is a mess and I don't see one good reason to leak this. apple has plenty of press already and all this did was basicly make the 3gs unsellable from now til june. Apple has made tonsssss of $ by keeping quiet about new products to the point their still selling their old products like hot cakes up until days before the new product is announced.
 
Okay, notwithstanding the Federal realm, the relevant California Penal Code sections are:

487PC - Grand Theft. However, we are missing the required criminal element of INTENT. Grand Theft is not a general intent crime, it is a specific intent crime.

496 PC - Receiving Stolen Property. This is the more applicable section to pursue criminal prosecution.

FWIW.
 
This is dumb. Apple isn't going to design and build a fake, complete electronic device and leak it through some complicated method just to build hype.

An employee was testing a prototype and lost it, Gizmodo ended up with it and posted it on their site. There's no magic or conspiracy, Gray Powell ****ed up and Gizmodo took advantage of it.

This post makes me happy. :) Why? Because it's logical and makes sense. End of story.
 
Ok, so what I don't understand is that if Apple remotely bricked the phone within hours of it being lost, then they new it was lost and they had an active Mobile Me connection to it before the battery went dead. That means they could access it's location, lock it down, and have it display a message declaring that it was a lost phone and giving contact information to return it as well as sending somebody to the known location of the phone to try to find it. The fact that they did not use their own systems to do exactly what they are designed to do in this situation is the real screw up here. The guy leaving it in the bar in the first place was an innocent mistake. Deliberately failing to recover the phone when they had the means to do so is the true failure. Something does not add up in this story.
 
10k???

where r u guys getting this 5k-10k range from? the AP article said 5k
 
Maybe I missed it, but no one has mentioned that it has been 30 days since this phone was lost. In most jurisdictions 30 days is the magic number for lost property, after which it can be dealt with.

I think the timing of this breaking when it did might have everything to do with waiting to be in the legal clear, as it happened just when the 30 days was up.

That's if you take it to the police. I can't find a dog, sort of look for the owners, hold onto for 30 days and then it becomes mine.

If whoever found it had taken it to the police, then they would've held it for 30 days AND if no one claimed it, then they would've gotten it back. 30 days would've been Sunday, but Jason Chen mentions that Giz has had the device for about a week. That's less than 30 days.

If the person who found it didn't take it to the police at all, then they had no legal right to sell it.

Eg. I can't sell someone's found dog, because it's not mine to sell.
 
Maybe I missed it, but no one has mentioned that it has been 30 days since this phone was lost. In most jurisdictions 30 days is the magic number for lost property, after which it can be dealt with.

I think the timing of this breaking when it did might have everything to do with waiting to be in the legal clear, as it happened just when the 30 days was up.

Not sure that is how it works. The length of time varies, and there are some caveats for them. Some places you have to make an effort to find the owner, or in a lot of places, the police would have to maintain custody of it, and if not claimed after a certain period of time it would be turned back to the finder.

No place that I know of in the US do you just take someone else's property from a restaurant/bar/business/store and keep it, and get to keep it and then just say, oh well must be mine now since nobody tracked me down.

There are only 3 legal things he could have done with the phone, and only two legal outcomes.

He could have turned the phone over to the place he found it.

He could have turned the phone into the local police.

He could have tried to contact the person who lost the phone, but failing to do that, then would have to do one of the above two things.

There is no legal outcome where he just takes the phone and keeps it, that I know of, not even if he hires a skywriter and sets up a web page.

Okay, notwithstanding the Federal realm, the relevant California Penal Code sections are:

487PC - Grand Theft. However, we are missing the required criminal element of INTENT. Grand Theft is not a general intent crime, it is a specific intent crime.

496 PC - Receiving Stolen Property. This is the more applicable section to pursue criminal prosecution.

FWIW.

His intent was he clear. He intended to steal a phone and keep it or sell it. At some point he figured out it was more valuable then he even thought. His intent is pretty clear.

When he took the item out of the place where he found it and never turned it in to the police, he had proven his intent was to steal it. Leaving with the phone is probably enough intent. Leaving with it and never contacting the police means you had no other intent but to have stolen it.

He saw the phone and said to himself, hmm, I should take it because someone left it there.

Sounds like intent to me. If he went to the manager of the bar and they refused to take it from him, that would show he did not intend to steal it. Anything else shows his intent to steal it.

No reasonable person would assume the best way to find the lost owner of an item would be to remove it from the place it was lost. It would be different if it were found in a public space but it was not. It was find in a bar. Thus anything short of turning it into the bar is intent to steal. For all he knew it was someone who worked at the bar.

I would say you would have to have a pretty dumb jury and/or judge to claim his intent was not to steal this item.
 
Given that their phones are GPS enabled, its not a hard stretch of the imagination that a TOP SECRETE PROTOTYPE wouldn't be calling home all the time to tell Steve where his newest baby was.

They did "brick" the dam thing... so I think they could of tracked it.
 
What is the legal side of paying the guy to let gizmodo see it?

Ie: I will not pay you for the iPhone, but I'll pay for your trip here so I can see it and give you money for hotel room and some spending cash for a per diem.
 
Ok, so what I don't understand is that if Apple remotely bricked the phone within hours of it being lost, then they new it was lost and they had an active Mobile Me connection to it before the battery went dead. That means they could access it's location, lock it down, and have it display a message declaring that it was a lost phone and giving contact information to return it as well as sending somebody to the known location of the phone to try to find it. The fact that they did not use their own systems to do exactly what they are designed to do in this situation is the real screw up here. The guy leaving it in the bar in the first place was an innocent mistake. Deliberately failing to recover the phone when they had the means to do so is the true failure. Something does not add up in this story.

Good point, but we're talking legal matters here. Do you really think Apple is just going to send two burly men to somebody's house to get the phone back? Could you imagine the charges against Apple then? Trespassing, etc., etc... The only other option is to notify the police, but I'm not sure how that would work.
 
remote wipe by apple.... or he had mobile me and did it himself.. n00bs
 
things I do not get about this story....

Drunk guy sees an iPhone. Why would he just hand it over?

Guy he gets the phone did not notice anything unusual the next day yet there is a camera right there in front?


Gizmodo drops 10K for a phone they knew was stolen, had it for 2 weeks and ripped it apart then didn't bother to contact the Apple guy until today.

Gizmodo shows all sorts of pictures of the outside, but never thinks to look inside to see what processor or wireless chip is being used.

The whole thing doesn't add up.

Has Apple asked for the return of its property? If not, why not?

Apple has every right to demand it back. The fact that they haven't suggests that this isn't the real thing.

It's cool that they posted the pics and video, very skeezy that they named the guy . . . although now that I think about it, having the public on his side could make it less likely he's fired. Because now everyone will want to know if he gets fired or not, it's more pressure on Apple to play it cool and let it pass.

Not a chance. If the guy did what he allegedly did, he deserves to be fired.

What is the legal threshold for "grand theft"? $5000 might just make it a serious felony. :)

$400 in California, so they're well over the limit.

If it is lost, and picked up in a bar, many have argued salvage / abandonment / finders-keepers rights to avoid any criminal charges if someone tries to make a case of it.

Not a chance - the fact that Gizmodo has now published that they know who it belongs to would absolutely destroy that defense (even if they could have gotten away with it earlier).

Trafficking stolen goods? Hardly. As far as the original finder is concerned, it was abandoned property. Sure, they should've reported it to the police to give Apple a chance to reclaim it, but it's not stolen. That's like saying you stole the $5 bill you found on the street.

Nonsense. The 'finder' knew that it was a valuable device and is obligated under common law to make an effort to find the owner. Now that it's clear that they knew who the owner was and they did not attempt to return it, they are guilty of theft.

My take on the whole thing, this is a Gizmodo joke and the phone is a fake. There are too many holes in the story and the product.

-They say they can get to the "connect to itunes" screen, but take no pics of it.
-They say it has been remote wiped, but that shouldnt stop it powering on.
-They got the phone a few weeks ago, did they get it April 1st by chance?
-No way Apple would let a low level programmer walk around with a prototype. All the other Apple products have been physically locked down to desks (remember the leaked iPad image)
- The internal shots can be easily faked. Gut a 3gs and stick the innards in a new case. Simple
-Johnny Ive says its a joke on Twitter.
-Gizmodo have (had) a good relationship with Apple, they have products at their doors the morning of the keynotes, we know this because they post reviews just as the keynotes end. Are they really going to end this relationship for a few days of hits? Commercially thats a suicide note.

A few more things that don't make sense:
It never occurs to Gizmodo to publish the ID of any of the chips inside. Lots of people are interested in which CPU will be used. More importantly, the choice of wireless chip might give some clues on the "verizon / no verizong" issue.
 
Dont you have to turn on mobile me find my phone on the phone...so it may not have been set up to be found.
 
There is nothing that would make me happier than if all this was the most clever PR stunt in the history of the world. I'm beginning to believe it is. There is a great post in the Giz comments to this story that outlines why, so I'm not going to repeat it.

What I would like to say is that the Giz article itself explains that software and hardware engineers on a typical "top secret" Apple project like the next iPhone do not have access to each other's work until the product is announced.

The key, then, is that this guy who "lost" this "iPhone" is a software engineer. Simple logic then: He would not have access to the new hardware.

So I'm not sure why everyone thinks that this is the new hardware. Sure, the new software could have been on the phone, but we all know it was bricked before anyone got access to that. Apple does not appear to be that interested in getting it back, otherwise I'm sure an army of lawyers would have shown up at Giz today.

So I'm calling it a software development mule. One that was remotely bricked. One that does NOT contain the new hardware. Perhaps some of the hardware features like dual cameras, larger battery, different screen, etc. are indicative of the features of the next iPhone. But, do I believe the design will be the same as this phone? Hell no.

--mAc
 
Given that their phones are GPS enabled, its not a hard stretch of the imagination that a TOP SECRETE PROTOTYPE wouldn't be calling home all the time to tell Steve where his newest baby was.

They did "brick" the dam thing... so I think they could of tracked it.

Yeah makes me wonder, maybe they cared more about preventing someone access to the software on the phone than the hardware? It's like "**** they already got the hardware lets brick it and prevent them from getting the software"
 
Not sure that is how it works. The length of time varies, and there are some caveats for them. Some places you have to make an effort to find the owner, or in a lot of places, the police would have to maintain custody of it, and if not claimed after a certain period of time it would be turned back to the finder.

No place that I know of in the US do you just take someone else's property from a restaurant/bar/business/store and keep it, and get to keep it and then just say, oh well must be mine now since nobody tracked me down.

There are only 3 legal things he could have done with the phone, and only two legal outcomes.

He could have turned the phone over to the place he found it.

He could have turned the phone into the local police.

He could have tried to contact the person who lost the phone, but failing to do that, then would have to do one of the above two things.

There is no legal outcome where he just takes the phone and keeps it, that I know of, not even if he hires a skywriter and sets up a web page.

Correct. It was left in a bar. It must stay at the bar. If it was left on your couch at a party, it must stay at your house. Ownership transfers, eventually, as detailed in state law (which always entails reasonable attempts to find the owner).

That is all if it stayed in the bar, or stayed in your house.

If you find it at the bar and take it home with you, it is never legally going to be yours. You have committed the crime of theft by conversion. Your story is over, and this is the ending. Now, if you bring it back to the bar or to the police the next day and say "Hey, I found this and picked it up, now I'm turning it in. I didn't do it last night, I was too drunk and I forgot"--then you're going to be okay. If you knew it wasn't yours, you removed it from where it was left by the owner, and you knew who it belonged to but sold it to someone else instead a few days later? There could not possibly be a more clear-cut case. Knowing who it belonged to and that it was mislaid just now--rather than it just being something that could plausibly seem "abandoned"--makes a very good case for your intent, and moves it from a civil matter of restitution to a felony.
 
Given that their phones are GPS enabled, its not a hard stretch of the imagination that a TOP SECRETE PROTOTYPE wouldn't be calling home all the time to tell Steve where his newest baby was.

They did "brick" the dam thing... so I think they could of tracked it.

Well it has been mentioned that it was running OS 4. The phone was lost March 18th, a little less than a month before OS 4's announcement. I assume they bricked the device so whoever found it wouldn't discover the new OS. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.
 
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