Claimed iPhone 12 Box Insert Design Suggests No Included EarPods or Power Adapter

[keatth]

Looks like its for a charging puck

 

[Marekul]

I’ve literally never had an Apple charger or headphones break. In fact, mine still works from my original iPhone and the iPhone works too.

Apple knows how long they last far better than either of our anecdotal stories and if they indeed don’t include, Apple is confident in their analysis of data we don’t have. Remember, the strategy always confirms the truth...just like getting rid of headphone jack. No one cared, despite the outcry.

This move makes a ton of sense as the iPhone and power bricks become more common. I don’t need one.

Your statement is almost comical for someone who has literally 100 of anectodes of apple chargers failing at the exact same points after around 2/3 years of use. for more than a decade. Let me guess, you own AAPL?

 

[Wanted797]

Seems the calculation is the same, no? Using renewable electricity to run the plant, using electric vehicles to ship the product?

And, as you say, we're moving to renewables slowly. So a significant fraction of the power you're consuming is still fossil fuel based, or blocking a river somewhere.

And, given how many people here complain about the 5W chargers when they want the new fast chargers, what will the upgrade rate in charging technology be? Let's say you keep your wireless charger twice as long as you keep your wired one-- they're larger, more complex and heavier than the plug-in-the-wall kind, so they're probably more damaging to build. Are they less than twice as bad for the environment?

I agree it'll be a complex calculation-- which I think is what would make it interesting to see. I guess I didn't respond to your post because I disagree with what you're saying, the logic you lay out is reasonable. It's counter to my intuition though-- I don't think of wireless charging as "eco-friendly", I think of it as convenient. And it's really rare that the more convenient thing is also better for us. I was just wondering if anyone actually knows how the the numbers work out.

Ok, nobody knows, but maybe someone's taken a stab at estimating.

Renewable energy power generation has a higher uptake rate than electric trucks. Let alone electric planes or constrained ships.

Im in Australia where 7.6% of the population has solar on their house. Electric cars wouldn’t even be close.
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I could be wrong, so please someone correct me if I am: USB-A v3 specifies a maximum power delivery at 4.5W. Now that iPhones support fast charging at higher wattage, you need to move to USB-C which is spec'd to allow up to 29W though iPhone 11 is conservatively capped at 18W. Thus it makes sense that you get a USB-C cable to enable fast charge.

iPads have come with USB A 10w and 12w adapters in the past that act as fast charging for iPhones. So I don’t think that is correct.

 

[Doomtomb]

It's in the name of going Green 🦚🌳🌴💸💸💸

 

[nylonsteel]

make a coupon of the insert
take the tray to local coffee shop for free touchless coffee and mini chocolate bar

 

[Baymowe335]

Your statement is almost comical for someone who has literally 100 of anectodes of apple chargers failing at the exact same points after around 2/3 years of use. for more than a decade. Let me guess, you own AAPL?

LOL! A whole 100?

 

[Mac_MD-PhD]

I am glad to see that a majority of the Mac Rumors community is calling out Apple on this. I have seen fanboys on other clock themed websites praising apple for this decision due to "environmental concerns." I have this to ask them, if Apple is so committed to the environment then why does Apple not support Right to Repair?

 

[Mayo86]

How will you know whether the price of the phone you're interested in was discounted by the cost of the charger or not? What if it was, but the price stays the same or even goes up because of extra cost from other hardware added to the phone? You're setting yourself up for disappointment and outrage with an impossible-to-measure yardstick.

While that is fair to consider the internals and a slight modification of the housing has changed, a processor boost and say extra RAM should come at no extra cost given historical patterns of increasing performance in their phones. This isn’t a “computer” where you can choose your own specification aside from storage (and the included RAM tiers depending on the storage levels).

 

[Wiesenlooser]

You found something specific you searched for? Amazing! Googling something doesn't make it widespread enough to matter, my guy. Again, Apple has mountains of data to support the decision.

You could find 10,000 incidents of it and it would be a minuscule number. You people need a lesson in anecdotal versus empirical data.

Oh wow, if you are so mighty smart about anecdotal data, why was your first reaction your own anecdotal data, which, by definition, is even less of a reliable source?

You are basing your argument on the premise that a) Apple makes no mistakes and b) Apple always acts benevolent. I am not willing to blindly accept either of those given that they have been shipping laptops for years with a keyboard that people hated (macbook) or with a remote people hate (Apple TV).

And they are not necessarily evil corp, but they have pulled quite a number of nickle and dime practices over the last years (just remember the meagre entry-level storage options or the ridiculous 5GB free iCloud tier).\

Oh and it is not purely anecdotal, but there are a number of design decisions that lead to apple's headphones / cables being prone to breaking, such as the exposed contacts on the lightning plug, as well as the overall thinness of their cables.

 

[Puonti]

While that is fair to consider the internals and a slight modification of the housing has changed, a processor boost and say extra RAM should come at no extra cost given historical patterns of increasing performance in their phones. This isn’t a “computer” where you can choose your own specification aside from storage (and the included RAM tiers depending on the storage levels).

Larger screen size and resolution would mean an increase in component price. A LiDAR scanner, too. Higher megapixel cameras, and / or more of them. Next gen Face ID tech. 5G antenna and chipset. I'm not saying all of the upcoming iPhone 12 variants will have all or any of these, but there's plenty Apple can add beyond better processors, GPUs and more memory.

At the same time, a charger and wired earbuds aren't exactly a big expense for Apple on a unit level. They don't need to add all of the above to a phone to cover the savings from not shipping these add-ons with it. It's highly likely that some of the new features cost a lot more to include, so even keeping the same price points would be a win.

Edit: in fact, now there's this just out:

Analyst Believes iPhone 12 Pricing Will Start $50 Higher Even Without EarPods or Charger in Box

Despite multiple reports indicating that Apple will not include EarPods or a wall charger with iPhone 12 models this year, one analyst believes that pricing will still increase slightly compared to the iPhone 11 lineup. In a research note provided to MacRumors, analyst Jeff Pu forecasted that...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[31 Flavas]

Not a big deal for most but really sucks for the few that are buying this as their first phone.

If they're literally just emerging from an Amish society and therefor missed the past two decades of electronics (build up of USB powered devices) -- then they need to spend the $25 on the 40 watt 4-port USB charger from Anker. As (not just from Apple) they're going to be accumulating other "chargerless" USB powered electronics. They'll appreciate being able to charge multiple devices at once, as well as, also appreciate that it provides faster charging over Apple's 5W trickle charger.

Given that the price of the phone isn't going to reflect the missing adapter, this is going to probably save Apple a ton of money.

You know the iPhone 11 was priced $50 less the the iPhone 10r, right? You'd have to be living under a rock to not have heard the rumors of the 4 phone line up of the iPhone 12 with the 5.4" starting at $650.

 

[toph2toast]

Weird, my 2020 Renegade has two USB-A ports.

That is weird but not surprised. My has 1 USB-C and 1 USB-A. My wife's 2020 Grand Cherokee is the same as your renegade.

 

[Mactendo]

Just a power bank. What'd it look like?

Can you share the brand/model name of that power bank?

 

[I7guy]

Your statement is almost comical for someone who has literally 100 of anectodes of apple chargers failing at the exact same points after around 2/3 years of use. for more than a decade. Let me guess, you own AAPL?

My chargers, headphones and cables have not failed either. And I have some going back 9 years? Do I own AAPL?

 

[AngerDanger]

Can you share the brand/model name of that power bank?

It's a Sinoele powerbank, model Jade, I guess.

 

[compwiz1202]

3) Battery capacity (active use time) trumps charging speed
4) Wireless charging, until current speed and efficiency technology improves, is not a truly viable option except for overnight docking

These I definitely agree with most, especially 4 for Apple. When are they getting into the 21st century with at least double their crappy 7.5W wireless? Doesn't have to be 40+}, but at least up it all since whenever they went to 7.5.
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even if it's not included in the box, you can still purchase whatever you need separately. so you'll be fine and we'll spare ourself a ton of waste.

I don't understand why it's so hard to get this fact straight: you can purchase a charger (and a cable) separately if you need one, no one is stopping you.

everyone is complaining about how Apple is greedy, but for me it's clear that at the end of the day, we all, the consumers, are the greedy bastards consuming our planets ressources for stuff we don't need.

I'm not different, I'm also a stupid consumer, so I'm glad that this huge manufacturer take decisions who can help me being it a little less...

I'm more worried about the laypeople. Is this going to be made abundantly clear that you won't a charger? I doubt there will be ads that they are removing something you've gotten for over a decade.

 

[I7guy]

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I'm more worried about the laypeople. Is this going to be made abundantly clear that you won't a charger? I doubt there will be ads that they are removing something you've gotten for over a decade.

Samsung and Apple are in the same soup. Samsung even more so, as they have had sales and give-a-ways with their phones. People will eventually get used to it. And hopefully Apple has thought through the situation with new iphone users.

 

[Mactendo]

It's a Sinoele powerbank, model Jade, I guess.

Thanks a lot.