So now you're suggesting I wait until 2018?
I figure I'll have a better idea once the new phones actually DO release and I can see what we have.
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So now you're suggesting I wait until 2018?
I figure I'll have a better idea once the new phones actually DO release and I can see what we have.
Oh heck no! I'm not waiting another two years myself. I'm downsizing from my lagging, buggy 6Plus to the 6S. The only thing that concerns me is that Apple might release a 6C that would be smaller than the 6S and closer to my ideal phone size.So now you're suggesting I wait until 2018?
I figure I'll have a better idea once the new phones actually DO release and I can see what we have.
I have to upgrade through AT&T Next. They were super slow in getting the 6's out to those of us who preordered. So this time I'm waiting until the S phones have been released to the AT&T stores. Maybe the delay will give the rumor mill a chance to get churning about any possible 4" iPhones that Apple may be planning. That would be the factor that would cause me to wait.
That's a great idea. Perhaps I'll wait a bit as well. I really love the 4".
I can't go back to a smaller phone, now. When I help relatives with their old phones, I can't believe I could ever use a screen so small. 5/5s feels like a postage stamp. 4/4S is just inconceivable, much less the 3 series. I don't know how I got by.
Actually, I'm waiting for the day these things get lighter. The 6 Plus is a good size (I do agree, moving the Sleep/Wake button wasn't a good idea), and I don't care how thick it is, obviously the bigger it gets, the thinner they make it, the easier it will be to get my hand around the thing - but the big deal is how heavy it is.
The weight is what actually makes it cumbersome. Lighter and stronger sounds like highly specialised materials, not readily available if you're making 50 million units, but I live in hope.
The glass seems heavy, too. Perhaps as a consequence of failed/delayed/attempted sapphire glass, the 6 line may have been lumbered with a substitute, which feels nice, but unduly adds weight. I'm hoping Apple has a priority to get the glass lighter and thinner.
Not that I think any of this will come to the 6s line. External form factor seems fixed for 2 years, (barring the 4 antennae design changes, which was a matter of priority and barely noticeable).
Rumours that Force Touch would make the phone thicker don't impress. Sounds like another compromise. Force Touch itself is a symptom of Apple having lost its (interface) way. I have a MacBook and Force Touch is maddening, clunky, not ready for prime time, as they say.
The wild west of the interface just has to be tamed, too. There seems to be too many Windows-heritage developers at Apple, not used to the discipline of the Mac bible, the Human Interface Guidelines. The influx of developers due to the popularity of the iPhone brought a lot of sloppy interface design from the Windows world to third-party iPhone apps and I just don't see why Apple hasn't stomped on this. It's not stifling creativity and innovation, it's creating a standard for interaction that makes the user experience intuitive and renders user guides and instructions unnecessary.
And this is where I fear the rot is endemic to Apple. The influx of undisciplined developers happened inside Apple, too. Nobody believes there should be a HIG, because too many of the current team don't understand the reason for it. This is the most serious issue Apple faces, even more serious than the philosophy of 'if it doesn't work but it doesn't cause a crash, then we don't need to fix it', which just isn't the standard that built Apple's reputation. (Marco Arment and his ilk rightly made a fuss about this and the effectiveness of the yearly update cycle, as practised.)
I had hoped that putting Ive in charge of software design would fix this, but things have gotten worse. It seems he's responsible for the look, but others are in charge of the behaviour. I wished that Ive would re-establish the HIG, with his concern for usability, but I don't see that happening. Even less so now he's moving away from product design and concerned with buildings and stores. Those are important, but I really think that's a misuse of Ive's talents, even if that's where his interest is going. Apple exists because of the Products it makes. There's no point giving Ive other responsibilities to keep him in the company if that doesn't improve Apple's products. There just doesn't seem to be anyone to replace Ive with the golden ability to say NO.
Sadly, Cook is mostly managing succession, while trying to raise Apple to even greater heights. Almost all of the executives that have been with Apple for a long time are realising they could have a life and don't have to kill themselves for Apple forever. Cook is doing a good job, and Ive is the toughest succession to cover, but that's no excuse for not having a modern HIG to bring 'intuitive' back to iPhone, because it's not now. iMore is making a killing trying to explain the disaster that is software design at Apple.
The HIG is the one thing that Jobs failed to institutionalise at Apple. I don't think Jobs understood the HIG either. He didn't want arrow keys on the keyboard or keyboard shortcuts, and I suspect the HIG was one of those 'OK, just do it and stop bothering me about it' annoyances he didn't want to be concerned with. He failed to see how important the HIG was to Apple's reputation and quality. Institutionalised indiscipline is the cause of the tangled mess that is Apple's Services. Focussing on user experience without the discipline of an engineering 'big picture' has made Services vulnerable to every good idea someone important has, with no one to say NO to the things that don't fit Guidelines. Ive may have learnt to say NO to things from Jobs, but the company as a whole needs to work much harder at saying NO and institutionalising that!
So, iPhone 6s… is a good place to fix the software, since there's likely little change to hardware.
No, I don't really think Force Touch is ready for iPhone, yet. I'm happy there's no sign of it in these alleged leaks. Thinner/lighter glass would be nice, but I think that's next year. I'd rather see Apple fix software and services for 6s series phones.
No, I don't think Services has a way out of the forrest, much less any hope of achieving it. I don't use Apple Music and iTunes and the app on my iPhone are still messing with my CD collection, changing artwork, and so on.
Actually, I'm waiting for the day these things get lighter. The 6 Plus is a good size (I do agree, moving the Sleep/Wake button wasn't a good idea), and I don't care how thick it is, obviously the bigger it gets, the thinner they make it, the easier it will be to get my hand around the thing - but the big deal is how heavy it is.
The weight is what actually makes it cumbersome. Lighter and stronger sounds like highly specialised materials, not readily available if you're making 50 million units, but I live in hope.
The glass seems heavy, too. Perhaps as a consequence of failed/delayed/attempted sapphire glass, the 6 line may have been lumbered with a substitute, which feels nice, but unduly adds weight. I'm hoping Apple has a priority to get the glass lighter and thinner.
I admit, I love the feel of the glass on the 6/6 Plus, it makes you WANT to touch it all the time. Quite sensual. Same with MacBook - it feels so nice, I'd rather use it than the iMac when I'm at home.
Not that I think any of this will come to the 6s line. External form factor seems fixed for 2 years, (barring the 4 antennae design changes, which was a matter of priority and barely noticeable).
Rumours that Force Touch would make the phone thicker don't impress. Sounds like another compromise. Force Touch itself is a symptom of Apple having lost its (interface) way. I have a MacBook and Force Touch is maddening, clunky, not ready for prime time, as they say.
The wild west of the interface just has to be tamed, too. There seems to be too many Windows-heritage developers at Apple, not used to the discipline of the Mac bible, the Human Interface Guidelines. The influx of developers due to the popularity of the iPhone brought a lot of sloppy interface design from the Windows world to third-party iPhone apps and I just don't see why Apple hasn't stomped on this. It's not stifling creativity and innovation, it's creating a standard for interaction that makes the user experience intuitive and renders user guides and instructions unnecessary.
And this is where I fear the rot is endemic to Apple. The influx of undisciplined developers happened inside Apple, too. Nobody believes there should be a HIG, because too many of the current team don't understand the reason for it. This is the most serious issue Apple faces, even more serious than the philosophy of 'if it doesn't work but it doesn't cause a crash, then we don't need to fix it', which just isn't the standard that built Apple's reputation. (Marco Arment and his ilk rightly made a fuss about this and the effectiveness of the yearly update cycle, as practised.)
I had hoped that putting Ive in charge of software design would fix this, but things have gotten worse. It seems he's responsible for the look, but others are in charge of the behaviour. I wished that Ive would re-establish the HIG, with his concern for usability, but I don't see that happening. Even less so now he's moving away from product design and concerned with buildings and stores. Those are important, but I really think that's a misuse of Ive's talents, even if that's where his interest is going. Apple exists because of the Products it makes. There's no point giving Ive other responsibilities to keep him in the company if that doesn't improve Apple's products. There just doesn't seem to be anyone to replace Ive with the golden ability to say NO.
Sadly, Cook is mostly managing succession, while trying to raise Apple to even greater heights. Almost all of the executives that have been with Apple for a long time are realising they could have a life and don't have to kill themselves for Apple forever. Cook is doing a good job, and Ive is the toughest succession to cover, but that's no excuse for not having a modern HIG to bring 'intuitive' back to iPhone, because it's not now. iMore is making a killing trying to explain the disaster that is software design at Apple.
The HIG is the one thing that Jobs failed to institutionalise at Apple. I don't think Jobs understood the HIG either. He didn't want arrow keys on the keyboard or keyboard shortcuts, and I suspect the HIG was one of those 'OK, just do it and stop bothering me about it' annoyances he didn't want to be concerned with. He failed to see how important the HIG was to Apple's reputation and quality. Institutionalised indiscipline is the cause of the tangled mess that is Apple's Services. Focussing on user experience without the discipline of an engineering 'big picture' has made Services vulnerable to every good idea someone important has, with no one to say NO to the things that don't fit Guidelines. Ive may have learnt to say NO to things from Jobs, but the company as a whole needs to work much harder at saying NO and institutionalising that!
So, iPhone 6s… is a good place to fix the software, since there's likely little change to hardware.
No, I don't really think Force Touch is ready for iPhone, yet. I'm happy there's no sign of it in these alleged leaks. Thinner/lighter glass would be nice, but I think that's next year. I'd rather see Apple fix software and services for 6s series phones.
No, I don't think Services has a way out of the forrest, much less any hope of achieving it. I don't use Apple Music and iTunes and the app on my iPhone are still messing with my CD collection, changing artwork, and so on.
You've brought up so many worthy discussion points. Let me start off with the glass. It's an Achilles heel. I've never shattered a screen on an iPhone until I got my 6plus. That's because it's a lot of glass spread thin over a large surface area. And because it is heavy the phone does tend to land face first onto the floor in free fall. If I were heading up the redesign of the iPhone I would be investigating flexible polymer displays. See this: http://www.oled-info.com/flexible-oled
People want sapphire because they are concerned with scratch resistance. And that's an important concern. But when I was at the store submitting my phone for repair, and then later picking it up, there were several people each time coming in with shattered iPhone screens. So I think flexibility and shatter resistance should be a key goal. Especially if we will be pressing down to activate force touch. A polymer would be lighter than glass. There might also be the option to polish or resurface certain polymers to remove scratches, as they do with windshields.
If the display is flexible enough we could return to a clamshell design that is easier to pocket, especially if it is thin. So people like me and Benjamin Frost could get the easily pocketed phones we miss, and folks like you could get the screen real estate you need. I'd still want a smaller phone for easier one handed use, though. I admit a folding phone with a bendable screen looks odd. I think Samsung had a prototype tablet phone. http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...s-a-folding-phone-to-tablet-prototype-1197384
HIG definitely is missing from Apple. The watch interface is usable but not intuitive. The phone interface is something I still haven't fully cracked in two years. Meaning I am still discovering non intuitive swipes and shakes and shortcuts. Like shake to undo typing--what the hell? If my husband hadn't told me about that, it never would have occurred to me to shake my iPhone or iPad like a dammed rattle to undo typing. That's actually a good way to drop the slippery Devils.
At this point it would not surprise me to discover doing the Macarena while wearing my Apple Watch will activate a death ray.
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I'm just waiting for it to be announced - I'm not overly fussed about new features so if it's got nothing worth shouting about i'll buy a 6.
I'm literally just waiting to see if the cost of the 6 will go down once announced as i'm on a 32gb 5s at the moment and i want a 128gb phone now.
Tried apple streaming but data is expensive in the UK or it's unlimited but awful which again defeats the point.
Tried using the wifi at the gym and at work but it takes too long to buffer so i need a bigger flash drive.
Just waiting now as i'm getting sick of having to remove an add music i want.
I'm literally just waiting to see if the cost of the 6 will go down once announced as i'm on a 32gb 5s at the moment and i want a 128gb phone now.
Tried apple streaming but data is expensive in the UK or it's unlimited but awful which again defeats the point.
Tried using the wifi at the gym and at work but it takes too long to buffer so i need a bigger flash drive.
Just waiting now as i'm getting sick of having to remove an add music i want.
What features do you value? Whatever they are, make sure they won't be negatively impacted by having only 1GB of memory if you go with a 6.
I've had problems with my 6Plus lagging. It lags when i try to activate the camera, which often freezes. It lags when I switch from portrait to landscape mode and back. There are also refresh issues on my iPhone and my iPad mini retina. With my mini I definitely can feel the 1GB memory hurting my web surfing. It didn't used to but it's been about three years now and things change.
With the S series I'm hoping to future proof my iPhone at least a full year by getting the rumored 2GB memory. I'm really sick and tired of paying premium prices for yesterday's specs. I could kick myself for buying the 6plus. I should have held onto my 5s and waited for the S series of the 6.
Apple was really showing some old fashioned corporate stinginess in offering only 1GB of memory for their flagship new models and in making 16 GB storage their starting point.
My sister-in-law got a 16gb iPhone 6 Plus. She is not tech savvy and didn't understand the implications such small storage would have on her use case. She doesn't have many apps loaded and barely any music (her playlist is probably 12 songs altogether) but she really struggles now. Her phone is barely functional. We can't even send her texts because they often don't get to her. She can barely delete photos and content fast enough to keep open enough space so that her phone will function normally.
Apple can't sell a device that's meant to be more than just a cell phone and that encourages app use and media consumption and then cripple it with minimal minimum storage but they do.
Ram and storage is the main stuff for me. My 5s works fine for me, I use it for a few apps, music and some photos. That's pretty much it. I just want a lot more storage now. Holding off on buying a new iPad as well to see if they refresh in September
It seemed crazy at the time, but I bought a 64gb iPhone 5 three years ago, and it has really been worth it. Other than the battery issues, and lag when it come to internet loading (not email, but Safari, FB), it's really still a fine little phone. I don't even have that much on it (IMO), but it's easily close to 40 gb.
Samsung also just applied for a patent on a smaller, more-or-less clamshell folding phone. Folded, it looks about the same size as a thick wallet:
Note that folding devices at this time require a decent sized fold radius to prevent circuit creases that damage the display fairly quickly. That's why it's doesn't fold sharply in half, but instead is more gently curved closed. This is the secret to longer-lived folding displays.
Ha!
Of course, as more and more people become smartphone savvy, there'll be more customization allowed by Apple, along with yeah "secret" menus.
For instance, their recent "force touch" feature. Now, IF Apple uses it as a shortcut to actions that newbies rarely use, then it's fine. However, if it's the ONLY way to do something, especially something common, then it's a mistake, IMO. Nothing like having to press hard on every screen hoping to find a secret menu.
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Oh wow, so much for the slam that Samsung can only copy and not innovate. I want that! Too bad I don't want the Android OS because I don't want to deal with updates going through carriers at a glacial pace, among other things that keep me from Android at present.
Really though a device with this form would solve a lot of problems and complaints I have with a large screened phone. Sorry that sentence doesn't look grammatically correct but I've got a migraine starting.
I agree with what you said about the UI. I think Apple will tread carefully and not go too far off the deep end with cute secret menus that cover crucial functions. Though their UI decisions for their various products lately haven't inspired a lot of confidence, I think they are going to turn the corner and settle down and organize and optimize their resources and do better on future UI upgrades. The past year has seen them continue to adjust to Steve being gone, and taking on new geographical markets and new product markets. Expansions are rarely smooth or easy. I've been through that at the company where I used to work. My husband goes through it at his company as they grow.