25 a month for the phone (In Europe it's way more expensive for less than €40 a month no carrier will give me a new IPhone) and after that you have the additional costs. And yes it's made up by the market your phone only lasts for 2 years, just to sell more devices.....
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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
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25 a month for the phone (In Europe it's way more expensive for less than €40 a month no carrier will give me a new IPhone) and after that you have the additional costs. And yes it's made up by the market your phone only lasts for 2 years, just to sell more devices.....
Upgrade already!
I started out with Android and found that security updates were far and few between if at all. Which is why I switched to IOS. Updates are a fact of life, and I like that Apple maintains their OS's. There may be imperfections, but I'm happy to get them. I know they'll try to fix problems
I started out with Android and found that security updates were far and few between if at all. Which is why I switched to IOS. Updates are a fact of life, and I like that Apple maintains their OS's. There may be imperfections, but I'm happy to get them. I know they'll try to fix problems
- Apple have to allow to downgrade/restore IOS to factory version (the one you are facing after unboxing)
- cheers for brave Americans to bring the issue higher than forums
- cheers for brave Americans to bring the issue higher than forums
No it didn’t. It was slower with a little more lag. Maybe not a train crash stiuation but it did not run perfectly. Don’t deny it.
Yes. You can install whatever OS you like.
With iOS once you upgrade, you can never go back, apple forces you to stay on the most current signed version.
I understand the feel that they need to do that, but what law requires them to? If it is stated in the license of the software that they can withdraw it at any time. They have no obligation at all to let you downgrade to previous IOS versions. You've agreed to the terms.
In some countries, which may have stricter consumer laws, you could argue that the license is invalid due to it breaking laws. But I'm not sure that is true in the US, as I feel it you can almost get away with anything as long as it is mentioned in the license.
Can you really without buying a new serial key? Doesn't the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 update convert your old Windows 7 serial key to a Windows 10 key and the Windows 7 key will be invalid after a while?
That is how I understood it when I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10, that after the grace period of 1 month the Windows 8.1 serial is no longer valid and you are more or less forced to stay with Windows 10 or buy a windows 8.1 license
Perhaps it's not about affording pehaps people just don't want to throw away a functional phone. Do you replace your kitchen appliances, TV's, washer and drier etc. when a new version comes out?
As of right now the agreements state that software updates may be required to maintain access to services, to include things like FT, iMessage, iTunes, iCloud, etc.
With all the complaints, I am surprised no one is lobbying for it. Some states have enhanced consumer laws, but for the most part, Apple owes you little-to-no free software support and absolutely has no liability for the product after a year. Apple may come into agreement for a repair/service, but often these agreements require a payment for service (either for the phone support or the repair). This is perfectly acceptable for businesses in the US. As an example, Apple provides 90 days of free software support limited to that product.. Microsoft offers only a few incidents per paid license.
With all the complaints, I am surprised no one is lobbying for it. Some states have enhanced consumer laws, but for the most part, Apple owes you little-to-no free software support and absolutely has no liability for the product after a year. Apple may come into agreement for a repair/service, but often these agreements require a payment for service (either for the phone support or the repair). This is perfectly acceptable for businesses in the US. As an example, Apple provides 90 days of free software support limited to that product.. Microsoft offers only a few incidents per paid license.
I only speak from experience of still owing a 4S, it's crap with iOS 9. If it was my only phone, I'd be forced to upgrade.
Sadly planned obsolescence seems to be part of the product lifecycle at apple these days. If you don't like it, stop buying the products.
Though this lawsuit, while they will probably loose, will force apple to respond , interested in at.
If this lawsuit were to lead to apple offering a rollback process for iOS to the previous version, that is a win for everyone.
Sadly planned obsolescence seems to be part of the product lifecycle at apple these days. If you don't like it, stop buying the products.
Though this lawsuit, while they will probably loose, will force apple to respond , interested in at.
If this lawsuit were to lead to apple offering a rollback process for iOS to the previous version, that is a win for everyone.
Here is an idea, forget believing, and get your hands on a 4S and comeback and tell us how awesome the experience is.
It's simple, iPhone work great with the iOS version +1 that the device shipped with.
I live in Sweden and here we have 3 years right to get factory hardware errors fixed without cost. The difference from the warranty is that you after an initial 6 month need to prove you didn't cause the error by using the product in the wrong way (which makes the glued MacBooks wonderful as there is no possible way for you to brake them without it being apparent).
This is non-negotiable and any licenses or agreements that tries to avoid this is unacceptable by law. We also have the right to get a refund or reship if during those 3 years one encounters the same hardware fault for more than 3 times. that is, if the manufacturer haven't been able to fix the problem in 3 tries, you have the right to a new product or a refund, if the product is no longer available you can get an equivalent product.
I'm baffled by the US consumer laws which seems to allow the companies to get away with almost anything.
From what I understand, the product key is not invalidated or manipulated after that. It is still valid for reinstalling Windows 7. It is just after 30 days, you need to find your own way to do the recovery. From my experience, the "downgrader" has as many issues as one could expect from that; so a reinstall might not be a bad pathway anyway. I guess a test of this would be to run your product key at
That is pretty awesome. The warranty in the US is pretty much based on the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act of 1975 (yes, 1975!). But it is very limited. Apple never guarantees us on how long their devices should last; therefore, what is the reasonable timeframe for them to last before being replaced? *shrug* Warranty will not help a consumer here in the US. If a TV that costs $10,000 dies after one year; if there is no statement by the manufacturer advertising the device will last longer, you're stuck with it. That's why most of these cases go down the fraud avenue. There's no consumer law claim. If there was, the device would have already been replaced/repaired.
You can do a clean install anytime with the original media / product key. The product key stays as the original with optional upgrade to 10.
You have 1 month to roll back via Windows 10 .
There a number of hacks that allow you to rollback after a month
Failing all that, clean install brings you back to 7 or 8.1
Microsoft does not force you down a one way journey . Underlying issue is, does one want a smooth downgrade or happy with a clean install.
To be honest, one month would be plenty of time to realise the performance was rubbish and rollback.
I stop at 2 version updates. That's the sweet spot I have found. My 5 is working well with ios8. I definitely would get annoyed if it was any slower and that's exactly what ios9 would do to it.
Oh Please! Stop making sense now because this will just be another nonsense in the eyes of Fanboys and all the lovely Apple Share Holders we've got here.
Im looking at my keyboard in bewilderment of what to write on reading another stupifying example of 'I'm going to sue...' I think I might sue Apple because my iPad won't predict what I'd like to write in reply, it makes just as much sense. Can someone in America find me a lawyer who will represent my case? It shouldn't be too hard.
"James, same thing as every year."
Well apple should tell them they should do an factory reset, and the reconfigure their iDevice, that should solve at least halve of the prolem. This should be donne with device of moste mobile handset from all vendors, after an os upgrade at least every second upgrade.
Well second I would expect de plaintifs to have a red dot with a high number on their devices app store. Wich tells all about them.
A direct quote for you, (after this you can edit the highlighted text in your original post?)……..
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iOS 9 is really not that that much different form iOS 8. I mean they added a back button, they added a list of apps and contacts you might want, etc. Why does it have to cripple older devices? Apple has always denied features of updates to devices that can't handle them (spilt screen on iPad). Call me crazy, but I'd rather they withhold whatever new features are making my older device so slow. That way, we get security, they get to say almost all iOS devices are up to date, and we get our devices....
Read the actual lawsuit and read the below section I have highlighted. Owning a 4s is a great practical demonstration.
http://www.apple.com/uk/ios/whats-new/
Engineered to perform. At every level.
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