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So far, no x.0 release *ever* focuses on stability and optimization, least of all iOS 9.0 !

Until last fall 2014, Apple was still selling the iPhone 4S, with just 8GB of all sizes and people are still paying it off on their 2 year plans right now. Coerced (mandatory if you want Genius service) upgrades have diminished usability of a phone still used by millions of people.

Only smug elitists would tell them to "just upgrade your phone". People might, if those devices would only cost $100, but
$500-$1200 upfront or thru a plan certainly justifies those users to complain about an unnecessary high depreciation rate as well as impeded functionalities.

Imagine car manufacturers updating vehicles' software every few months to the point that 1 year later, it accelerates less fast, guzzles more gas and every time it goes in for service, the sales guy comes over and tries to sell you the latest model for a $50 trade-in discount.

smh
Macrumor's article: iOS 9 to Focus Heavily on Stability and Optimization
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-9-to-focus-heavily-on-stability-and-optimization.1845435/
 
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You're comparing a 2014 phone to one released 5 years ago? Really? I have an old Galaxy s2 hd with countless vulnerabilities. Good luck finding Lollipop ROM for it (let alone Marshmallow)

At least the 4S (a 4 year phone) is still getting one-click-update, and people still complain.

Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...ogenmod-13-t3223808/post63267016#post63267016

Marshmallow ROM..note this is in alpha build... So wait for the final build. It will come

And here is the lollipop ROM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../rom-cyanogenmod-12-1-nightly-builds-t3147661

It isn't hard to find ROM for S2...

As official update, this is where Android get smart. When you providing official update, you either make it work or not. Apple is just providing you an half baked update that crippled iPhone 4S. It take forever for everything you do. I have iPhone 4S and I just don't touch it at all. It is like Apple provided an crippled update that force you uograde, because it is slow as hell.
 
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Finally! I hate getting an "Update to iOS 9" message on my iPhone every damn week, with the potential threat that if I accidentally click "Continue", it will permanently mess up my phone forever, with no possible option to downgrade. Why the hell can you not downgrade? Just offer users the option to downgrade. Seriously Apple deserves a huge ass fine for this. There is no trial, no way to see if you like it, and if you install it, it's on your phone forever.

Or there should be a message saying "Warning: Installing this software will make your phone permanently unusable. Please ensure you can afford a new phone before upgrading". That would be honest at least.

You buy an awesome phone once, why does become a piece of crap after 3 years? What if you're totally happy with the way it is? You should be able to officially keep your iOS version if you want. While you can avoid upgrading, if your phone's iOS needs to be reinstalled or if your phone needs to be repaired for whatever reason, you'll be upgraded to the newest iOS. If you accidentally clicked "Continue" when the nag message comes up, you're screwed, your phone is officially permanently unusable.

Apple should simply keep signing iOS. There is no logical reason for them to stop signing it other than screwing people over with planned obsolescence.
 
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...ogenmod-13-t3223808/post63267016#post63267016

Marshmallow ROM..note this is in alpha build... So wait for the final build. It will come

And here is the lollipop ROM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../rom-cyanogenmod-12-1-nightly-builds-t3147661

It isn't hard to find ROM for S2...

As official update, this is where Android get smart. When you providing official update, you either make it work or not. Apple is just providing you an half baked update that crippled iPhone 4S. It take forever for everything you do. I have iPhone 4S and I just don't touch it at all. It is like Apple provided an crippled update that force you uograde, because it is slow as hell.


The problem here is that he said he had an S2 HD, the S2 roms will not work for the S2 HD LTE, afaik?
 
This lawsuit has more ground than you think so. It just depends if APPL can poach the judge or not to dismiss this.

Its about time big guys like Samsung and others pay for the broken promises and features.
 
When you claim

"X did something wrong"

A valid counter argument is "you have no evidence to prove it" and "you don't own your software, Apple does"

An invalid argument is "All three of my friends with iPhone 4s running iOS 9 are having this issue.

And claiming, I am the one defending Apple, is hardly a counter argument either, you are attempting to pretend this issue does not exist when plenty of posts on this forum alone would prove otherwise. It seems to be an accepted fact that you refuse to see, defending Apple and all..
 
This is silly and the comments/arguments are heading way off base.

It's simple... technology moves forward and older devices get slow as new OS's are introduced. This has been my experience over 30 years of working with computers and software.

If you could sue over slow systems due to updates, Microsoft would have been sued out of business after Vista released.

Also... saw someone complaining that they updated their iPad 2 to OS9 and it's unusable. I say BS. I run OS9.2 on our iPad2 and it's just fine performance wise.
 
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What a joke. As if Craig Federighi tells his engineers to insert code that will intentionally slow down older devices. People sue for anything and everything these days. Only in America. :rolleyes:



You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?

I will say, there is a significant decrease in performance on the 4s running iOS 9 compared to iOS 8.

That's not to say I agree with this at all, but they have almost crippled the phone.
 
I don't think it means what you think it means.

If you bothered to open the link and scroll down to the section I highlighted .

Summary paragraph for the section

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

I understand the paragraph very well, do you?
 
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All I want is to have the choice.
If I have an old windows pc that run newer os like crap, I can install windows xp if I want.
 
This is different. Moto G 2014's hardware is capable of running Marshmallow even though it didn't receive the update yet. The iPhone 4 too old. If iPhone 4S has difficulties running newer software due to hardware limitations, the 4 would likely not even be able to run it at all.
Try finding a older budget phone like .. . a Samsung Conquer 4G. Look at the specs and decide if flashing a custom ROM would work.

Funny how because look at the old HTC HD2... It only has 448MB of RAM yet someone has managed to get it to run on Marshmallow. The iPhone 4 on iOS 9 is defiantly possible, but it would be rigged with bugs, just like the 4S.
 
If you bothered to open the link and scroll down to the section I highlighted .

Summary paragraph for the section

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

I understand the paragraph very well, do you?

Yes and then they show you like iPhone 6/S at least and iPad Air/2. Kinda implied.


And lets not forget simple common sense.
 
The problem here is that he said he had an S2 HD, the S2 roms will not work for the S2 HD LTE, afaik?

So? A iPhone 4 CDMA firmware would work with a iPhone 4 GSM model?

They often need a patch for another model for example the S2 HD to work with a S2 LTE.
 
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The Plaintiff has no case, in my opinion.

In my honest opinion, they do.
Apple clearly states "improved performance" and that the iPhone 4s is eligible..

My gf gave her old iPhone 4s very recently to our daughter for her birthday (it's in mint condition), and when I updated it to iOS9 it became a slow mess of a phone. It honestly irritates the s### out of me. They should either have mentioned this, or dropped the phone altogether from the update. With the "no going back" and all, it becomes annoyingly deceptive.

How can many of you not see this?

I'm not a Apple hater, not with all the Apple products I own.. But this is just wrong.
 
So? A iPhone 4 CDMA firmware would work with a iPhone 4 GSM model?

They often need a patch for another model for example the S2 HD to work with a S2 LTE.
I never said that, did you seriously
misinterpret it as that? i meant that he posted firmwares for another model and thus in no way proved the point he was trying to prove (that there in fact is Roms out there for that device), he has since posted a link to the correct device and in that way actually proven his point.
 
Yes and then they show you like iPhone 6/S at least and iPad Air/2. Kinda implied.


And lets not forget simple common sense.

The improved performance for the 6S that shipped with iOS 9.... wow!

Your reasoning lacks any common sense, sorry. A reasonable person does not look at pics, they read the details.

Feel free to point out in iOS 9 product pages where these claims only apply to products pictured....Lol.
 
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The improved performance for the 6S that shipped with iOS 9.... wow!

Your reasoning lacks any common sense, sorry. A reasonable person does not look at pics, they read the details.

Feel free to point out in iOS 9 product pages where these claims only apply to products pictured....Lol.
But it could be improved from iOS 8, not from let's say iOS 6. But even in that case it is not correct as my iPad 3 slowed down significantly when "upgrading" from iOS 8 to iOS 9
 
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...ogenmod-13-t3223808/post63267016#post63267016

Marshmallow ROM..note this is in alpha build... So wait for the final build. It will come

And here is the lollipop ROM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../rom-cyanogenmod-12-1-nightly-builds-t3147661

It isn't hard to find ROM for S2...

As official update, this is where Android get smart. When you providing official update, you either make it work or not. Apple is just providing you an half baked update that crippled iPhone 4S. It take forever for everything you do. I have iPhone 4S and I just don't touch it at all. It is like Apple provided an crippled update that force you uograde, because it is slow as hell.

Wow you actually take the time to find it. Thank you but that's not really my model. I had an S2 HD LTE (SHV-E120L which is a Korean only version not the stock S2). I guess that's another problem with android manufacturers that produce multiple versions for the same phone.

I have to disagree with your point though. That old phone of mine which came with stock Gingerbread was running okay-ish until an update to ICS made it much worse. Further upgrade to Jellybean made it so unusably slow. Heck even my friend who is using the stock Nexus 5 is complaining of the new update making is slower. People always make it sound like Apple intentionally cripple their own devices with update even though this happen with any old underpowered devices
 
They may have a point if they can show that the OS makes the phone less efficient or slower. In that case Apple should design a method for easily reverting to previous iOS that worked well.
I managed to install Mavericks onto my old 2006 iMac, but it's really sluggish. Anyone want to sue Apple with me?
 
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