I have a Nexus 5 using MM it't not in any shape or form slow. This phone has also run both a Lolipop Omnirom and CM13.
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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
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I have a Nexus 5 using MM it't not in any shape or form slow. This phone has also run both a Lolipop Omnirom and CM13.
Just get real. Not even in America lawsuits like that will slide. With logic like this you can sue any company for anything from 2010 running current software from 2015 soon 2016. No reasonable person will expect 4S to perform like that.
Within 40 feet of me,
we got a 6s, 6, 3GS, Ipad 2, Ipad Air 2, Ipad 4, Iphone 4s, 5s, none of them is "slow mess".
The Ipad 2 in particular operates like a charm under 9.2, 4s not bad either under 9.2 (was slower under 9.0 for sure).
Some call 3GS under 6.1.6, a phone I still use as a a kind of Ipod around the house, "unusable", something I don't see either.
I'm calling people whiners because that's what I see from direct, in my hand, access to all those devices.
My family still use all of them.
Just get real. Not even in America lawsuits like that will slide. With logic like this you can sue any company for anything from 2010 running current software from 2015 soon 2016. No reasonable person will expect 4S to perform like that.
Apparently only a moron filing this lawsuit thinks that.
Thing is the 4s was sold as late as like 1-1.5 years ago, so for those users it's not an old device, it's actually quite new
I get your point though
Thing is the 4s was sold as late as like 1-1.5 years ago, so for those users it's not an old device, it's actually quite new
I get your point though
Technically it's old, but i understand
I'm just going to say what I said on Apple Insider's thread:
This is what happens when computer industry self-indulgences collide with consumer products. The majority of consumers aren't conditioned by the rhetoric of the computer geek community. They don't accept the excuses and the special pleading. The computer industry is infantile as an industry and it's long past time to grow up. It's long past time the industry gets a spotlight directed at its ineffectiveness, inappropriate ideals, wastefulness, and planned obsolescence-as-default for so-called "progress".
Sadly, most other industries also indulge in the same practice. It's the capitalist way: make money next quarter by re-selling all the same products (cheapened for quicker/cheaper manufacture, and shorter lifespan), repeatedly, resulting in making the most ridiculous bundles of materials into a disposable item (and taking zero responsibility for the resulting waste material, feeding toxic disposal industries with reusable materials getting wasted in combustion or landfills, instead of bringing it back into the manufacturing process). It's wasteful and insane (insane because the expectation of perpetual financial growth, rather than maintaining a self-sustaining industry, is against the most basic of principles of nature/physics, and insane because it's self-destructive to our own environment that we rely on for our own existence).
Most likely, this lawsuit will go nowhere. The belief in the entrenched economics is too deeply set in place and the industries too powerful to stop in their tracks. But it would be nice if a few more people had this insanity brought to their attention. Most likely, the human race will continue like this until it extinguishes itself by exhausting all resources before learning how to properly use them like the living organisms on this planet have been doing naturally for millions of years. Human "intelligence" has excused us from any ecosystem, resulting in us destroying those ecosystems. The consequences currently being argued to inaction will become inarguable when it's too late to stop them by amending our global behaviors.
I'm didn't bother reading the consumer-blaming, technology-worshipping, capitalism-as-religion, geek apologetics replies to the article over there and I'm not going to read it here. But I'm glad to have caught a few random statements on here during my scroll down the page to this comment box that indicates some people here acknowledge the device crippling effects of "upgrades"... But that's not a "lesson" nor a fact of some kind of techno-nature that people should have to "learn" to accommodate. The industry doesn't feed the consumer. The consumer feeds the industry. Cause and effect, need and provision... it's all messed up with the current obsession with stocks and profits as the end-all be-all economics. Corporations are capitalizing on profits by driving consumption, and socializing the losses/damages of waste and pollution.
This is what happens when computer industry self-indulgences collide with consumer products. The majority of consumers aren't conditioned by the rhetoric of the computer geek community. They don't accept the excuses and the special pleading. The computer industry is infantile as an industry and it's long past time to grow up. It's long past time the industry gets a spotlight directed at its ineffectiveness, inappropriate ideals, wastefulness, and planned obsolescence-as-default for so-called "progress".
Sadly, most other industries also indulge in the same practice. It's the capitalist way: make money next quarter by re-selling all the same products (cheapened for quicker/cheaper manufacture, and shorter lifespan), repeatedly, resulting in making the most ridiculous bundles of materials into a disposable item (and taking zero responsibility for the resulting waste material, feeding toxic disposal industries with reusable materials getting wasted in combustion or landfills, instead of bringing it back into the manufacturing process). It's wasteful and insane (insane because the expectation of perpetual financial growth, rather than maintaining a self-sustaining industry, is against the most basic of principles of nature/physics, and insane because it's self-destructive to our own environment that we rely on for our own existence).
Most likely, this lawsuit will go nowhere. The belief in the entrenched economics is too deeply set in place and the industries too powerful to stop in their tracks. But it would be nice if a few more people had this insanity brought to their attention. Most likely, the human race will continue like this until it extinguishes itself by exhausting all resources before learning how to properly use them like the living organisms on this planet have been doing naturally for millions of years. Human "intelligence" has excused us from any ecosystem, resulting in us destroying those ecosystems. The consequences currently being argued to inaction will become inarguable when it's too late to stop them by amending our global behaviors.
I'm didn't bother reading the consumer-blaming, technology-worshipping, capitalism-as-religion, geek apologetics replies to the article over there and I'm not going to read it here. But I'm glad to have caught a few random statements on here during my scroll down the page to this comment box that indicates some people here acknowledge the device crippling effects of "upgrades"... But that's not a "lesson" nor a fact of some kind of techno-nature that people should have to "learn" to accommodate. The industry doesn't feed the consumer. The consumer feeds the industry. Cause and effect, need and provision... it's all messed up with the current obsession with stocks and profits as the end-all be-all economics. Corporations are capitalizing on profits by driving consumption, and socializing the losses/damages of waste and pollution.
Technically it is bordering on ancientTechnically it's old, but i understand
To my opinion the complaint is legitimate. I experienced the same phenomenon when years ago updated my 3G to 4.2.1. It became completely unusable.
I guess, like many others said already, the solution would be to provide a possibility to get rid of the annoying red alert and the chance to downgrade.
I guess, like many others said already, the solution would be to provide a possibility to get rid of the annoying red alert and the chance to downgrade.
Well done in avoiding the question. So far all your posts have said nothing on the topic other than Everyone is an idiot.... And when pushed on your own statements , you avoid the questions . Time to self reflect bud.
Thing is the 4s was sold as late as like 1-1.5 years ago, so for those users it's not an old device, it's actually quite new
I get your point though
The funny thing is that those 4s sold in 2014 came out with some version of IOS 8, an OS derided as a buggy slow mess on these devices by well, everyone; but somehow 9.0 would be worse? Makes no sense to me since I'm seeing nothing of the sort (and even an improvement).
Apple does not comment on security patches (so we don't know) except in new releases of iOS and does not back patch security fixes unless there is public outcry. Simply put Apple is too big to care any more. And as we all know teenagers (Apples main customer) are too smart to care about security patches.
What about self indulgent twerps doing is POS lawsuits; got a love for them seemingly...
As I said earlier, I actually use the whole range of Iphone and Ipads Ipad 2, 4s to current and don't see it.
So, why believe them and not my own experience, or those of millions who didn't get this experience.
BTW, spare the whole pap speech and keep your violins for some audience that cares; those twerps.
They simply can't do it because there are so many open and fixed bugs in an iOS release that it would be a nightmare to figure out how to back patch security fixes without all of the other bug fixes/workarounds. Might as well just force everyone to upgrade. That along with Apple's corporate DNA to throw out last years hardware and apps in favor of 'innovation' (this years fad) and bing, not going to happen.
It should slide. I've been burnt by Apple's lousy software support as have many others, and not just on the iPhone. Their practices with their iOS updates are shady and simply unacceptable. If there is no reason to expect iOS 9 to function correctly on a 4S then there is no reason for the update to be released for the 4S (and pushed quite aggressively to the user). This is quite clearly a way to slow down older devices so newer ones become a more tempting purchase sooner. There is literally no point in denying this. You're just stuffing fingers into yours ears and screaming at the wall for no reason since taking action over this will benefit everyone.
I don't think a court can force Apple to do anything. Apple could put up a message on older devices saying the update may cause performance issues but then they might as well not support that device as people will get cold feet and not upgrade. I don't believe for one second Apple intentionally slows down older devices and I do think their software engineers work really hard to try and make the current OS run decent on older hardware. I would be curious to know who makes the decision on what devices are supported. Is it Craig Federighi and the software engineering team or is it Phil Schiller and the marketing team (because they want that pie chart showing most of the install base on the latest software)? I have a strong hunch its Schiller's team that has the final say on product specs. I would like to see them future proof devices on the hardware side as much as they can. I think we're starting to see that with the amazing work the chip team is doing. But making 2GB RAM and 32GB storage the minimum is a must IMO but I don't think the engineers are the ones making that decision I think Schiller's marketing team is and their engineers have to work around those limitations.
Which just shows this didn't just start with iOS 7. With iOS 10 we should see 64 bit requirement but it will support devices with 1GB RAM and I'm not sure how Apple engineers fix performance issues around that.
Without ANY question.
I believe it should be made law that you can go back to the previous OS if you wish.
Just 1 step.
That should be common sense and the law.
As a consumer you are not to know how something will be BEFORE you try it. SO there should be an option to undo it.
By all means, then tell customers that certain new? features will not work on the old OS, but you should always offer the customer the ability to go back.
I honestly could not understand any person here on these forums who would be strongly against this.
I believe it should be made law that you can go back to the previous OS if you wish.
Just 1 step.
That should be common sense and the law.
As a consumer you are not to know how something will be BEFORE you try it. SO there should be an option to undo it.
By all means, then tell customers that certain new? features will not work on the old OS, but you should always offer the customer the ability to go back.
I honestly could not understand any person here on these forums who would be strongly against this.
Agreed. A very simple fix....and, to be fair, the consumer would have to agree to release Apple from liability when choosing to remain on / roll back to an earlier OS. I think most would make that concession, and the complaining significantly drops.
I think this is going to be less and less of an issue as the SOCs Apple is shipping now are so much better than what came before. But that's why Apple needs to make 2GB RAM the minimum for all new iOS devices going forward. My iPad Air 2 runs iOS 9 flawlessly. I have no issues with my iPad Pro with A9X and 4GB RAM. I won't have any hesitation at all upgrading to iOS 10.
It's not difficult to do your research and see how a device performs on a version of iOS. There are speed comparison videos all over youtube.
If the slow down is something that annoys you then don't upgrade, and if the nagging updates notifications annoy you then jailbreak and get rid of them.
And if any of that isn't your thing then update your four year old phone.
But no, let's just sue Apple instead because free money. Sigh.
If the slow down is something that annoys you then don't upgrade, and if the nagging updates notifications annoy you then jailbreak and get rid of them.
And if any of that isn't your thing then update your four year old phone.
But no, let's just sue Apple instead because free money. Sigh.
I'd like to see updates for older models which are basically just API updates to support new/updated APIs but basically no new features. That shouldn't really have any performance impact and keeps devices usable
Exactly, as said in the license for iOS, the software is provided as-is and without any warranties, The license also states that apple don't need to fix bugs and/or security problems in the software. So it really is "too bad, so sad" if iOS ****s up your iDevice
Exactly, as said in the license for iOS, the software is provided as-is and without any warranties, The license also states that apple don't need to fix bugs and/or security problems in the software. So it really is "too bad, so sad" if iOS ****s up your iDevice
My Apple //gs won't run Safari at all. They deliberately left ProDOS out of the development cycle 25 years ago and now it's in a box in my garage and I'm livid.
Not really the same thing or relevant...