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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
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When did the fairly obvious fact that older hardware won't run newer software as well as current hardware turn into this conspiracy called 'planned obselecence'?
It's a nonsense.
It's a nonsense.
I am one of those on a 5c running iOS 9. In general I have noticed a lot more lag in the OS, the app switcher and the crazy lag when typing. Should I get a new phone soon, probably, but mine still works. If the hardware is still usable no reason to be forced to upgrade. It really is a catch 22 for Apple, people bitch if they don't update older devices like Android and people bitch when they do.
Apple has a unique model with the iPhone, they don't ever really need to make a new budget phone as they can just claim the older ones are the budget phones since they run the new OS. In fact its probably better for everyone consumers and developers to all be updated so there is no fragmentation.
With that said if Apple continues with this path, it should be in their best interest to make sure that if they are supporting those devices with the latest OS that everyone get the same good experience. It doesn't help them when people have a bad experience. So for people to say that they are intentionally slowing down devices to get people to upgrade, would seem counter productive.
Allowing people to opt out of the OS updates with out nagging would be great as well. Downgrades, would be nice but again Apple wan't everyone on the same OS.
Microsoft for a while with Windows Phone was developing for the lowest denominator first then porting up. That seems to make more sense. If Apple wants to continue to support the 4s or the 5 / 5c I would think those would be your baseline devices you would make the OS for then it should run even better on the 6 / 6s.
Apple has a unique model with the iPhone, they don't ever really need to make a new budget phone as they can just claim the older ones are the budget phones since they run the new OS. In fact its probably better for everyone consumers and developers to all be updated so there is no fragmentation.
With that said if Apple continues with this path, it should be in their best interest to make sure that if they are supporting those devices with the latest OS that everyone get the same good experience. It doesn't help them when people have a bad experience. So for people to say that they are intentionally slowing down devices to get people to upgrade, would seem counter productive.
Allowing people to opt out of the OS updates with out nagging would be great as well. Downgrades, would be nice but again Apple wan't everyone on the same OS.
Microsoft for a while with Windows Phone was developing for the lowest denominator first then porting up. That seems to make more sense. If Apple wants to continue to support the 4s or the 5 / 5c I would think those would be your baseline devices you would make the OS for then it should run even better on the 6 / 6s.
Glad to hear that. So are you implying that because your experience is a good one then everyone else's experience should be as well? And what would your response be if Apple acknowledges the issue and offers a workaround?
It wouldn't be the first time that some complain about a problem, others deny it, only to have Apple produce a fix to address the issue (that some claimed never existed in the first place)
Personally, I hope this gets dismissed. I think it's great that Apple continues to support older devices - I'm glad that my stepmom was able to update and continue to use her phone!
I couldn't disagree more tbh. My iPod Touch 5th Gen runs iOS 9.2 with no problem, but maybe its just me. I only use it for games and all.
I forgot to stop arguing with people. It's a resolution for the new year for me.
Para-legal here. I think the issue isn't just cut and dry as weather or not apple falsely advertised iOS 9 to optimize older devices. I think the issue of product accountability needs to be looked at as well.
Just as if i were a scientist dealing with toxic chemicals and had a responsibility to keep the public safe.
Apple and other manufacturers should start to be held accountable for releasing software that could create a regressive and toxic atmosphere in the computing community.
And please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying apple hasn't made a attempt to make a positive impact. And I also don't think they have not acknowledges there is a problem either.
But what I don't see from them is any kind of objectivity when it comes to allowing users the option of going down a road that would lead to equal opportunities for both them and apple.
Not to mention the stringent restrictions their MFI program has put on everyone involved as well.
Before we can have a serious discussion about all of this I think apple needs to show some kind of good will and explain from a eagles POV what drawbacks allowing downgrades would have as a hole in every aspect of their business, including their MFI program.
One thing is for certain however.
The current way we are allowing business to operate with impunity needs to come to a end.
Just as if i were a scientist dealing with toxic chemicals and had a responsibility to keep the public safe.
Apple and other manufacturers should start to be held accountable for releasing software that could create a regressive and toxic atmosphere in the computing community.
And please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying apple hasn't made a attempt to make a positive impact. And I also don't think they have not acknowledges there is a problem either.
But what I don't see from them is any kind of objectivity when it comes to allowing users the option of going down a road that would lead to equal opportunities for both them and apple.
Not to mention the stringent restrictions their MFI program has put on everyone involved as well.
Before we can have a serious discussion about all of this I think apple needs to show some kind of good will and explain from a eagles POV what drawbacks allowing downgrades would have as a hole in every aspect of their business, including their MFI program.
One thing is for certain however.
The current way we are allowing business to operate with impunity needs to come to a end.
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Okay then, what is that reason?
I doubt anyone wants an iPhone 4S running iOS 9. It's not just my opinion. It's probably almost anyone's opinion who owns an iPhone 4S and has upgraded to iOS 9. If it's bad for the user, surely it must be good for the company in some way - but I can't see in what way.
Is it because they don't want to support multiple versions of iOS? But wait, they're still supporting iOS 7 for the iPhone 4, so that's probably not the reason. Also, they could continue to sign it without supporting it. In fact, just because they stop signing it doesn't prevent people from continuing to run an unsupported version of iOS.
Or is it because they want people to upgrade? But that doesn't make sense, since it doesn't actually force you to upgrade. I can keep iOS 7 for as long as luck will allow me. They're only preventing downgrading. So it doesn't make you get the latest version, if anything, it makes you think twice before upgrading.
So does anyone have an explanation as to why Apple stops signing previous versions of iOS?
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To prevent security vulnerabilities obviously. They have partner contracts to enforce. Namely the carriers.
On one hand, you said you buy iPhone becuase Apple provide update for you. Coparent you wanted to Apple support your devices as long as possible. And the reason you don't want Android is becuase there is no update. This is absolutely false. I get Marshmallow update for my Nexus 5 which is 3 years old.
On other hand, you think
Really. When you install a software and it slows down to the point you would not want use anymore, which is case for many people apparently. The logic response is 1) do the clean install 2) If that isn't help, then I will install the previous version that worked fine, then continue use it.
I would not deny some folks will buy the newer hardware, but you cannot deny many folks will want revert to software version that works with this price of hardware.
Please don't pretend that a Nexus experience is a typical Android experience.
in europe! right now the 13 inch mac book pro costs 1149€ & the iPhone 6s plus 128 1099 + stupid cover are almost equal
I'm seriously thinking of forgetting smartphones altogether!
$5,000,000 spread out between however many thousand plaintiffs there may end up being (if this is allowed to advance) plus the lawyer fees is not very outrageous.
I know its our fault. apple should pay no taxes & we should buy the new phone every year ;-)
You don't have to try to employ false dilemma about it. Of course Apple pays taxes, but its you that chose to pass on those taxes to your product purchase prices. That's how business works.
are you trying to tell me that the price gap between the 2 products is different because of VAT?
But making general statement of Android phone do not received update is false. Samsug provide update for their S4, S5 and S6. HTC also provide updates for their M8,M9 and A9. Motorola provides update for Moto X, Moto G and Moto E.
It is true iPhone general receive longer support than Android, but it is absolutely false to claim Android phone being left alone with updates.
Nobody said that. What people are saying is that Apple doesn't seem to care to fine tune updates so that they DON'T slow down older devices.
It's ironic. Many fans talk about how Apple is in control of both hardware and software, and therefore Apple has the ability to fine tune things. If so, then they sure as heck are not using that ability, either through incompetence, laziness, or upper management no longer caring.
Apparently Apple doesn't think so.
A lot of us really regret moving to iOS 8 on our older devices. We then kept upgrading in the hopes that later releases would fix things. We were mistaken, and I think it left a bad mark in a lot of people's minds.
If I could go backward, I would. It's not like older devices actually get most of the new features in a release anyway. Apple just likes to brag that people are on the latest release number, even if it's mostly meaningless to the user... or worse.
< sigh >
If only the MR community put as much reseources, time, and energy into starting to build a distributed computing project to crack apples signing keys (even it was only one device at a time) (and even IF it takes many years), there would be so much bandwidth saved and so fewer hearts broken around here.
If only the MR community put as much reseources, time, and energy into starting to build a distributed computing project to crack apples signing keys (even it was only one device at a time) (and even IF it takes many years), there would be so much bandwidth saved and so fewer hearts broken around here.