so some being happy means everyone is? Apple needs to provide ways to put the OS you bought with the device on it. If this was macs or pcs, you couldn't argue this so why are you doing so here?
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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
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the only benchmark where ios9 is faster than 8 on the 4s/ip2 is with the camera. Everything else is slower
I don't have a screenshot, but another user quoted the following from Apple's website
"Engineered to perform.At every level.
Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."
Plus I remember for the 8.0 and 9.0 upgrades that performance improvements were advertised. I also remember that one of the 8.x versions advertised performance enhancements specifically for the 4S.
Now go to http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read the notes on the bottom of the page.
- Transit is available on iPhone 5 or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad mini 2 or later, and iPod touch (6th generation).
- Picture in Picture and Slide Over are available on iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, and iPad mini 2 or later. Split View is available on iPad Pro, iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 4.
- Siri is available on iPhone 4s or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad (3rd generation) or later, iPad mini or later, and iPod touch (5th generation or later) and requires Internet access. Siri may not be available in all languages or in all areas, and features may vary by area. Cellular data charges may apply.
- Facedown detection is supported on iPhone 5s or later.
- Software update sizes calculated by updating iPhone 6 from iOS 7.1 to iOS 8.0 and from iOS 8.4 to iOS 9.
- Two-factor authentication will initially be available to a limited number of users. Learn more.
- Some features may not be available for all countries or all areas. Click here to see complete list.
- iCloud requires an iCloud-enabled device. Some features require iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan. Some features require a Wi-Fi connection. Some features are not available in all countries. Access to some services is limited to 10 devices.
- Apple Pay is available in the U.S. and UK.
- News is available only in the U.S.
There is no legal disclaimer at the bottom even mentioning that only specific devices will see improved performance or that Metal is only supported on iPhone 5s or later. It's clearly stated by Apple that iOS 9 is generally smoother on any device capable of running it.
Or better yet, allow for downgrading of sw
This is where Apple is really smart. By providing updates to really old devices made them looks good and it is really good PR scheme. But what Apple really intended tondo is provide updates that slows old devices to push people buy newer devices. This is part of Apple's planned obsoletion and it not only makes Apple looks good but also make Apple fans believing Apple is great. Smart move by Apple.
I don't think the 5 million in this lawsuit is the main point. The point being the unacceptable practice of not allowing downgrades and advertising these updates as improvements when they are clearly not on older hardware.
I upgraded to an iPhone 6 last year, but my husband loves his 4s for its size and does not want to spend hundreds of dollars on a new phone only to have Apple trash it too down the road. I can't say that I blame him. My iPhone 6 remains on 8.4.1, my husband is not tech savvy and allowed the upgrade not knowing its effects or that it was a permanent action.
I upgraded to an iPhone 6 last year, but my husband loves his 4s for its size and does not want to spend hundreds of dollars on a new phone only to have Apple trash it too down the road. I can't say that I blame him. My iPhone 6 remains on 8.4.1, my husband is not tech savvy and allowed the upgrade not knowing its effects or that it was a permanent action.
and then no one ever heard from AustinIllini ever since.
Now go to http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read the notes on the bottom of the page.
- Transit is available on iPhone 5 or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad mini 2 or later, and iPod touch (6th generation).
- Picture in Picture and Slide Over are available on iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, and iPad mini 2 or later. Split View is available on iPad Pro, iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 4.
- Siri is available on iPhone 4s or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad (3rd generation) or later, iPad mini or later, and iPod touch (5th generation or later) and requires Internet access. Siri may not be available in all languages or in all areas, and features may vary by area. Cellular data charges may apply.
- Facedown detection is supported on iPhone 5s or later.
- Software update sizes calculated by updating iPhone 6 from iOS 7.1 to iOS 8.0 and from iOS 8.4 to iOS 9.
- Two-factor authentication will initially be available to a limited number of users. Learn more.
- Some features may not be available for all countries or all areas. Click here to see complete list.
- iCloud requires an iCloud-enabled device. Some features require iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan. Some features require a Wi-Fi connection. Some features are not available in all countries. Access to some services is limited to 10 devices.
- Apple Pay is available in the U.S. and UK.
- News is available only in the U.S.
There is no legal disclaimer at the bottom even mentioning that only specific devices will see improved performance or that Metal is only supported on iPhone 5s or later. It's clearly stated by Apple that iOS 9 is generally smoother on any device capable of running it.
Now go to http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read the notes on the bottom of the page.
- Transit is available on iPhone 5 or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad mini 2 or later, and iPod touch (6th generation).
- Picture in Picture and Slide Over are available on iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, and iPad mini 2 or later. Split View is available on iPad Pro, iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 4.
- Siri is available on iPhone 4s or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad (3rd generation) or later, iPad mini or later, and iPod touch (5th generation or later) and requires Internet access. Siri may not be available in all languages or in all areas, and features may vary by area. Cellular data charges may apply.
- Facedown detection is supported on iPhone 5s or later.
- Software update sizes calculated by updating iPhone 6 from iOS 7.1 to iOS 8.0 and from iOS 8.4 to iOS 9.
- Two-factor authentication will initially be available to a limited number of users. Learn more.
- Some features may not be available for all countries or all areas. Click here to see complete list.
- iCloud requires an iCloud-enabled device. Some features require iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan. Some features require a Wi-Fi connection. Some features are not available in all countries. Access to some services is limited to 10 devices.
- Apple Pay is available in the U.S. and UK.
- News is available only in the U.S.
There is no legal disclaimer at the bottom even mentioning that only specific devices will see improved performance or that Metal is only supported on iPhone 5s or later. It's clearly stated by Apple that iOS 9 is generally smoother on any device capable of running it.
Note where it says Transit, and Picture in Picture and Slide over are not available on iPhone 4S, though I do not know if this affects the performance of the 4S.
Understood and I agree about buying elsewhere in the future, but that doesn't reimburse or solve the issue Apple has created for all their customers...not just the 4s. Hopefully something good comes from this lawsuit but like many others, I too doubt it goes anywhere. While it may be too late for older hardware that doesn't prevent better behavior by Apple moving into the future.
Prayers answered; Apple is rotten to the core. They should also be sued for the faulty wi Fi chips in thousands of
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Apple today was hit with a class action lawsuit seeking over $5 million in damages for deceptive trade practices and false advertising, as noted by AppleInsider). Plaintiff Chaim Lerman says he and other iPhone 4s owners became unable to use their devices after upgrading to iOS 9 as the update "significantly slowed down" their iPhones and "interfered with the normal usage of the device."
According to the lawsuit, the plaintiffs were forced to either live with a "slow and buggy" device that "disrupts every day life" or shell out hundreds of dollars for a new iPhone.
The plaintiffs argue that Apple failed to properly warn iPhone 4s users that the update would "significantly interfere" with the performance of their phones. When Lerman and other plaintiffs upgraded their devices, they noticed a significant drop in performance in both third-party apps and basic functions like using the Phone app. Because Apple does not allow iPhone users to easily downgrade their devices to a previous iOS version, the plaintiffs feel they're forced into either using a slower phone or purchasing a new one.
Apple's advertising, the plaintiffs allege, does not mention the potential of slowed performance for iPhone 4s users, instead focusing on performance improvements. The lawsuit points towards Apple's iOS 9 website, which says the update brings "faster performance, improved security, convenient updates, and longer battery life." The plaintiffs argue that Apple must have known about the iPhone 4s' slower performance from internal testing or other means and did not warn users about potential headaches in their advertising.
This isn't the first time Apple has been accused of planned obsolescence, as the company was hit with a lawsuit in 2011 regarding the iPhone 3G and iOS 4. That case was thrown out by the judge who ruled the iOS 4 update was not a "good or service" and dismissed claims of false advertising and deceptive business practices.
Article Link: Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
You are comparing an 8.4.x OS that is fully optimized to an 9.0.x OS that was just introduced and was not fully optimized. Why not wait until we get to 9.4 and then do the comparison?
So many typical apple fan-boy (and girl) responses in this thread.
Yes, Apple may be the greatest company on the face of the earth, but there are people who don't want to buy a new, $700+ phone every 2 years to keep up with technology. With Apple *essentially* forcing or strong arming people into upgrading to the newest OS while diminishing the performance, they are essentially pushing their customers into buying a new iPhone.
My mom has an iPhone 4 (4, not 4S). She is a doctor and primarily uses her work provided BlackBerry. Her personal cell phone tasks are very basic- phone calls, text, email is 90% of her usage. Her phone is so slow with iOS7 it's borderline unusable in my opinion. She cannot easily revert to iOS6, which worked great on her phone. Besides now being horribly slow, her iPhone still works and meets her needs, making a $700 upgrade not really worth it, though I'm sure she could afford a new one.
I don't think it's right Apple can push people into upgrading their OS, resulting in cripplingly slow phones, forcefully persuading people into having to upgrade. Someone used a car analogy here that I liked, so I will repeat it in my own words. What if every time your car went in for an oil change your car got slower and worse gas mileage. The car still works, it still gets you from point A to B, but it's not the car you thought you bought.
Yes, Apple may be the greatest company on the face of the earth, but there are people who don't want to buy a new, $700+ phone every 2 years to keep up with technology. With Apple *essentially* forcing or strong arming people into upgrading to the newest OS while diminishing the performance, they are essentially pushing their customers into buying a new iPhone.
My mom has an iPhone 4 (4, not 4S). She is a doctor and primarily uses her work provided BlackBerry. Her personal cell phone tasks are very basic- phone calls, text, email is 90% of her usage. Her phone is so slow with iOS7 it's borderline unusable in my opinion. She cannot easily revert to iOS6, which worked great on her phone. Besides now being horribly slow, her iPhone still works and meets her needs, making a $700 upgrade not really worth it, though I'm sure she could afford a new one.
I don't think it's right Apple can push people into upgrading their OS, resulting in cripplingly slow phones, forcefully persuading people into having to upgrade. Someone used a car analogy here that I liked, so I will repeat it in my own words. What if every time your car went in for an oil change your car got slower and worse gas mileage. The car still works, it still gets you from point A to B, but it's not the car you thought you bought.
I have an iPhone 4 that I use for everything except make phone calls, which I could technically do with a voip app, it's borderline but still usable, although safari is not very stable.
As far as the car analogy, a better analogy is a required ecu upgrade to fix emission problems. Good news is car will get better gas mileage, bad news 0 to 60 is slower.
I'm hanging on to my iPad 2 for a few more years. Very usable on iOS 9 vs iOS 8. On the other hand the iPhone 7 sounds killer and may sell my 6s; which is nothing to do with your postulation.
Sorry to say this, but your post isn't elevated above any of the others just because you start your post with this. What you are saying has been said many times before in this thread.
ah not sure where you got that from. However if you're referring to the VW scandal, the cars WILL get worse gas mileage if owners do the upgrade.
indeed, however if Apple is promising better performance etc but that isn't the case, they should at least let you downgrade to the previous version.
Because they are appearing, and one of the major reasons why they turned things around under jobs is because he knew customer service excellence must be the best in the buisness.
If Apple keep on having the attitude you just displayed, they will continue to lose what jobs created and what got them to the top.
I hate fanboys....they don't realize that by defending apple at every turn, you don't help apple become a better company.
Car sales man: "you will get 10 times better fuel mileage with this car versus your old one!"
You buy it and you're getting worse mileage than your old one. Using your argument, no one forced you to upgrade to a new car so you should just suck it up right?
Apple claims performance will increase with the new iOS, so you upgrade. However performance is worse....how is it different from the example above?
Why does this make Apple legally culpable?
And I don't call you names.
And FYI, my favorite device I own is an Android phone.
No device specified. No problem.
Now go to http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ and read the notes on the bottom of the page.
- Transit is available on iPhone 5 or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad mini 2 or later, and iPod touch (6th generation).
- Picture in Picture and Slide Over are available on iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, and iPad mini 2 or later. Split View is available on iPad Pro, iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 4.
- Siri is available on iPhone 4s or later, iPad Pro, iPad Air or later, iPad (3rd generation) or later, iPad mini or later, and iPod touch (5th generation or later) and requires Internet access. Siri may not be available in all languages or in all areas, and features may vary by area. Cellular data charges may apply.
- Facedown detection is supported on iPhone 5s or later.
- Software update sizes calculated by updating iPhone 6 from iOS 7.1 to iOS 8.0 and from iOS 8.4 to iOS 9.
- Two-factor authentication will initially be available to a limited number of users. Learn more.
There is no legal disclaimer at the bottom even mentioning that only specific devices will see improved performance or that Metal is only supported on iPhone 5s or later. It's clearly stated by Apple that iOS 9 is generally smoother on any device capable of running it.
- Some features may not be available for all countries or all areas. Click here to see complete list.
- iCloud requires an iCloud-enabled device. Some features require iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan. Some features require a Wi-Fi connection. Some features are not available in all countries. Access to some services is limited to 10 devices.
- Apple Pay is available in the U.S. and UK.
- News is available only in the U.S.
Also, you have to prove Apple knowingly LIED about performance. They can have performance data that flies in the face of what the consumer is seeing. That's life. It happens all the time.
I can do this all day.
I'm not calling you a fan boy
sorry if you thought that.I think they should be legally culpable if they are advertising improved performances but people very clearly aren't getting it, at the very least they need to give people the ability to move backwards to software.