Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update

[uid15]

Christ!, who holds on to such relics these days?

"Relics"? You think so, seriously? My Mum and brother both still happily uses their iPhone 4, and nary a problem. I hardly think that - just because the brainwashed, consumer mentality masses upgrade perfectly working hardware EVERY SINGLE YEAR (or less), that this means that older phones are "relics". I'd possibly draw the line at the 3G S or 3G, but the 4S is s perfectly serviceable and working, decent iPhone for many people who have no utility nor desire for the supposedly "better" models.

There's then me, and I upgrade once every 6 months or less, because I am a "power user" I suppose, and I use whatever platform's latest mid-range phone because I like new toys, but I do not NEED them, not one bit of it. I've become accustomed to 5"+ phones (I own a ZTE phone with a 5.5" 1080p IPS and a Lumia 640 XL with a 5.7" 720p IPS) - do I absolutely NEED these? Nope, but I prefer a larger screen. Anyway, back to topic - to say they're "relics" is implied eltisim and tech snobbery - my Dad only JUST retired his Nokia 3310... call THAT a relic if you want, it is, but then his demands are different yet again... he needs calls, THAT IS IT.

Exaggerating by calling something a "relic" doesn't make it a relic, it simply means you're exaggerating by calling something a "relic"

 

[Act3]

With iOS 8 came a large slow down, but it was still useable. iOS 9 is no slower than iOS 8, as far as I can tell.

It should perform better than iOS 8. Apple advertises a device that works much better for everything you do with it. LOL. We will see if the lawyers have opportunity to present the evidence in court.

"Engineered to perform.At every level.
Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

Quoted straight from their iOS 9 webpage.

 

[I7guy]

Maybe they have made enough profit now that they can get back to the basics of pleasing the customer. I doubt they will and I doubt anyone who can stick up for Apple on forum. What is the purpose behind that? None of us have the cash that apple has. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? Its not like they are in the poor house in Cupertino.

The customer is always right, does not mean every customer is right 100% of the time. There's a difference between sticking up for Apple and acknowledging this is out of our control. On the other hand if one can criticize Apple I guess one can defend them also.

 

[I7guy]

It should perform better than iOS 8. Apple advertises a device that works much better for everything you do with it. LOL. We will see if the lawyers have opportunity to present the evidence in court.

"Engineered to perform.At every level.
Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

Quoted straight from their iOS 9 webpage.

You are not going to turn lead into gold. Or a five year old mobile device into a 6s. With Marketing slogans the courts don't seem to want to penalize companies for literary freedom.

 

[tjlazer]

BS. I personally saw iPhone 4's crippled with the iOS updates to the point it was almost unusable. Or at least very frustrating for the user. When the phone first came out it was blazing fast. We get that old tech will struggle with new features and we cannot expect it to run fast on the latest! BUT forcing you to update, is BS. We should be able to use older iOS for older phones. Not everyone wants the latest up to date smartphone. The excuses about the security updates are BS. I definitely think it's Apple's way to force you to upgrade. Benefiting from this Moore's law. Can you imagine is M$ did that with Windows?

 

[Ladybug]

Security updates need to be seperate from iOS updates. Apple at the least owes that to their customers. Apple set themselves up nicely for future profits with no regard for their customers best interest. Apple makes many decisions as of late that have many raising their eyebrows.

 

[Radon87000]

That goes to my #1 complaint about Apple's OS policy. Why can't they continue issuing security updates, without forcing people to upgrade the OS???

Aside from that, I find some of these comments of "my phone is too slow now" quite perplexing. My 4S was nice and speedy all the way through iOS 7. With iOS 8 came a large slow down, but it was still useable. iOS 9 is no slower than iOS 8, as far as I can tell.

My father's iPad 2 is running iOS 9 just fine. It's a little slow, but completely useable for email and simple web browsing.

Sure, my 4S doesn't launch an app in .00001 seconds, but so what? It's a 4 year old phone, running an OS that was primarily designed for phones with considerably more RAM. People need to get a grip and learn some patience... or fork over the money for new hardware.

I'm just glad I can run the latest OS with the security patches. I have no interest in phablets, so hopefully the 6c rumors are somewhat accurate... although I passed on the 5/5S because I consider those to be "too big", lol

Lol.I am getting a 3-4 second wait time on my iPad Mini while typing and the device can't open more than one tab without flushing out of memory .That sounds normal to you ?

Let's go back to the original proposition, you said there were no lawsuits against galaxy/samsung because the media would be all over it. After a 1 second web search I provided a link to one lawsuit; I wasn't out to do a thesis on the subject. I'm sure there are others for varied "reasons" basically proving a point it's not only apple and people sue for whatever reasons they want.

But that reason wasn't planned obsolescence.And the subject on which the law suit happened is already frivolous as the GPE GS4 does not have bloatware.And yet the reason was still valid as bloatware has been a Samsung problem for years .

On the other hand the iPhone 4S users are stuck with NO WAY out.

 

[Radon87000]

You are not going to turn lead into gold. Or a five year old mobile device into a 6s. With Marketing slogans the courts don't seem to want to penalize companies for literary freedom.

I don't want it to become a 6S.Just turn it back into the way it was on iOS 6 and 7

 

[I7guy]

Lol.I am getting a 3-4 second wait time on my iPad Mini while typing and the device can't open more than one tab without flushing out of memory .That sounds normal to you ?

But that reason wasn't planned obsolescence.And the subject on which the law suit happened is already frivolous as the GPE GS4 does not have bloatware.And yet the reason was still valid as bloatware has been a Samsung problem for years .

On the other hand the iPhone 4S users are stuck with NO WAY out.

If you read these forums, there are some who are happy with their 4s. That pretty much invalidates the claim "the masses" are unhappy, because if a few are satisfied maybe many are satisfied. There is no way of knowing. Proving apple pretty much had planned obsolescence in mind, is quite different than saying you don't like performance of the device and are suing because of it. As previously said, the last lawsuit was tossed.

 

[Michael Goff]

"Relics"? You think so, seriously? My Mum and brother both still happily uses their iPhone 4, and nary a problem. I hardly think that - just because the brainwashed, consumer mentality masses upgrade perfectly working hardware EVERY SINGLE YEAR (or less), that this means that older phones are "relics". I'd possibly draw the line at the 3G S or 3G, but the 4S is s perfectly serviceable and working, decent iPhone for many people who have no utility nor desire for the supposedly "better" models.

There's then me, and I upgrade once every 6 months or less, because I am a "power user" I suppose, and I use whatever platform's latest mid-range phone because I like new toys, but I do not NEED them, not one bit of it. I've become accustomed to 5"+ phones (I own a ZTE phone with a 5.5" 1080p IPS and a Lumia 640 XL with a 5.7" 720p IPS) - do I absolutely NEED these? Nope, but I prefer a larger screen. Anyway, back to topic - to say they're "relics" is implied eltisim and tech snobbery - my Dad only JUST retired his Nokia 3310... call THAT a relic if you want, it is, but then his demands are different yet again... he needs calls, THAT IS IT.

Exaggerating by calling something a "relic" doesn't make it a relic, it simply means you're exaggerating by calling something a "relic"

You don't have to update every year to not have a 4S right now. Upgrading every four years would stop you from having a 4S.

 

[groove-agent]

I'd love to sign up for this class action lawsuit. You should be able to downgrade your phone all the way down to the OS it came with if the new OS is buggy or slows the phone down too much. Sometimes you don't know how it's going to react until you upgrade. My GF had to upgrade her 4S to a 6 because it was too slow. Mine is holding at 9.2 with the least amount of hiccups. These "FREE" OS upgrades from Apple aren't really free... they're bringing you that much closer to a costly hardware upgrade.

 

[pankajdoharey]

These F****rs are not willing to upgrade for a few hundred dollars but are ready to claim 5 million dollars in damages. What a litigious society America is.

 

[apolloa]

Nope, you don't understand context. Yes, I read these every time they come out. You want to defend Apple, then fine. But in the context of not being able to apply security fixes without applying upgrades this description (call it a comment if you want) is an epic fail. You CANNOT apply this patch to any iPhone 4s or any iPod touch, or any iPad 2, in spite of the wrong information provided by Apple, only devices running iOS 9.2 will have this security fixe, nor can one understand what the real vulnerability risk is based on the information provided by Apple. My point is that Apple could and should do more. Your opinion is that they do enough already. Ok, we will just have to disagree, but IMO these notices or comments or whatever you want to call them are not enough. Apple hides security fixes, patches, and other changes unless they have no choice. It is a marketing decision that is not in the interest of users and they won't change as long as people like you look at these notices and say "wow, look what Apple provides."

Oh dear, you are sorley incorrect my friend if you thought I was 'defending Apple'.
I was mearly highlighting how they do post information on their security updates which your original post claimed they did not. That is all, I fully agree Apple should release security patches individually, but unless they are forced they never will as Apple is one giant marketing machine that's great using magical phrases and words to lure people in and rob them of all their money. They love standing on the stage gloating about fragmentation in their competitors market, get off on shouting just how many users have upgraded to the latest iOS over the latest Android, because they get more money which is all they do and will ever care about.

 

[Laptopdog78]

Apple should allow users to download and install whatever iOS they want. I don't see this as a big problem for Apple.

It's all about total control over the masses my friend!

 

[Radon87000]

If you read these forums, there are some who are happy with their 4s. That pretty much invalidates the claim "the masses" are unhappy, because if a few are satisfied maybe many are satisfied. There is no way of knowing. Proving apple pretty much had planned obsolescence in mind, is quite different than saying you don't like performance of the device and are suing because of it. As previously said, the last lawsuit was tossed.

Factual benchmark numbers before and after prove the significant slowdown.Its done on purpose.My gran cant tell the difference between 60fps and 30 fps.Those are not the people I am talking about.

It seems to me you WANT the lawsuit to be tossed and are sympathetic more towards a multi billion dollar corporation for whom profit is the sole criteria than the aggrieved consumers

 

[roadbloc]

You call it "crippling" I call it supporting.

Please tell me how you "the masses" are unhappy. Please cite your source for this "fact". That there is a class action suit is meaningless as $50 bucks buys anybody a lawsuit. The richer the client the better.

This thread is more than enough evidence. People are that pissed they're trying to take it to court. Like it or not, people at large see this as an issue.

I don't understand why some posters here are being so (deliberately) blind to what is going on. Tackling this issue will benefit all Apple users.

 

[numlock]

LMFAOOOOO 5 millions????? Why not sue for 5 Billions... Hahaha Only in America!!!

its a problem created by the american mentality so obviously "only in america" would this be a rational response. and it certainly is a sad state of affairs but the problem lies 100% with the corporations

Christ!, who holds on to such relics these days?

obviously not everyone is as hip and trendy as you. that one works perfectly fine as do older devices that apple as previously tried to make obsolete.

What a joke. As if Craig Federighi tells his engineers to insert code that will intentionally slow down older devices. People sue for anything and everything these days. Only in America.



You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?

no matter how many times you get told the truth it goes in one ear and out the other.

perhaps mr federighi dosent give those instructions but they certainly give instructions to have the ota updates autmatically download. i dont know how many times ive had to delete the 9.2 update on my 5s. i never once initiated the download. im sure some tos lovers will find some obscure mention of it on page 500 of 10.000 though.

if the choice is between losing up to half of your devices space and update then you are forced to update. if the choice is between security updates and not (icloud and facetime issue some years back for instance) you are forced to update.

considering each model can only be updated a few times you are certainly making it sound like a much bigger issue than it really is.

its the same thing over and over and apple either isnt competent enough to have their devices last more than 2 updates then it should change their update ideology completely.

How about suing Android manufacturers for neglecting to patch major vulnerabilities?

do these people own an android device or does the action of inaction of group a impact what group b can do?

 

[I7guy]

Factual benchmark numbers before and after prove the significant slowdown.Its done on purpose.My gran cant tell the difference between 60fps and 30 fps.Those are not the people I am talking about.

It seems to me you WANT the lawsuit to be tossed and are sympathetic more towards a multi billion dollar corporation for whom profit is the sole criteria than the aggrieved consumers

A youtube video probably isn't admissible as evidence in court or is not going to be any basis for the merit of the lawsuit. If it was apple would have lost the last go-around.

It seems to me you WANT Apple to lose because you want to use the courts to control corporate policy, when in fact as a consumer the proper thing is to vote with your wallet. Being an aggrieved consumer is also not the basis for a successful lawsuit.

 

[I7guy]

This thread is more than enough evidence. People are that pissed they're trying to take it to court. Like it or not, people at large see this as an issue.

I don't understand why some posters here are being so (deliberately) blind to what is going on. Tackling this issue will benefit all Apple users.

When a vendor has 50 million devices in consumers hands there is going to be a range of opinions. A pissed off consumers best friend is where they spend their money. None of us are in control of what happens and the legal system will decide where this one ends up. If one doesn't like the outcome, there are alternatives.

 

[AFEPPL]

Factual benchmark numbers before and after prove the significant slowdown.Its done on purpose.My gran cant tell the difference between 60fps and 30 fps.Those are not the people I am talking about.

It seems to me you WANT the lawsuit to be tossed and are sympathetic more towards a multi billion dollar corporation for whom profit is the sole criteria than the aggrieved consumers

Pretty shameful the stance some are taking at defending apple and i cant for the life of me see why anyone would even want to.

 

[oldmacs]

Pretty shameful the stance some are taking at defending apple and i cant for the life of me see why anyone would even want to.

I agree. Not sure why people get satisfaction out of a massive company screwing people over. Apple is a company that has done a lot of great things and I appreciate and use a lot of their products, but when it comes to instances where Apple has not done the best thing by customers, there is no way I will stand up for a corporation who makes large amounts of money and at the end of the day does not care about us past the money we hand them.

 

[quackers82]

I think the solution is for Apple to stop this annual iOS (and OS X) release, and that would allow for more time on optimisation.

 

[I7guy]

I agree. Not sure why people get satisfaction out of a massive company screwing people over. Apple is a company that has done a lot of great things and I appreciate and use a lot of their products, but when it comes to instances where Apple has not done the best thing by customers, there is no way I will stand up for a corporation who makes large amounts of money and at the end of the day does not care about us past the money we hand them.

So that is what apple is doing? Screwing people over? And people are getting satisfaction from that? Wow. Very shallow thinking is that.

 

[oldmacs]

So that is what apple is doing? Screwing people over? And people are getting satisfaction from that? Wow. Very shallow thinking is that.

Yes - Releasing a version of iOS, that told people would improve performance, while obviously for many, it doesn't and then not allowing them to downgrade is screwing people over.

Obviously while providing iOS 9 for 4S users is a good thing, it is not good when performance and stability decreases, without the ability to revert to an older version of iOS, given people pay large amounts of money for these devices.

People must get satisfaction in defending Apple for doing that, I can't think of any other reason for people's blind defence.

I think it is reasonable to give them credit where credit is due, but Apple don't need defending, they are a massive wealthy company.

 

[I7guy]

Yes - Releasing a version of iOS, that told people would improve performance, while obviously for many, it doesn't and then not allowing them to downgrade is screwing people over.

Obviously while providing iOS 9 for 4S users is a good thing, it is not good when performance and stability decreases, without the ability to revert to an older version of iOS, given people pay large amounts of money for these devices.

People must get satisfaction in defending Apple for doing that, I can't think of any other reason for people's blind defence.

I think it is reasonable to give them credit where credit is due, but Apple don't need defending, they are a massive wealthy company.

Not the 4s, but ios 9 definitely improved things on my ipad 2 over ios 8. Benchmarks actually showed IOS 9 is faster than IOS 8, this has all been hashed over and over again. As of now apples policy is no downgrade. Maybe they will lose the lawsuit and that will change.

What I don't understand is why anyone thinks the world should get behind this lawsuit? Because a few people want apple to change their policies and if you don't support the lawsuit or don't believe apple will lose, you are blindly defending a massively wealthy company who wants to take your money and screw your over? Maybe a little hyperbole in there, but that is the gist.