I didn't make a negative comment about what he did to protect his family. Perhaps, you should read all of my posts.
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I didn't make a negative comment about what he did to protect his family. Perhaps, you should read all of my posts.
surviving an earthquake doesn't make one a hero, however you define hero. to me, a hero is someone who sacrifices their own life for others.
it's easy to think of them as numbers.
i think he was going in a circle..
I would be interested to know, for educational purposes*, to know if he was returning back to the car. they said he went 3 directions, with the last being a half-mile from his car (i can't find the cnn.com article for specifics).
* the reason why I ask is b/c most people, when they become lost or disoriented, naturally travel in circles. in his case, it sounds like the terrain might have made him walk in a certain direction, which is quite possible.
it's important to note that when you travel in the bush, keep looking back...taking snapshots in your head and consciously try to move in one direction.
I would be interested to know, for educational purposes*, to know if he was returning back to the car. they said he went 3 directions, with the last being a half-mile from his car (i can't find the cnn.com article for specifics).
* the reason why I ask is b/c most people, when they become lost or disoriented, naturally travel in circles. in his case, it sounds like the terrain might have made him walk in a certain direction, which is quite possible.
it's important to note that when you travel in the bush, keep looking back...taking snapshots in your head and consciously try to move in one direction.
James went off the road and followed the creek downwards..he was trying to get to the edge of the creek and find civilization. Sadly, the lodge was so close yet so far.
See http://joeduck.wordpress.com/ and read the first post and the comments for tons of useful info (plus maps of their locations)
It kills me everytime to think that they were so close to finding help, James was so close to being rescued. So many what ifs.
Tragedy evokes emotion in most people. For me personally the tragedy has little to do with his experience in the tech industry so much as the tragic way in which he died, the poor luck he had in this circumstance and the reason for his death.
Where his standing in the tech industry comes into play is that, having read and enjoyed his efforts on TechTV and on CNET, it makes the death somewhat personal. Mix the two and, while it may not be important to you, I feel it tragic and important to me. I'll make him out to be a hero if I so choose, and I'm not sure I understand why you felt compelled to tell others how they should feel about him.
Yes, others die all the time, and yes most every death is a tragedy in some way to someone, but it's not fair to simply say "People die all the time." This man, due to publication, had a resonation with more people than the average person does, and so his death, too, has a resonation with more than the average person's does. It doesn't make his death any more or less important, it just makes it more prominent. It's not as though we're all naive to the nature of life and death; I think we realize that every second people die around the world.
Keebler said:
http://www.layoutscene.com/james-kim-path/
Looking at the site, it looks as though he was following the natural drainage ravine, either for more protection, out of confusion/hypothermia or something else. It looks to me that, had he taken a different turn, he would have turned up at the Black Bar Lodge. I assume they were coming from highway 5, and the wrong turn led them deep into that area.
i just saw anderson cooper's bit on cnn. the kims were looking at the map and thought there was a town only 4 miles away, but it was 15
hard to do if you don't read maps often and don't have a compass.he tried though. so sad.
When you first join Boy Scouts (well, for those that are eligible), one of the first things hammered in is "if you get lost, DON'T MOVE!" and "three blasts on a whistle/whatever means you need assistance." The Boy Scout Fieldbook is a great resource for backcountry skills, for both prepared and unprepared circumstances.
As for skills:
Robert Heinlein said:
Of course, some of those aren't really necessary, but the point stands.
As inappropriate as it was, at least he didn't do something crass, i dunno, like crack a tasteless joke when the Kims were still missing.
This story gets more depressing... the road they went down was gated on 11/1 but vandals broke it.....
So did my brother. Mine came in '03.I got my Eagle in 1998.
/me points to the Fieldbook in his bookshelf.
*points at the one taken out of a drawer, but is now sitting in a pile of other books*
I hope vandals that broke down the gate live the rest of their lives with the loss of a human life on their conscience.
unfortunately, they were probably too stoned or drunk to remember if they did it. maybe in this high tech day and age...someday, somewhere, a video clip will surface, leading to the vandals.
however, i would say they acted criminally, but i'm not sure it's entirely their fault. alot of things went so wrong in this very sad situation.
I agree, I would guess these so called vandals were hunters trying to get into their hunting area. Getting lost into the middle of nowhere and then going deeper into it was just a tragedy.
The power of the media. I feel sad and sorry for him and his family but at the same time, I would think about the other unknowns who fought for their loved ones and went sliently into the night.
If that story is really true, then someone knows who these 'hunters' are- I think they should start by publicly apologizing to the Kim family. RIP James- you'll alway be loved.
I agree and yet- there has always been something about James Kim that made him seem so real. I think this got the publicity it deserved. Things like the Peterson case and the Smart abduction- did indeed get too much publicity. Rest well James- your family is safe.
If they realise what they did, they should turn themselves in to the police. It may not have stopped the situation, but it might have caused the Kim family to turn back instead of going somewhere impossible to leave.
There was just something on national news tonight about someone else going down that same road in winter 11 years ago and getting stuck in 3 feet of snow. The man lingered for more than a month from what I understand. If there were signs or something else to prevent someone from thinking that it was a through road, it would have saved lives.
My sympathies go out to the family especially with the holidays so close. It must be very hard on them.
This thread has been pretty classy so far. I remember when I first found out his body was discovered I went to Cnet.com to see if they had anymore details about his death. The site had already setup a memorial for him and a thread for users to post there grief. Sadly, there was a lot of classless people there posting hurtful, and insensitive things before moderators took over.
This thread has been pretty classy so far. I remember when I first found out his body was discovered I went to Cnet.com to see if they had anymore details about his death. The site had already setup a memorial for him and a thread for users to post there grief. Sadly, there was a lot of classless people there posting hurtful, and insensitive things before moderators took over.
How could anyone even think to say anything negative about this?
The man was trying to save his family. I didn't even know who he was until he was missing, and I cried a little when I saw that they found him dead.
It doesn't even matter that he "should have" this or "should have" that.
It was a tremendously selfless act than we can all only hope to have the strength to match should a situation like this come up in our own lives.
The man was trying to save his family. I didn't even know who he was until he was missing, and I cried a little when I saw that they found him dead.
It doesn't even matter that he "should have" this or "should have" that.
It was a tremendously selfless act than we can all only hope to have the strength to match should a situation like this come up in our own lives.
Hour long special on CNN
They're doing a Paula Zahn Now segment at 8pm eastern on James Kim. Be there or be oblong.
From Cnn.com:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/
They're doing a Paula Zahn Now segment at 8pm eastern on James Kim. Be there or be oblong.
From Cnn.com:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/
The distance he walked keeps going up. Yesterday's SF Chronicle had a front page graphic showing that the car was actually found five miles farther down the road than had been previously reported, so James walked more like 16+ miles and ended up much more than the half-mile from his starting point that had originally been reported.
This is just heart-wrenching. If they'd kept that fire lit (see my previous posts in this thread), they would've most likely been rescued on Dec 1st when choppers were in the area.