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[bandrews]

Why not let them if they want it? Why would you care? Do you really want to squash their rights in the name of yours? As for your first example. There is nothing "discriminatory" with someone thinking or stating that homosexuality is wrong. It is an opinion. And, we as a free society, have the privilege of of believing and stating what we like. It may offend some, but I do not remember there being anything about the ability to go through life without ever being offended.

As for the person who states "God hates fags" needs to read their bible. It states the opposite. God may not like the actions, but loves the person. That is very clear. You can love someone without loving their beliefs or actions. Thank God for this, as my wife would have left me long ago if that was not the case .

FYI...I am not the one who brought up the straight parade, but did point out the double standard on the post afterward, so kind of got pulled in . I am pro Traditional Family, but that does not mean I would take away someones right for a parade because I don't agree with them.

There is something discriminatory about thinking being homosexual is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion but if you use that opinion to seek to deny someone the civil rights others enjoy, if it’s used to fuel mental and physical abuse then it’s wrong. It might be legal but still makes you a c***.

The gay pride movement didn’t start out as just a big gay party. It started when being gay was still illegal and came from the same place as the civil rights and suffrage movements. It has come a long way but when guys are still getting stabbed in the streets just for holding hands we still have a long way to go. So forgive me if us gays don’t want a bunch of “oppressed” straight people marching around purely to voice their opposition to our existence.

So please read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_parade

And this.

 

[tshrimp]

There is something discriminatory about thinking being homosexual is wrong......

Since when did thinking something is wrong become the definition of discrimination?

 

[bandrews]

Since when did thinking something is wrong become the definition of discrimination?

Great way to take something out of context. If you had the attention span to go further than the first sentence you’d see what I was saying.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Such celebrations of heterosexuality are going on all the time, they just don't call them, "Heterosexual Pride Parade", they call them things like, "Mardi Gras" and "Spring Break".

If they want to have a "Straight Pride Parade" that's called that, with banners and such, let them. To the extent that such a flame pulls in hateful homophobic moths, we will call them out on it.

When we have military / veteran's parades, it is in recognition of the service they have done for the country (facing adversity, risking their lives), in line with the theme of the parade. When we have Gay Pride parades, it is in recognition of the fact that they have "outed themselves" even though it means putting themselves at risk of ridicule, discrimination, and even violence and death, at the hands of hateful and bigoted people. Gays and Lesbians are proud of taking that stand, and we are proud of them for taking that stand. It is not that they're saying "homosexuality is better and we're proud of that", the pride is because they faced adversity - and the thing they have done to be proud of is intrinsically tied to the theme of the parade.

If you have a "straight pride" parade, what adversity have straight people faced because of being straight? (Answers like, "well, Abe Lincoln is straight, and he did brave and good things" entirely miss the point, because his straightness had nothing to do with his good deeds, and furthermore he did not face adversity because of his straightness while doing those good deeds - you wouldn't be celebrating his straightness, only his good deeds, so it'd be a "good deed pride parade", not a "straight pride parade".)

Now, if you want to simply have a celebratory "we're happy we're straight" parade, sure, go have fun (there are, indeed, many parades put on simply for fun or spectacle - the Doo Dah Parade has always been a favorite). But understand that if you call it a "Straight Pride" parade, to make it a contrast to the many Gay Pride parades, you're missing the point being made by the word, "pride". And amongst the attendees, you will probably get bunch a lot of people who are there not because they like straight people so much, but because they dislike gay people so much.

I think you’re telling the wrong person here. I wasn’t suggesting ‘Straight Pride’ events are needed and am standing up for the very reason Gay Pride needs to still exist in such a prejudiced society.

 

[bwillwall]

Right wing butthurt in 3...2...1.....

right wing gay guy here, I think a lot of the issue right wing people have with the LGBT crowd is that they make their sexuality their entire life story. We'd rather people just be who they want to be and not have it be a big deal, but our society doesn't always allow that yet so its a slow transition.

 

[bandrews]

right wing gay guy here, I think a lot of the issue right wing people have with the LGBT crowd is that they make their sexuality their entire life story. We'd rather people just be who they want to be and not have it be a big deal, but our society doesn't always allow that yet so its a slow transition.

I think its quite the opposite. With homophobes it always comes back to their obsession with two guys sleeping together (its never disgust at two women sleeping together because that's like, so hot bruh) when you and I both know that is a tiny proportion of our wholly average day-to-day lives. The ridiculous notion that we're all some sort of sex crazed deviants trying to seduce their children or that if gay marriage is legalised, the next stop will be permitting paedophilia and bestiality.

I don't make a habit of telling someone I don't know that I'm gay unless the subject of partners comes up but I sure as hell won't stand there and listen to them if they start spouting homophobic BS. I'm sure there are people who make being gay "their whole life story" in the same way there are straight people who go out of their way to beat up/kill/lobby against gay people.

The part of your quote I put in bold is the issue. The reason Pride marches exist is because there are plenty of right wing people who DO make a big deal out of people not just being who they want to be but being who they are and until LGBT people are allowed to be who they are without being bullied at school/disowned by family/fired/beaten up/denied service at a bar/murdered then these marches need to continue.

 

[bwillwall]

I think its quite the opposite. With homophobes it always comes back to their obsession with two guys sleeping together (its never disgust at two women sleeping together because that's like, so hot bruh) when you and I both know that is a tiny proportion of our wholly average day-to-day lives. The ridiculous notion that we're all some sort of sex crazed deviants trying to seduce their children or that if gay marriage is legalised, the next stop will be permitting paedophilia and bestiality.

I don't make a habit of telling someone I don't know that I'm gay unless the subject of partners comes up but I sure as hell won't stand there and listen to them if they start spouting homophobic BS. I'm sure there are people who make being gay "their whole life story" in the same way there are straight people who go out of their way to beat up/kill/lobby against gay people.

The part of your quote I put in bold is the issue. The reason Pride marches exist is because there are plenty of right wing people who DO make a big deal out of people not just being who they want to be but being who they are and until LGBT people are allowed to be who they are without being bullied at school/disowned by family/fired/beaten up/denied service at a bar/murdered then these marches need to continue.

That's fine, but some of us would rather our sexuality not be tied to also being a freak.

 

[CarlJ]

I think you’re telling the wrong person here. I wasn’t suggesting ‘Straight Pride’ events are needed and am standing up for the very reason Gay Pride needs to still exist in such a prejudiced society.

My apologies for the confusion, that was expounding upon / observations based upon what you said, not arguing against it. Read "you" as "one" as it is often used in the vernacular.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

right wing gay guy here, I think a lot of the issue right wing people have with the LGBT crowd is that they make their sexuality their entire life story. We'd rather people just be who they want to be and not have it be a big deal, but our society doesn't always allow that yet so its a slow transition.

Do they make their sexuality their entire life story? I don’t think that about people who match in st paddy’s day parade: oh there goes those people who make their Irish heritage their entire life story. I do think that about people in a
Columbus Day though, but you know, Italians....

 

[bandrews]

That's fine, but some of us would rather our sexuality not be tied to also being a freak.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Are you saying campaigning for equal rights makes someone a “freak”? It’s the people who got out on the streets to protest that had homosexuality decriminalised. But no matter how straight acting you like to think you are, there are plenty of conservative (but not all) straight people out there who will always think you’re a freak.

 

[TiggrToo]

This is what the 'don't flaunt your gayness at me' crowd don't get. My wife worked at a job once where folk had pictures of the opposite-sex partners on their desks with zero issues. After a long period of time she finally had the courage to just casually mention to someone she was married to a woman which was why she didn't have a picture of me on hers, even though they knew she was married - and she was accused by someone else of 'pushing the fact she's a lesbian'.

So, how come having pictures of an opposite-sex partner on your desk, walking down the street with a member of the opposite-sex, or having a meal with someone- of the opposite-sex is fine, but when a gay or lesbian person does it it's called 'pushing a deviant\immoral\unconvential\abnormal\disgusting\perverted lifestyle'?

Then we get the whole 'why they need gay pride parades?' question. I was asked that by someone once and they walked away after minute asking why they'd just been to a St Patricks Day parade a few days earlier. Odd how the Irish can have a parade and pretty much everyone loves it. The gays have one and it's all "OMG - stop pushing your lifestyle on us"...

When straight people run the risk of being fired from a job, simply because they're straight, when they run the risk of being verbally abused due to their heterosexuality, when they are refused housing, simply because they're straight, when they're denied the right to adopt children by the state, simple because they're opposite-sex parents, when they risk being MURDERED because they held hands with their opposite-sex partner, then we'll talk.

Sad...

 

[Fugabutacus]

This is what the 'don't flaunt your gayness at me' crowd don't get. My wife worked at a job once where folk had pictures of the opposite-sex partners on their desks with zero issues. After a long period of time she finally had the courage to just casually mention to someone she was married to a woman which was why she didn't have a picture of me on hers, even though they knew she was married - and she was accused by someone else of 'pushing the fact she's a lesbian'.

So, how come having pictures of an opposite-sex partner on your desk, walking down the street with a member of the opposite-sex, or having a meal with someone- of the opposite-sex is fine, but when a gay or lesbian person does it it's called 'pushing a deviant\immoral\unconvential\abnormal\disgusting\perverted lifestyle'?

Then we get the whole 'why they need gay pride parades?' question. I was asked that by someone once and they walked away after minute asking why they'd just been to a St Patricks Day parade a few days earlier. Odd how the Irish can have a parade and pretty much everyone loves it. The gays have one and it's all "OMG - stop pushing your lifestyle on us"...

When straight people run the risk of being fired from a job, simply because they're straight, when they run the risk of being verbally abused due to their heterosexuality, when they are refused housing, simply because they're straight, when they're denied the right to adopt children by the state, simple because they're opposite-sex parents, when they risk being MURDERED because they held hands with their opposite-sex partner, then we'll talk.

Sad...

This is a perfect explanation. But I can tell you what will happen next. Someone will quote a single sentence from this post without context, use it to point out that there's a "double standard" and then when you explain why they're wrong, they'll bring up their own ludicrous examples, and each time you debunk them, they'll change the subject slightly, and before you know it there's a whole conversation that looks like a debate when in reality it's just one person saying facts and another being a complete moron, but to anyone who isn't well-informed on these issues, it will look like a debate and they'll go away thinking "hm, both sides have points I guess, I don't know what to think" and the cycle continues.

Some on the right are incredibly skilled at saying stupid things while sounding like they're making sense. Anyone who's read this thread can see that...

 

[oldmacs]

This is what the 'don't flaunt your gayness at me' crowd don't get. My wife worked at a job once where folk had pictures of the opposite-sex partners on their desks with zero issues. After a long period of time she finally had the courage to just casually mention to someone she was married to a woman which was why she didn't have a picture of me on hers, even though they knew she was married - and she was accused by someone else of 'pushing the fact she's a lesbian'.

So, how come having pictures of an opposite-sex partner on your desk, walking down the street with a member of the opposite-sex, or having a meal with someone- of the opposite-sex is fine, but when a gay or lesbian person does it it's called 'pushing a deviant\immoral\unconvential\abnormal\disgusting\perverted lifestyle'?

Then we get the whole 'why they need gay pride parades?' question. I was asked that by someone once and they walked away after minute asking why they'd just been to a St Patricks Day parade a few days earlier. Odd how the Irish can have a parade and pretty much everyone loves it. The gays have one and it's all "OMG - stop pushing your lifestyle on us"...

When straight people run the risk of being fired from a job, simply because they're straight, when they run the risk of being verbally abused due to their heterosexuality, when they are refused housing, simply because they're straight, when they're denied the right to adopt children by the state, simple because they're opposite-sex parents, when they risk being MURDERED because they held hands with their opposite-sex partner, then we'll talk.

Sad...

This is soo so sos sos ososososoosos true.

I'm so done with 'don't push your lifestyle in my face' crowd. I didn't chose to be Gay. I really didn't, and I spent a good 6 years denying it and trying to pray it away, and it didn't work. It isn't a 'lifestyle', it is an intrinsic part of me.

The same crowd are the ones who are fine to have PDA, talk about their opposite sex relations etc, and I don't complain of that being pushed on me.

I am not in a relationship, I'm still battling through mental illness and I'm not ready yet, but if I did there is no way I'd feel confident walking down a street holding hands. I wouldn't be able to tell a great whack of my family. My Church would turn me away.

Someone on another thread told me that I didn't need to have a pride watch face because it was divisive and that I was no different to anyone else. I object to that sentiment. I am proud of the fact I wake up in the mornings, because of my sexuality a couple of years ago I considered ending it all. I'm proud to finally have accepted myself (mostly). It isn't about showing off, it is about strength and resilience and having a beacon of hope that one day, it will all be ok and I will be happy. People who aren't LGBTQI can not tell us what it is like to be the way we are.
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Since when did thinking something is wrong become the definition of discrimination?

Since it was discrimination to think it is wrong for someone to be of a certain race or gender, when there is no evidence for it.

 

[Fugabutacus]

I'm so done with 'don't push your lifestyle in my face' crowd. I didn't chose to be Gay. I really didn't, and I spent a good 6 years denying it and trying to pray it away, and it didn't work. It isn't a 'lifestyle', it is an intrinsic part of me.

The people who think being gay is a choice don't ever seem to be able to pinpoint exactly when they chose to be straight...

 

[oldmacs]

The people who think being gay is a choice don't ever seem to be able to pinpoint exactly when they chose to be straight...

I know! Frustrates me no end. Having to deal with homophobic people are all the proof we need that people don't choose to be gay.

 

[tshrimp]

Since it was discrimination to think it is wrong for someone to be of a certain race or gender, when there is no evidence for it.

Not the same thing. Race and gender is not the same thing as sexual orientation. Also, even if it where, there is no discrimination based on thought.
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The people who think being gay is a choice don't ever seem to be able to pinpoint exactly when they chose to be straight...

Please link me actual biological science showing someone is born with homosexuality embedded in DNA.

 

[oldmacs]

Not the same thing. Race and gender is not the same thing as sexual orientation. Also, even if it where, there is no discrimination based on thought.

Yeah they are - intrinsic parts of someone's being. I didn't didn't choose my race, and I didn't choose my sexuality. I really don't see any situation where someone can spend their whole life disapproving of race or sexuality and it never translating into saying/doing something based on that.

Please link me actual biological science showing someone is born with homosexuality embedded in DNA.

Would you like to advise how I am able to change my sexuality?

And also let us when you decided to be straight?

 

[TiggrToo]

Not the same thing. Race and gender is not the same thing as sexual orientation. Also, even if it where, there is no discrimination based on thought.
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Please link me actual biological science showing someone is born with homosexuality embedded in DNA.

What is it with you lot and this demanding of evidence. We've also not discovered all the causes or cures of all manner of things such as Cancer, Alzheimers and even how to cure the bloody common cold. Yet here you are demanding 'proof' of being gay is in DNA.

WHY?

Here's one back. Where's the 'straight' gene in the DNA? I mean there HAS to be one, right? Or did you CHOOSE to be straight?

We also don't yet still know exactly why left handed people ARE left handed and which gene, or set of genes in the DNA are responsible for that. You want to deny that there's left handed people out there?

 

[oldmacs]

What is it with you lot and this demanding of evidence. We've also not discovered all the causes or cures of all manner of things such as Cancer, Alzheimers and even how to cure the bloody common cold. Yet here you are demanding 'proof' of being gay is in DNA.

WHY?

Here's one back. Where's the 'straight' gene in the DNA? I mean there HAS to be one, right? Or did you CHOOSE to be straight?

We also don't yet still know exactly why left handed people ARE left handed. You want to deny that there's left handed people out there?

I agree its ridiculous.

Not only this but there is research to show that birth order has an impact on sexuality for males, there are differences in brain organisation between gay and straight males. More recently there have been suggestions epigenetics might also play a role - this is where chemical changes in the brain change the expression of genes. The point is that this stuff is very complex, but the overall consensus is that it is not down to choice, and there is research to support this.

 

[bandrews]

Not the same thing. Race and gender is not the same thing as sexual orientation. Also, even if it where, there is no discrimination based on thought.
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Please link me actual biological science showing someone is born with homosexuality embedded in DNA.

There are a f*** ton more scientific studies that suggest homosexuality is an inherent trait and not a choice than there are supporting the existence of a god yet plenty of people are happy to bet their life on one existing.

I still don't get why you even give a s***. How do equal rights for LGBT folk diminish yours?

 

[TiggrToo]

I agree its ridiculous.

Not only this but there is research to show that birth order has an impact on sexuality for males, there are differences in brain organisation between gay and straight males. More recently there have been suggestions epigenetics might also play a role - this is where chemical changes in the brain change the expression of genes. The point is that this stuff is very complex, but the overall consensus is that it is not down to choice, and there is research to support this.

Amazes me how otherwise very intelligent people choose to make some of the most crass, ignorant and arrogant arguments against the subject simply because they don't want to accept that human sexuality is fluid.

Given how varied each and every person is physically, from eye color, to hair, nose, face etc., mentally (painters, artists, singers, computer programers, writers etc.), sexual attraction (tall, short, thin, overweight, blond haired, grumpy, outdoorsy etc.) and appearance (rugged, tomboy, flamboyant etc.), it amazes me that people still accept all this but then demand that gender preference and identity be a simple binary value.

Mind...blown...

 

[tshrimp]

What is it with you lot and this demanding of evidence. We've also not discovered all the causes or cures of all manner of things such as Cancer, Alzheimers and even how to cure the bloody common cold. Yet here you are demanding 'proof' of being gay is in DNA.

WHY?

Here's one back. Where's the 'straight' gene in the DNA? I mean there HAS to be one, right? Or did you CHOOSE to be straight?

We also don't yet still know exactly why left handed people ARE left handed and which gene, or set of genes in the DNA are responsible for that. You want to deny that there's left handed people out there?

Nope, there doesn't have to be one, and that was my point. And yes, I chose to be straight.

 

[TiggrToo]

Nope, there doesn't have to be one, and that was my point. And yes, I chose to be straight.

Bull you did. You're straight the same way you are everything else.

So, there can be a gene that makes people right handed, but not left? That's essentially your argument. You've got nothing apart from arrogance. You don't like gays therefore, in your head, you don't have to accept that being gay is who they are as much as who you are.

I'm done with you. Your attitude and ignorance is, quite frankly, making me feel sick.

 

[bandrews]

Bull you did. You're straight the same way you are everything else.

So, there can be a gene that makes people right handed, but not left? That's essentially your argument. You've got nothing apart from arrogance. You don't like gays therefore, in your head, you don't have to accept that being gay is who they are as much as who you are.

I'm done with you. Your attitude and ignorance is, quite frankly, making me feel sick.

I wouldn’t bother with him. As soon as you back him into a corner with an argument he ignores you and tries to find someone else’s argument to pick apart with his flawed reasoning.

 

[tshrimp]

Bull you did. You're straight the same way you are everything else.

So, there can be a gene that makes people right handed, but not left? That's essentially your argument. You've got nothing apart from arrogance. You don't like gays therefore, in your head, you don't have to accept that being gay is who they are as much as who you are.

I'm done with you. Your attitude and ignorance is, quite frankly, making me feel sick.

Not my argument at all, but you are welcome to add to my statement if you would like.You are also welcome to call me the names you did if it makes you feel better.

Cool thing with the right/left hand thing. My nephew was given his writing utensils, eating utensils, etc. in his left hand growing up. He ended up left handed. I was right handed and foot, but through work, I have been able to become ambidextrous. So, imo, this looks to be someone of a learned response. At least in some cases.