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^^^^^^ holy dark roast! Peet's just tastes like they way over-roast their coffee to me. I just can't get into dark roast coffee. Not that it's bad.... it's just not for me.

Their espresso drinks, on the other hand, are great.



I'm sitting here, sipping my morning coffee, relaxing, and trying to figure out what to do today...... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 

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Bodum makes a single cup French press "insert": it's basically a French press without the little carafe, you just stick the thing in your coffee mug, let it brew for 4 minutes, push the plunger, and pull the insert out of the mug, leaving you with a nice mug o'coffee.

Drip coffee seems to not really exist in Europe. It probably does at Starbucks, but I'm not going into a Starbucks when I'm in Europe -- I thought the whole point of traveling was to experience something different from your usual day-to-day existence.

I'm kind of missing the cafe con leches in Madrid. I'm normally not a big milk-in-my-coffee kind of guy, but those were tasty.

I had a hard time finding really good coffee in the Netherlands, which seems to be dominated by coffee pod machines (similar to the Keurig) that make a little cup of not-quite-drip-coffee, not-quite-espresso with a odd little crema on the top. When in Amsterdam, coffee geeks should head straight to a shop called Kaldi in the Nine Streets (IIRC) area.
 
Woke up this morning thinking about this thread and my daily first coffee.
I wanted a french press.

Went to asda last night, didnt see any Keurig products/bags.

Nosmokingbandit = Im impressed with your knowledge. Thats some advanced level info there.

OutThere = in uk we dont have grinders at the supermarket....and i doubt we have mrcoffee either. About the water, we have no choice do we? we just use tap water.
Once its bolied, the germs etc are killed so its ok....


BREW A COFFEE?
WHAT DOES BREW MEAN?

in a drip? whats a drip?

Mgguy = did you have it last night? lol...drinking coffee or coke before bed is bad news. You aint gonna sleep buddy, well, unless you havnet slept in 2 days.


Alll this extra prep for making coffees like this, is good, as i need to do exercise/stretches in morning so while the coffee is gettting prepared i can use this time to stretch...perfect....


French Press would not include a grinding mechanism in teh same machine??

50 50 sounds good, but as i said, americans and uk are two different things... i dont think we have half and half....in uk....all he have is coffeemate

TO ALL MY UK PEOPLE:
WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE COFFEEMATE?????? THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE????
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF COFFEEMATE STOPPED BEING MADE??? THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT.........

Coffeemate is underground isnt it? Nobody apart from me seems to use or know about it.......

"I let a pitcher of water stand overnight before I use it for coffee. It lets all of the chemicals-at least the chlorine-evaporate out."......dude!!!! but chemicals germs get killed with boil anyway...

180 degrees F......ok
so what is boiling point temperature??

DO ESPRESSOS USE THE SAME GROUND COFFEE WE USE FOR MAKING NORMAL DRINKING COFFEE????

FIZZOID = good idea... i prefer argos though, i literally live next door....
french press is the same thing as cafetiere, right?? Yeah that seems like what i need , a french press and some ground coffee......

PODS ARE NOT A GREAT STEP UP FROM NESCAFE, ARE THEY??

But pods are ground coffee i think.
Nescafe is what? Instant coffee?? Carte noire is also like nescafe? freeze dried ?

QFT?

AHHH brew means just leave it to do its thang...

Covisio = that sounds great... thats what im gonna do....
this looks perfect:
http://www.bodum.co.uk/pages/products/productshow.asp?vFamID=10&famSubId=1001&rid=1748&idv=0
a one cup thing.....

so all these machines, are simple to grind? as the french press is not a machine mechanism is it??
french press does not require electricity does it??

Surely = lol "I'm sitting here, sipping my morning coffee, relaxing, and trying to figure out what to do today...... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" .. and in L.A? man, thats my dream life...

Silencio = that bodum insert sounds good also...im on the bodum website now......cant find it thou...but i like the bodum products....one cup presses, perfect....
Amsterdam is a great place....

What is Drip coffee?

Lone deranger = lol..that looks a little creepy!




so people, do you use milk? what else you got? all we have is mike or coffeemate....coffeemate doesnt look too healthy...man made stuff powdered....



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bodum-Travel-...66:2|39:1|72:1683|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

cant find a single cup bodum press on ebay...

these?
http://www.bodum.com/b2c/index.asp?shpId=4&id=10945-464&famId=10&famSubId=1001
what is 1.01? does that mean one cup??

3 cup bodum seems to be the smallest size? do they do single cups? or shall i just get 3 cup model?
as i guess my big mug could be 2 cups in reallity...and 1 cup surplus could be useful for seconds.........right?
SO 3 CUP MODEL IS THE ONE YEAH?
 
so people, do you use milk? what else you got? all we have is mike or coffeemate....coffeemate doesnt look too healthy...man made stuff powdered....

I don't use milk unless I'm drinking instant. Coffeemate is nasty stuff - avoid at all costs. You can use any milk you like. I know some people who swear by Soy Milk (yes, in their coffee!). I think cream or a full fat milk is considered the best. Still, black, no sugar is the way to enjoy the flavor of coffee IMHO
 
Bob2131 -

Dude, you are having some serious coffee overdose, as evidenced by your last post. That said, I like your enthusiasm with this topic and the questions you are raising. The ultimate outcome of it all will be more information on how to brew a better cup of coffee, not to mention the entertaining reading of the posts here. Thanks.

BTW, no, I didn't have that cup of coffee last night, but thanks for asking. I had an important business meeting the following morning and didn't want to risk not sleeping all night. But I made up for it this morning with a hot cup of french pressed. It cleared my head and provided a jolt of energy that is always sorely lacking for me first thing out of bed.
 
For my everyday coffee needs, I use a little four-cup drip coffee maker (four 4 oz cups, which is a little over two standard coffee mugs), and a can of Folger's. I usually drink it black, but I sometimes like it with Coffee Mate and Splenda. Makes a way better cup of coffee than anything from Starbuck's.

There are better tasting methods, but they all require time/patience/money that I don't have to spare. If I want a really good cup of coffee, I'll go out for it. Like to Tim Hortons as another poster showed. I'm in the U.S.A. by the way, and I usually have two cups in the morning and one in the evening.
 
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French Press would not include a grinding mechanism in teh same machine??

180 degrees F......ok
so what is boiling point temperature??

DO ESPRESSOS USE THE SAME GROUND COFFEE WE USE FOR MAKING NORMAL DRINKING COFFEE????

FIZZOID = good idea... i prefer argos though, i literally live next door....
french press is the same thing as cafetiere, right?? Yeah that seems like what i need , a french press and some ground coffee......
so all these machines, are simple to grind? as the french press is not a machine mechanism is it??
french press does not require electricity does it??

To answer your questions:
212 degrees F
Espresso coffee is generally a darker, stronger roast. You probably wouldn't want to drink a regular sized coffee using espresso beans, otherwise your caps lock would be permanently on ;) An 'Americano' is (depending on size) a shot of espresso topped up with hot water.
I suggested TK Maxx as I know they do quite a range of Bodum products, and as I currently work for Argos, I try and avoid there ;)
French press\cafetiere isn't electric, no. It's basically a manual filter\plunger mechanism
 
Covisio = that sounds great... thats what im gonna do....
this looks perfect:
http://www.bodum.co.uk/pages/products/productshow.asp?vFamID=10&famSubId=1001&rid=1748&idv=0
a one cup thing.....

so all these machines, are simple to grind? as the french press is not a machine mechanism is it??
french press does not require electricity does it??

You want the 0.35 litre size Bodum Brazil. However many cups they say it makes, it makes a decent sized mug. 0.35 litre = a bit bigger than a can of Coke.
You need to buy an electric grinder, of course. I use a Krups F203 bladed grinder. Still available for about £20, the design hasn't changed in 10 years plus. Mine still going strong. Okay, it's bladed but it seems to grind well and evenly. Just don't over-grind, too fine and you'll ruin the coffee.
 
I work at Tim Hortons and we just open a bag, pour into brew basket and hit start..

At home I use keurig machine. Which reminds me it's been calling me since I woke up.
 
this is still complicated to me.

I dont see the point in grinding my own beans if you can buy them already ground.

The basic rule of thumb is "the fresher the coffee, the better". Since Coffee has to be ground to be used, buying pre-ground coffee is a trade-off between convenience and "freshness" (Quality.

However, the problem with this is that the "fresher the better" rule also applies to the roasting of the coffee too. The pickiest coffee epicurians will want the beans to be both freshly roasted and freshly ground. The good news here is that if you're not too anal-retentive, plain old ground coffee from the supermarket can make an acceptable cup.

So the french press, doesnt really do anything apart from siv out the ground coffee, like a filter?

Yes. What I noticed that was missed from those otherwise very good instructions was that the "WAIT" step was missing.

Which brings us to an important point that you can appreciate from a UK perspective: in the big picture, imaking coffee is (more or less) just like making a cup of tea: there's a few important factors for making a good cup, and there's always people who can take it to an extreme to make the "best" cup.


Im gonna have to check if my supermarket sells Keurig coffee bags. If they dont, then theres no point buying that machine.
But I DONT LIKE THE SOUND OF THIS....IF A COMPANY MAKES A MACHINE, WHY DO WE HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN BRANDED COFFEE??? SURELY THEIR STRENGHT IS IN EITHER MAKING MACHINES OR PRODUCING THE COFFEE....

So less hassle and mess with Keurig, compared to french press?

There's a couple of companies that make "pod" based coffeemakers ... as you point out, there is the question of if they're a coffeemaker company first and a coffee roaster second, or vice versa. Nearly regardless of which "Pod" company you're considering, the basics are that you're conciously making a trade-off: to get a system that is (slightly) less messy and makes a reasonably reliable cup of brew (and also for 'fancy' stuff)...you're willing to spend more per cup.


jbmac, thanks, but i dont wanna be drinking espressos at home....

An expresso machine can be a dangerous hobby :)


Am I the only one who thinks those coffee pods aren't all dat? I think they taste stale and thin.

Their plain coffee is frequently pretty plain. Perhaps its because the plain stuff has been sitting around for months and isn't particularly fresh. However, another factor here is that most pre-packaged flavored coffees are merely be a means to an end in that these additives serve to cover up cheap coffee beans. Ditto for darker roasts too ... the sin of Starbucks.

Okay, call me a coffee snob, but if you want good quality stuff make it yourself and do it right. Coffee ain't the type of thing you just slap together. :rolleyes:

Actually, its not really all that hard, since there really aren't all that many variables. Assuming a good bean, good roast and correct grind, its just:

  • water temperature
  • time of exposure to the water
  • ratio of coffee to water

...which if you think about it, really isn't all that profoundly different from brewing tea.


ive opened a can of worms

Espresso makers JUST make espresso?

In simplest terms, an espresso maker is a fancy way of passing hot water through a bunch of ground coffee in a single pass. Specifically, it does this under pressure, and because of this and that its a single pass, the grind is very very fine, so it makes for a higher concentration level.

What is a filter? Single cup filter?

In simplest terms, its some sort of mechanism that prevents you from having coffee grinds in your cup of coffee. If you're only making one or two cups at a time, you probably will find a reusable filter to be preferrable to a paper filter that has to be disposed of after each use.

For example, in a french press, the "press" portion contains the metal screen which acts as the filter. After you've poured the coffee out of your press into your coffee cup, you have to then clean the press afterwords. For the most part, this means to let it cool, then take it to the kitchen sink, pull the plunger out and give it a freshwater rinse...in most households, the used coffee grounds can safely be washed down the drain (some people claim that they help keep your drains clear of grease).

YMMV if you then want to toss the french press through your automated dishwasher. I have two single-cup serve french presses, both of which are dishwasher-safe.

I THINK I like the sound of french press........

I think that's a decent place to start: its a simple device and for a single serve, quite inexpensive. Pretty much the only other equipment that you need to get started is a way to boil water (I use a glass measuring cup in the microwave), a measuring spoon (eg, 1 tablespoon), some ground coffee ... and standard supermarket pre-ground is a fine way to start ... and then a coffee cup or mug and if you choose, some sugar/milk/etc.

ground coffee is simply grinded down coffee beans into powder form???

Yes, but there's different sizes of grinds which are optimized for the coffee-making method that you're using. For example, espresso is very fine, while 'standard' (drip, percolator, press) is more coarse. From a process standpoint, the size of the grind matters in two basic ways:
1) the finer the grind, the smaller particulate that you're asking your filter to capture (filter out)
2) the finer the grind, the less time you need to have it exposed to the water to create a particular concentration or strength.

On this second point, this is again where coffee has parallels to making tea: if you want to make a stronger cup, you need to steep it for longer. However, with some coffee methods being "single pass" (eg, espresso, drip), since the coffee only gets one chance, it takes this understanding to then adjust the coffee's strength to your liking.

For example, the coffee pot in the office makes it stronger than I personally like, so I just add some plain water to my coffee cup. Of course, some coffee purists will consider this to be sacrilege.


I'd rather buy Starbucks. LOL!

YMMV. If I'm paying extra for the convenience of someone making a cup of coffee for me, as a general rule of thumb, I'll avoid Starbucks.

Part of the reason why they're selling so many "Candy" based coffees these days is because they've gone to a dark roast (that IMNSHO is indistinguishable from charcoal briquettes) in order to cover-up the cheap, low quality coffee that they're now selling. I have a neighbor who works for the company through which I get pounds upon pounds of free Starbucks whole bean. I grind it up and literally give it away...and quietly continue buy my coffee from Hans & Marsha without telling them, as I don't want to hurt my neighbor's feelings. If you want to actually taste the coffee, you shouldn't tolerate anything darker than a medium roast .. and if you're drinking for the caffeine kick, you also want to avoid darker roasts.


-hh
 
This thread is making me look at coffee machines, I can't afford one, just bought a Time Capsule yesterday!!!

OP, I used to drink nescafe, now, for instant coffee I use the blue Kenco, it's still instant crap, but it's 10x nicer than nescafe.
When I want a treat, I use a cafetiere and usually Dowe Egberts coffee (the square vacumm sealed packs in supermarkets, they cost about £2-4 depending on brand. Once opened I keep it in a clasp sealed jar (about £1 from ikea, airtight like this one http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/20975/wm/pd1205464.jpg ) to keep it relatively fresh. All of this is available in any UK supermarket!
 
YMMV. If I'm paying extra for the convenience of someone making a cup of coffee for me, as a general rule of thumb, I'll avoid Starbucks.

Part of the reason why they're selling so many "Candy" based coffees these days is because they've gone to a dark roast (that IMNSHO is indistinguishable from charcoal briquettes) in order to cover-up the cheap, low quality coffee that they're now selling. I have a neighbor who works for the company through which I get pounds upon pounds of free Starbucks whole bean. I grind it up and literally give it away...and quietly continue buy my coffee from Hans & Marsha without telling them, as I don't want to hurt my neighbor's feelings. If you want to actually taste the coffee, you shouldn't tolerate anything darker than a medium roast .. and if you're drinking for the caffeine kick, you also want to avoid darker roasts.
-hh

I think the poster was referring to Starbucks whole beans, not the "candy"-based coffees you are talking about. However, to further disagree with your point, those candy based coffees aren't based on their brewed coffee, they are based on pulled espresso shots (which are typically very dark roasted). Plus, not all of their frothed milk and espresso drinks are sweet. Those sweet drinks do well because people like sweet things. It has nothing to do with your dark roast theory- it's more to do with the giant profit margins on those latte-style drinks.

I do agree that most of the whole beans that Starbucks sells are over-roasted. However, there are a select few that are roasted quite well. Plus, they do sell some organic and free-trade beans.

I'm not trying to defend Starbucks and their corporate practices (and I don't think that this thread should be hijacked to discuss them), I just feel like you're being a tad unfair regarding the quality of their coffee. Their beans aren't all cheap- they can just sell it for cheaper because they sell such high volume (like Walmart, Target, Ikea, Amazon, etc.). It doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is poor.

I buy medium roasts from Starbucks. I can taste the subtle coffee flavors in these coffees. I am currently enjoying some Guatemala Antigua, which is quite nice.

Ask your neighbor to grab you something that is medium roasted. Try the Guatemala. But definitely NOT Pike's Place- that stuff is just awful. Also, there is a possibility that the beans they're giving him are expired or about to expire.
 
I think the poster was referring to Starbucks whole beans, not the "candy"-based coffees you are talking about.

Fair enough - I can also see that interpretation. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a Starbucks bean that I enjoy at home in my own Espresso machine.

However, to further disagree with your point, those candy based coffees aren't based on their brewed coffee, they are based on pulled espresso shots (which are typically very dark roasted). Plus, not all of their frothed milk and espresso drinks are sweet. Those sweet drinks do well because people like sweet things. It has nothing to do with your dark roast theory- it's more to do with the giant profit margins on those latte-style drinks.

Agree that it has to do with the profits. Locally, its very rare to see anyone who's merely getting a plain old coffee...their sales are overwhelmingly some espresso based variant that's often in excess of $5.

I do agree that most of the whole beans that Starbucks sells are over-roasted. However, there are a select few that are roasted quite well....I am currently enjoying some Guatemala Antigua, which is quite nice....But definitely NOT Pike's Place- that stuff is just awful.

I had been fairly benignly "live and let live" on Starbucks until some Pike's Peak back in December. Not only was it horrid tasting, but the bag was figuratively half full of broken beans and other miscellaneous scraps which thoroughly messed up my grinder.

Also, there is a possibility that the beans they're giving (me) are expired or about to expire.

The stuff I've been getting was still in virgin vac-pac, so I've honestly not paid any particular attention to expiration date. I know that I have at least one unopened bag still around, which I'll take a look at tonight; I'm just finishing up some Lavazza "Super Crema" which was a pleasingly light roast...now I know why I enjoy the cafes in Rome so much! :)


-hh
 
Fair enough - I can also see that interpretation. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a Starbucks bean that I enjoy at home in my own Espresso machine.

I drink their French Roast and Sumatra. Around here, there ain't many places you can get fresh coffee. Whole bean is at times even hard to get.
 
OutThere = in uk we dont have grinders at the supermarket....and i doubt we have mrcoffee either. About the water, we have no choice do we? we just use tap water.
Once its bolied, the germs etc are killed so its ok....

So you can buy preground coffee at the store, or get a cheap blade grinder (like a short blender). No real need for a burr grinder which will be expensive. And I guarantee you that you can buy a Mr Coffee equivalent in the UK, even if they don't have the particular brand.

While there's definitely some good advice in this thread I think most of it is more complicated and expensive than what you really want to do. As for the water....if it tastes funny coming out of the tap you can use a Brita or Pur filter to make it taste better. It's not germs so much as chlorine and other stuff that make it taste bad.
 
For the warmer months I recommend:

1. A strong or espresso blend.
2. Condensed Milk.
3. Ice.

Stir all together and chill. Super strong and sweet - will definitely get you going. Sometimes known as vietnamese coffee.
 
If you want good coffee relatively uncomplicated, go with either a French press or a stovetop vacuum pot. While I love coffee made with an espresso machine using one and maintaining it is a bit of a nightmare for newbies.
 
what a thread......

Im finding whole fat milk makes the coffee more white with less milk, in comparison to semi skimmed.
Im getting exited now for the bodum press.

Brew just means to let it sit in water?

So espresso beans are diff to regualr coffee beans?

Yes im not going argos now, dont like their stuff.
Bodum website her i come.

"French press\cafetiere isn't electric, no. It's basically a manual filter\plunger mechanism".

ABOUT STRENGTH AND TASTE
Is this correct?:
- if you want stronger coffee, you use MORE coffee
.........so whats this about the wait time, brew time, does this just affect the taste? and nothing to do with strenth?

With Tea, the longer we leave the tea bag in the hot water and sqeeze it around with a spoon, the stronger the tea is.........

When i used to make nescafe, i used to use around one and half spoons of coffee (strong) (one cup) ....but now im using the ground coffee "tea bags"...im finding the TASTE MUCH BETTER...but i find myself having two cups....maybe thats cause one is not strong enough? .....

strength of caffienne is in the volume of coffee and not the waiting time??

-hh = im impressed and greatful for that in depth response. So i boil the water in a kettle, and let the water cool down for a few seconds before making the coffee?

"the grind is very very fine, so it makes for a higher concentration level."
So the more finer the coffee is grounded, the more like an espresso is the effect/result?

Microwave to boil water? I thought hob was always the recommended and safe way to heat water to be drunk...? Kettle is what i use..electric kettle.....

So course ground coffee = normal coffee
Finely grinded coffee = espresso

I dont think i wanna drink instant coffee ever again.
Instant coffee is just that stuff you add water to and youre ready to drink?

Shinymac = Yes you are right!!! Apple are like Keurig (sic)

SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIND ONE OR TWO OF THE CORRECT WAYS TO MAKE COFFEE WITH FRENCH PRESS ON YOUTUBE AND POST LINK HERE.
IVE JUST SEEN SOME BAD ONES.
or if anyone wants to film a short vid of how they make their coffee and youtube it, that would be good too.
 
I wanna drink coffee like winston wolf drinks coffee in pulp fiction at the end, you know????? they say its expensive gourmet stuff......

As soon as I hit this bit I remembered back to an old thread ;) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/654507/

Just an observation is all.

But on topic we have a Senseo, though I rarely ever drink coffee (used to when I worked at a pub). But I think I'm sensitive to caffeine so I don't have it often at all.
 
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