Comments on Workout usage

Discussion in 'Apple Watch' started by BD1, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. BD1, Apr 24, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2015

    BD1 macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    For those of you that are interested in the workout capabilities, I did 3 different workouts today. Overall I am pleased with the capabilities but there is room for improvement/enhancements (as expected). I have used other fitness bands (mio fuse, fitbit charge hr) and have used a hr chest monitor.

    I did tighten the strap one notch before each workout. I have a Sport model.

    I did 45 minutes with a mix of steady and high intensity intervals and the results were very close to what I get from my chest strap. Avg HR was exactly the same. Calories on the AW were a little less but Apple calorie algorithms might be better than other apps with all the recent research they did. But not sure about this, just guessing.

    One thing to note about calorie reporting. While doing the workout the AW reports 'active' calories so when I was comparing calories it seemed to be underreporting to what I expected. But when I looked at the final workout results in the activity app it reports active and resting (metabolic) calories. The total of these two were close to what I have been getting from the chest strap. For example, Apple showed 298 active cal and 83 resting cal for 381 total. I was expecting low 400's.

    While doing the workout I liked how you can just lift your wrist to get current workout results.

    Also, my elliptical has moving arms and the watch face did not turn on with the back and forth which I was wondering how this would work. Same with running. Screen stays off unless you lift to look at it.

    P90X Weight Workout:

    I did 30 minutes recording this as "Other". When you start other is says it calcs calories about the same as a brisk walk. It did not seem to regularly record HR. Maybe because it is "Other". But calories were pretty close to chest strap. I am going to do my next Weight exercise as an inside run or walk to see if that continuously records HR.

    I would like to see Apple add direct support for weight lifting workouts in the future.

    Outside Run:

    I did a 30 minute run but had some problems at first. I was using a new plantronics bluetooth backbeat fit headset. I got very erratic HR readings. Unrealistically high HR. So I stopped and turned off the headset. Then started a new run. Then my HR results were what I expected. And it started to rain. No issues with the water on the watch.

    I had the plantronics paired to my iPhone. Maybe I need to also pair it to the watch? Not sure that is how to set it up. Will play around with that tomorrow.

    Workout Reporting:

    I would like Apple to add a HR graph for the workout results in the Activity iPhone app.

    And Apple could add more status to the workout summary (like max HR).

    You can view HR data in the Health app. There is also a graph but it doesn't give you detail for the workouts. But you can view every HR data point (including the 10 minute all day HR readings) in the Health app and I was able to delete the erratic HR data from the first part of my run. I wonder if there are any iPhone apps that use the health HR data to show the data in a more helpful manner?

    And lastly, Battery Usage: the 45 min Elliptical workout used 11% points (65 to 54) and the Outside Run used 9% points (32 to 23). I was worried that the HR recording would use much more battery life.

    I know this is a long post but hopefully it is helpful for those interested in the fitness capabilities.

    Overall, the Apple Watch seems like it will really fit my needs for the type of workouts I do. It's not perfect but better than other fitness devices I have used.
  2. lk400 macrumors 6502a

    Aug 26, 2012
    Thank you for taking the time to post this. Some good ideas there. Did you post these suggestions to apple? I too would like support for weight training!
  3. BD1 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    You are welcome.

    Not yet, but I plan to send them some feedback. I would like to spend a few more days with it doing a few more workouts. But I will send them feedback.
  4. 8CoreWhore macrumors 68020


    Jan 17, 2008
    Big D
    Apple needs to make the heart rate data available to developers through WatchKit. Once they do, lots of fitness apps will tap into that.

    In the meantime, we need current apps that show HR on the iPhone (using strap) to at least show us that data on the Watch.

    So the Watch won;t do any HR coaching, but if you know what range you want to be in, just check the Watch occasionally.
  5. Leeabe macrumors member

    Apr 25, 2015
    They already have access to it. Heart rate is already in HealthKit. Developers don't take advantage of it. Companies like Fitbit want you to do everything through their products/website so they don't use HealthKit.
  6. Fortimir macrumors 6502a


    Sep 5, 2007
    Indianapolis, IN
    I have Cyclemeter setup to retrieve heart rate data from HealthKit, and HealthKit gets it from the Apple Watch.
  7. BD1 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    I have Runmeter (basically same app). Can you explain how this would work?
    Are you using the Workout app on your watch or the Cyclometer app on your watch to start/stop a workout? If you are, how is it capturing your HR?

    Or are you using the Apple workout app and then using Cyclometer to look at the shared HR results? I have looked for this in the app can cannot find a way to do this.

  8. jst1nt macrumors regular


    Sep 16, 2014
    Albany, NY

    How accurate was the distance calculation? I went for my long run today and had both the MapMyRun app running and the run app on the apple watch and found that the watch wasn't as accurate as MapMyRun
  9. BD1 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    Not sure because I stopped and started my run mid stream. I will check tomorrow and report back.
  10. rosshm16 macrumors newbie

    Apr 10, 2015
    I have a Sport and have used it on two runs, a 3.5-miler yesterday (outdoors) and a 7.5-miler today (treadmill). In both cases the distance from the watch's Workout app was about 4% under the usual things I use for distance measuring ( when outdoors and just the distance reading on the treadmill when indoors).

    Not bad if you ask me!
  11. tearsen macrumors member

    Nov 26, 2014
    I'd also be very interested in how you get the heart rate measured from the apple watch displayed in cyclemeter. I've switched on "get heart rate from Health" in cyclemeter but no Info is shown
  12. Julien macrumors G4


    Jun 30, 2007
    It was not too good today for me. I went on a 12 mile run using my Garmin 620. My :apple:Watch w/iPhone only said 11.6 miles. I even used the Nike+ App on my iPhone and it was correct.
  13. ukms macrumors regular


    Apr 21, 2015
    Dubai, UAE
    How much was it out by ?
  14. jst1nt macrumors regular


    Sep 16, 2014
    Albany, NY
    Off by about a mile so that means off by about .05 miles per mile.. which adds up when you do twenty
  15. kinster macrumors 65816


    Nov 6, 2006
    It'll be third party developers who will get the chance to develop things further.
  16. boy-better-know macrumors 65816

    Jun 30, 2010
    OP, appreciate you taking the time to post your thoughts. Nice to see a well structured and thought out post.

    I havent used mine for a workout yet. I love my Nike+ tomton GPS watch too much. It does everything I need minus heart rate.
  17. betabeta macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2013
    I found the same thing.
    I don't think the watch is taking the data from the phone which uses GPS and the phones motion which has always been perfect and spot on.

    Now with the watch I'm finding issues, with step count/ distance.
    I'm using walkmeter/runmeter and it uses GPS, steps and even my run step length. I'm getting different numbers on my step count from each now, even when I carry my phone.
  18. gregsapphire macrumors member

    Jun 22, 2014
    I went for a run a little while ago in my neighborhood. The route it 1.9 miles. Apple Watch while using the outdoor run selection and said 0.86 miles. More than half the actual distance. All the data was incorrect, aside from the time it took me. I was wearing bluetooth headphones at the time, not sure if that interfered with the data or not. But overall with fitness tracking I'm a little disappointed. It didn't seem to be using the iPhones GPS to calculate the distance.
  19. ElctrcJellyfish macrumors member

    Apr 20, 2015
    In terms of GPS distance: I went for an "outdoor walk" with my Watch yesterday, with my husband wearing his Suunto Peak. Our watches were within 0.01 miles for a 5.13 mile walk.

    It would be weird if the outdoor walk uses GPS differently than the outdoor run. Huh.
  20. Sphyrna macrumors regular

    Jul 9, 2008
    I went for a 40 minute walk outside today and wasn't pleased with the experience. The readings from the HRM seemed quite a bit lower than what I usually get from my chest strap. I was also having bluetooth issues. My BT headphones would cut in and out. My chest strap HRM seemed like it would only give a reading if my digifit app was open. i'll have to see how it goes tomorrow.
  21. Trhodezy macrumors regular

    Dec 29, 2010
    Thank you so much for posting this and taking the time to do so, great stuff.
  22. BD1 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    Today I did a stair climber workout and another elliptical. The HR results match my prior chest strap results very closely. So I plan to keep my AW. Fitness and HR monitoring were my primary reasons to buy it. Overall I enjoy the Apple Activity monitoring and Workout app.

    Calories are consistently lower than my chest strap recordings but I can live with that. Maybe Apple has new, more accurate algorithms or they need to adjust them. It's just a new baseline to manage to but I would like to hear more details from Apple how they determined all this including resting calories for the day which seem too high (this has been commented on in other threads).

    That said, there is a lot that Apple and developers can do to improve the reporting which I'm sure will come with time.

    Tomorrow I will do another outside run and am curious if the distance will match what I expect as others have reported some differences.
  23. craigo14 macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2014
    Are you guys using the sport or the S/S with sport band?
  24. BD1 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    Sport for me. I tighten it up 1 notch before a workout to help with HR monitoring.
  25. Uppercut05 macrumors regular

    Apr 19, 2015
    I just completed a 36km run with the watch (42m Sport) using the apple workout on the watch and mapmyrun on my phone.

    I was super impressed with the watch and workout app. It was almost exactly in line with my mates GPS Garmin watch, and it was so easy to use. I love it.

    Also, it absolutely pissed down for about half the run. I couldn't have been wetter. No issues whatsoever. Based on that I have no doubt you could wear the watch in the shower (but I still won't).

    Very, very impressed.

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