The new 13.5" Surface Book 3 can be configured with a NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 with Max-Q Design w/4GB GDDR5 graphics memory (on Intel® i7-1065G7 models).
Sorry, but there's no excuse for the future 14" MBP not getting a dedicated GPU.👍
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Comparing the 13-Inch MacBook Pro to the MacBook Air and iPad Pro
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Sorry, but there's no excuse for the future 14" MBP not getting a dedicated GPU.👍
Is it fair to compare geekbench score between devices running different OSs with completely different UIs, etc? I ask not knowing how geekbench works. Regardless, I always take these scores with a grain of salt, as I do with most spec-driven arguments.
I would have liked to see a comparison of battery life. And include the Air i5. Decisions, decisions...
I think you did fine. Not a MacBook Air owner myself, but shopping around and seeing comparison videos between all models and cross category (pro and iMacs too). For most heavy-ish sustained tasks the i5 doesn’t really perform better, it gets thermal throttled badly and sometimes even ends up taking longer in the more potentially powerful setups.
That being said, having used them before, they are neat light machines.
The iPad Pro export times makes me want an ARM MBP so much. With the 3.5mm jack and all four USB4 ports. Not sure if it can scale up to handle that many lanes so I’m not holding my breath for it.
For someone that doesn’t need a lot of storage (like me), an i5, 16G RAM, 256GB MacBook Air looks like a good deal at $1,299.
As long as it’s not an NVIDIA GPU...however, if the Xe iGPU performs as predicted and as the rumors are showing it does, a discrete GPU really won’t be necessary.
The base Macbook Pro is not really a "Pro" device. I am not saying it's a bad laptop, it's not, I think it's very good but it does not deserve the "Pro" moniker as it's not particularly powerful, less than the average laptop out there since it as older components.
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Bye the way, speaking of power, I still have my 2011 Macbook Air and it compiles code faster than the iPad Pro.
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Bye the way, speaking of power, I still have my 2011 Macbook Air and it compiles code faster than the iPad Pro.
Yeah but I still can’t write a paper or thesis on an iPad because word is nerfed, the file system is nerfed and generally I can do it all faster, easier and more accurately on a Mac to say the least. Get over the iPad V Mac argument. Tablets were never due to replace the Mac. Remember how Jobs introduced them... between an iPhone and Mac.....
BOOM.
BOOM.
I've done "serious" work with my iPad, but it wasn't easy. Yes, I got it done (creating a magazine) but it took longer than if I had done it on my Mac. Some of that might be the learning curve. I assume if I worked exclusively on the iPad, I'd get better at it. But most of my regular work is in Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro, neither of which have yet made it to the iPad. I guess I could use Garage Band and iMovie if I really wanted to put the time in. But with 4k video and long audio projects, I'd need a big external hard drive to store everything on, and that's not yet feasible with an iPad (unless I wanted to keep transferring files back and forth).
clearly it’s not for you but guess what, people have different needs and when it comes to the general public’s typical use cases and needs you’re in a very tiny minority...
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These kinds of comparisons in my view are missing the point and youtubers should get their perspectives checked.
Take for instance the reviewers case. I bet that all his editing is done on that Desktop behind. Given this why would he buy another computer that does precisely the same thing that not only offer a worst experience on the desk but also it’s far slower? Its all hypothetical!
People are so psyched about laptops that forget that an $800 Desktop Computer ouperforms by 3.5 to 1 against a $3200 laptop both at peak loads and sutanable loads (keep that high performance for much longer)... And its more resilient to component aging ....
Now take this proper way of accounting ...
$1340 for the iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard (if you will)
$800 for a Desktop PC
= $2150
And you have the best performance possible. Far more than mine MacBook Pro 16” with 32GB for $3000 and more flexible solution.
What if I’m out and I need to edit 4K in ways not possible in the iPad Pro because apps still lack certain features? One need to ask one self, do you need that really that often when out and about? Or is that a need or a nice to have? You know, like those people that when to go on holidays need to take the entire worthrope otherwise feel unsafe.
If you conclude after all this, even if one already have a Desktop Computer somewhere, that you actually need those features quite often while out and about than ... go for it.
I’m a software dev. I divide what I do in two big activity groups:
- Heavy lifting tasks: such as coding, scripting, testing, debuggin managing cloud services and data center
- Management and Support Tasks: Business management, project planing and management, documentation, team leadership, presentations, meeting, blog posts ....
I’ve found that with the iPad Pro I can do all of the second at the same level as on a laptop if not better at cases. The first, of course can’t do. Still mostely when out of the office and about don’t really engage into this heavy lifting tasks. Even on business trips. And when if for some urgent need I do, I simply remote to Desktop Computer (Jump Desktop) and access more performance than I would have with a maxed out laptop for much less money. Now this might not work for video editing, most people do not make 4K videos for a living!
I wish Apple extended SideCar features to work over the Internet with the iPad Pro. A Back to My Mac tool baked in iPad OS and macOS.
If you see the iPad Pro something between a Phone and a Desktop PC, designed not to replace anything but complement both with mobile computing features while out of the work desk, as well as an extention to both when in proximity than you actually get what are the core design values of this product. You will see that questions “Can the iPad Pro replace the laptop?” entirely miss the point from a productivity and cost perspective.
Cheers.
Take for instance the reviewers case. I bet that all his editing is done on that Desktop behind. Given this why would he buy another computer that does precisely the same thing that not only offer a worst experience on the desk but also it’s far slower? Its all hypothetical!
People are so psyched about laptops that forget that an $800 Desktop Computer ouperforms by 3.5 to 1 against a $3200 laptop both at peak loads and sutanable loads (keep that high performance for much longer)... And its more resilient to component aging ....
Now take this proper way of accounting ...
$1340 for the iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard (if you will)
$800 for a Desktop PC
= $2150
And you have the best performance possible. Far more than mine MacBook Pro 16” with 32GB for $3000 and more flexible solution.
What if I’m out and I need to edit 4K in ways not possible in the iPad Pro because apps still lack certain features? One need to ask one self, do you need that really that often when out and about? Or is that a need or a nice to have? You know, like those people that when to go on holidays need to take the entire worthrope otherwise feel unsafe.
If you conclude after all this, even if one already have a Desktop Computer somewhere, that you actually need those features quite often while out and about than ... go for it.
I’m a software dev. I divide what I do in two big activity groups:
- Heavy lifting tasks: such as coding, scripting, testing, debuggin managing cloud services and data center
- Management and Support Tasks: Business management, project planing and management, documentation, team leadership, presentations, meeting, blog posts ....
I’ve found that with the iPad Pro I can do all of the second at the same level as on a laptop if not better at cases. The first, of course can’t do. Still mostely when out of the office and about don’t really engage into this heavy lifting tasks. Even on business trips. And when if for some urgent need I do, I simply remote to Desktop Computer (Jump Desktop) and access more performance than I would have with a maxed out laptop for much less money. Now this might not work for video editing, most people do not make 4K videos for a living!
I wish Apple extended SideCar features to work over the Internet with the iPad Pro. A Back to My Mac tool baked in iPad OS and macOS.
If you see the iPad Pro something between a Phone and a Desktop PC, designed not to replace anything but complement both with mobile computing features while out of the work desk, as well as an extention to both when in proximity than you actually get what are the core design values of this product. You will see that questions “Can the iPad Pro replace the laptop?” entirely miss the point from a productivity and cost perspective.
Cheers.
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It's all about using the right tool for the job isn't it?
That said, I do wish Apple could find some clever way of putting Final Cut and Logic on the iPad Pro. It's clearly got the grunt. Storage space might be an issue, particularly with video editing but I'm sure Apple could find a clever way to deal with it using proxies or something.
That said, I do wish Apple could find some clever way of putting Final Cut and Logic on the iPad Pro. It's clearly got the grunt. Storage space might be an issue, particularly with video editing but I'm sure Apple could find a clever way to deal with it using proxies or something.
iPads are getting better at several things but you can't code on them and it's a waste of time trying. I think the OS needs a couple more iterations before it can really be taken seriously as a workhorse or coding machine.
I have last year’s iPad Pro and love it...except..I cannot use it for mailmerge AT ALL! I have to pull out my unreliable 11 year old Air to do that sort of work. Why is that? I am now saving up for a new Air JUST so I can do more with MS Office. So make sure you‘re buying the best machine for MS Office and the way you use it. Mac tends to not discuss the ‘bugs’ with MS Office and their offic suite doesn’t do mailmerge either.
So why are we comparing an iPad to a Macbook in the first place then?
Bringing up development and capability is absolutely fair game, especially since people try to pass off iPads as capable versatile devices (which they’re not.)
Need a device to read or do some basic typing, drawing or note taking, or to use some specific apps? iPad
Need a device to create documents, develop, work or do any sort of extended editing? Mac.
Two different devices. No matter how many people on here claim an iPad is a laptop replacement, it’s not.
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Apple’s strategy is that there is a device they sell for whatever situation you are in, and when that situation changes, so too does the device. This differs from Microsoft’s Surface Pro and Book line where they’re trying to be one device for every situation (flixeible) at the expensve of optimisation (touch and Apps on Windows 10 is still no where near as good as iOS vs macOS).
Not sure I’ll ever buy a MacBook Pro again. I’ll replace my iPad Pros with another iPad Pro. If I absolutely have to have another laptop, I’ll buy a very base MBA.
I didn't quote anybody, so clearly anyone with a bit of intelligence should know that I wasn't telling everyone not to purchase iPad simply because it doesn't suit my need...
I'm only stating the fact that, with all the preparation done (multitasking, fast cpu), they should either simply open up more possibilities. It's perfect to dev on iPad with docker in arm cpu that gets to deploy to arm instance on the cloud! Also, like you stated, I've heard about the Xcode rumour... ... I just can't wait til the day it comes!
Do you know how difficult it is to always need to carry heavy laptop while traveling around the world or on a beach when production alert hit? I even had to address a client issue at FL350 once... Taking a 15" MBP out from overhead bin and fix a bug in premium economy space isn't really ideal... Imagine if I can do that on an iPad...
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Better to compare price/performance between 2020 Macbook Air with low end i5 processor and 2020 13" Macbook Pro low end i5 processor. You get your answer.
In my openion, without 14" screen,WiF6,etc; the new 13" macbook pro is yesterday's tech at today's price.
In my openion, without 14" screen,WiF6,etc; the new 13" macbook pro is yesterday's tech at today's price.
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Yeah, there are far better options for coders. It’s like a farmer complaining how difficult it is to tend crops on a Tesla compared to a tractor.
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Bravo.
As someone who has to use a PC, having a desktop and iPad pro (as well as an iPhone) has both improved and simplified my workflow immensely. I use the PC for most of work, and the ipad for all the light weight stuff - travel and meetings (pre-covid)and even some gaming with the kids.
I've shed my OSX devices to others in my workplace and don't miss it (my ipad pro replaces the brilliant 12" retina macbook, which I would have gladly upgraded).
Also worth mentioning, without a whimper, the ipad pro/pencil has completely killed my use of paper notebooks. I have all of them with me all the time now and new notes are easy to file.
I always feel a bit of an eyeroll when I hear that the newest Macbook Air is good for email, documents, and web surfing, as though that's all it's really good for. My 2012 MacBook Air can also do those things just fine. A 2020 Apple laptop can do a LOT. I just find it funny how every year they say the same thing, as though the demands of email and web browsing have increased as much as computer power over all these years.