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I tried the Sony XM4 and the Airpods Max this morning. Both sound very similar and ABSOLUTELY great. (base and mids sound slightly better on the XM4). However, there is a huge difference in price and I just cannot justify the €629 price tag ($770 EU price). If you care about the materials, the AirPods are clearly better and feel more premium, but is that worth the extra €300?
You decide... ;)

I think most audiophiles won’t even buy any of these headphones, but if they do, without doubt the XM4 is the better option.
 
I tried the Sony XM4 and the Airpods Max this morning. Both sound very similar and ABSOLUTELY great. (base and mids sound slightly better on the XM4). However, there is a huge difference in price and I just cannot justify the €629 price tag ($770 EU price). If you care about the materials, the AirPods are clearly better and feel more premium, but is that worth the extra €300?
You decide... ;)

I think most audiophiles won’t even buy any of these headphones, but if they do, without doubt the XM4 is the better option.
Agreed.
 
As a Sony mx4 owner and total Sony bluetooth shill, I'd have liked to have seen more discussion about how the AirPods Max compare to the Sony's major faults -- namely, the time it takes to turn on and connect, to switch between noise canceling modes and the UX for switching between devices, such as phone and laptop.

I'm not a headphone miser -- I currently own Audeze LCD-XCs, Oppo PM-1s and a pair of electrostatic headphones, but have also owned flagships from Grado, Audio Technica and Sennheiser -- and to me, the AirPods Max price isn't ludicrous if it sounds and works as good as it looks. The build quality and materials on the Sony are just laughably bad for $275, and a colorful all aluminum and steel build would be easily worth an extra $200. That's the difference in price between AudioTechnica's ATH-A900 and ATH-W900, which are the same headphone except the A900 is plastic and the W900 is gorgeous wood.

But to truly be worth the money, I'd also expect the AirPods to solve my user experience woes. To be on as soon as I put them on my ears, and to be able to figure out which of 2-5 devices I'd like to listen to with a minimum of fuss. As an example: with the Sony, if I'm connected to my laptop, even if it's in sleep the headphones want to continue to communicate with the laptop. So if I want to use my phone, unless I want to open the laptop and manually disconnect, I either need to start bluetooth pairing on the Sony (involves turning off and turning back on with a long hold, about 15 seconds) while forgetting the device on the phone and waiting for it to show up again.

Or I can take a walk. Far enough away that the bluetooth connection fails, like to my garage from the house. I've seriously done this rather than boot and log into my work laptop. Connectivity issues have caused me to miss out on important parts of meetings and even fumble meetings I've lead. Having this bulletproof would be worth $100 easy.

I'm also a little nervous about a $550 headphone that relies on so much on solving audio problems in software. My whole life I've had vendors tell me they've solved a problem with better acoustic modeling only to find the end result is worse than simply using a more powerful amplifier design, or a bigger and more efficient driver (this is why I'm so into planar magnetics and electro statics, driver designs that just don't sound like moving coil). The Airpods look to have very small amplifiers and output capacitors, a relatively small driver and a very straightforward style, something I'd expect from $150 Sennheisers. It's just easier to get good sound from quality components than from software magic...but then, a few years ago i'd have said the same about big optics and large sensors for photography. Did Apple do for sound what they did for images? At the moment, no review I've seen is competent enough to really make that case.

It's troubling that this review gave the ANC nod to the Sony, not for any lacking of the Sony (the ANC is simply incredible, you've just got to try them) but because I'd expect Apple's engineers to have put a lot of energy into the ANC problem. If they can't beat Sony on this stage, I'm worrier about all that software going in to modeling other aspects of sound. Including spatial audio, which if it worked well would be worth another $100 easily -- this is another feature I've been sold by audio software vendors since probably 1996 and I've never found it to be very good.

The commentary about the headphone case I don't agree with. I've got big headphone cases (google the case for the LCD-XC, it looks like it should hold a handgun) and the thing about them is as protective as they are, you don't actually use them. They just take up too much space, something that's a premium with commuters. Instead you just fold up your phones and chuck them in your laptop messenger, where they bounce around with keys and pens and notepads. The minimal case for the Airpods, doofy as it is (face it, it's a headphone bra), might actually get used, meaning that aluminum is going to stay unscratched longer than my Sonys.

It'd also be nice to know if the Airpods worked in freezing temperatures, because the Sony do not. They start glitching out under 35º.

Finally: I find it very odd that the coloration of the AirPods Max follows the iPad line -- not the iPhone line. I'd love a headphone to match my Pacific Blue iPhone Pro and would pay a premium for it. Yes I'm that vain. Duh, I'm an audiophile.
 
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I don’t see how it’s a fair comparison, the AirPods handily win IMO. Even if we set aside “sound quality,” which is entirely relative to the listener, the Max still wins. Let’s be honest, no one thinks these sound bad, we all know the audio is stellar. My reasoning for the Max comes down to the list below:

The Best Transparency Mode.
Premium Design.
Top Notch ANC.
Amazing Spatial Audio.
Modular Ear Cushions.
Dual H1 Chips.
Superior Mic Quality.
Settings/Configuration Built Into IOS/iPadOS.
Guaranteed Software Support.
Multi Device Switching.
Or for balance

Far heavier
No fast charging
Significantly shorter battery life
No hi-resolution audio
No EQ adjustment
No ability to fold
No cables included
No adjustable ANC
No means of switching them off
Far inferior warranty
No case (essentially)
Far more expensive
 
I tried the Sony XM4 and the Airpods Max this morning. Both sound very similar and ABSOLUTELY great. (base and mids sound slightly better on the XM4). However, there is a huge difference in price and I just cannot justify the €629 price tag ($770 EU price). If you care about the materials, the AirPods are clearly better and feel more premium, but is that worth the extra €300?
You decide... ;)

I think most audiophiles won’t even buy any of these headphones, but if they do, without doubt the XM4 is the better option.
You might think you know what audiophiles value , and if did read up on them you would know that XM4 are considered "bad" at SQ , while the APM are getting amazing feedback from the users again talking about sound quality not about cases or what not , feel free (again posting this... sorry everyone who already saw it) , to track the thread here :

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/airpods-max.949152/page-26

You can read some Audio engineers reviews online which giving APM high praise , if you can justify the cost or not is a different matter , but no need to speak for the audiophiles community and make a bogus claim "I think most audiophiles won’t even buy any of these headphones, but if they do, without doubt the XM4 is the better option."
 
I realize it is not the competition but a lot of us own Beats Studio 3 Wireless. Why not include them in the comparison.
 
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I’ve ordered a pair to see for myself, unfortunately not arriving until February. One downside is that apple seems to charge at time of order and not time of shipping... meaning they are sitting on the 550 for several months until I finally get my pair
nope, your card will be charged only at shipping time
 
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Not everyone messes with EQ all day. I want to...you know...just listen to music? If I spend hours tweaking EQ that is hours not using the headphones. Most people that I know that mess with EQ just makes the bass ungodly overpowering the whole song.
Thankfully I’m not ‘everyone’ and can spend a few minutes selecting equalizer settings that suit my needs. It’s also prudent to listen to music while selecting your settings. I understand your point, but i want to be clear that i’m not that type. I have been an AirPod user for a few years now, and didnt realize how much i missed more accurate control over the settings of what my music sounds like. And frankly it is a valid concern that a pair of headphones that cost over 500 dollars have no true analog audio in and no true way to customize the equalization settings. The XM4’s and Bose 700’s are the two headphones most compared with the new Air Pod Max’s. Thats because they are the closest in terms of specs. And yet the price disparity remains. The defenders of the price keep pointing to more expensive headphones, yet these Apple headphones aren’t in that league. It’s remarkable, for a fanboy of apple such as myself, to finally hit that threshold where even I must admit Apple is taking us on a ride with these ’Max’ headphones and their tone deaf pricing.
 
Damn been going back and forth for 4 hours. I think the apples sound a bit better. Screw it im keeping both.
 
Thankfully I’m not ‘everyone’ and can spend a few minutes selecting equalizer settings that suit my needs. It’s also prudent to listen to music while selecting your settings. I understand your point, but i want to be clear that i’m not that type. I have been an AirPod user for a few years now, and didnt realize how much i missed more accurate control over the settings of what my music sounds like. And frankly it is a valid concern that a pair of headphones that cost over 500 dollars have no true analog audio in and no true way to customize the equalization settings. The XM4’s and Bose 700’s are the two headphones most compared with the new Air Pod Max’s. Thats because they are the closest in terms of specs. And yet the price disparity remains. The defenders of the price keep pointing to more expensive headphones, yet these Apple headphones aren’t in that league. It’s remarkable, for a fanboy of apple such as myself, to finally hit that threshold where even I must admit Apple is taking us on a ride with these ’Max’ headphones and their tone deaf pricing.
And that is fine. We can do and like different things. But I do not know anyone that messes with the EQ other than to overly emphasize bass which IMO makes the songs absolutely horrible.
 
Makes sense to compare the Apple with the Sony, not so much the Senns, which besides being two generations old already, aren't quite the same thing. They're headphones with excellent sound for the price that also have some active noise cancelation. The other two somewhat reverse that priority, with excellent ANC at some cost to the sound.

That, at least, is the consensus of reviews I've seen. I only have the Senns, gen 3, so I can't compare myself, but they do sound very nice.
 
You might think you know what audiophiles value , and if did read up on them you would know that XM4 are considered "bad" at SQ , while the APM are getting amazing feedback from the users again talking about sound quality not about cases or what not , feel free (again posting this... sorry everyone who already saw it) , to track the thread here :

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/airpods-max.949152/page-26

You can read some Audio engineers reviews online which giving APM high praise , if you can justify the cost or not is a different matter , but no need to speak for the audiophiles community and make a bogus claim "I think most audiophiles won’t even buy any of these headphones, but if they do, without doubt the XM4 is the better option."
I have been following this thread as well and the APM is not getting praised by all the members.

However, a lot of them do praise the Bose, Sennheiser and the Sony when it comes to SQ.
The so called "Audio engineers" on that forum also call the Airpods Max 'Beats' for Apple folks.

Cherry picking doesn’t solve the problem here... :)
 
Still going back and forth. I prefer the Sony but the AirPods sound better. No contest.
 

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"That said, all of the headphones except the AirPods Max have adjustable EQ settings". of course there is the EQ function in Apple Music and Spotify, that seems available for any audio output, also third party apps have EQ functions. also the AirPods Max dynamically sample the audio produced and adjust it to how it is supposed to sound - so accuracy! yah, there is that.
No that’s the opposite of accuracy. Neutral headphones are used for accuracy so they don’t change the sound. What you’re describing is a pair of headphones where you can’t ever hear what you were intended to hear by the person who created the track because Apple are futzing with it dynamically. You can’t even set them to your preference because they’re dynamically changing. That’s not a good thing for people who like sound it’s a good thing for dumb consumers.
 
I don’t think Sony offers Spatial Auido, though. Now that I have it with the AirPods Pro, I would like to have a nice pair of hp that offered the ability. At the moment, the AirMax is overpriced for my buying trigger.
They do, I have it on my sp800n headphones. Was it so much trouble to look this up?
 
And that is fine. We can do and like different things. But I do not know anyone that messes with the EQ other than to overly emphasize bass which IMO makes the songs absolutely horrible.
Well I’m Anthony. Nice to meet you :). Now you know someone who does not mess with the EQ just to add bass. Mostly I adjust the low mid’s and mid highs. The problem with a lot of default EQ settings is they boost sound, which can be artificial. Typically you want to cut a select few frequencies to get the desired sound, not boost. I actually agree bass heavy boosts, especially the Apple ’bass boost’ setting, is terrible. Sound is an entirely personal preference, as is comfort of weight and form factor, or even design prowess. Judging headphones then in a public forum is always tricky business.

I think my main concern is honestly that this product, along with the Mag Safe Duo charger, and leather sleeve for the iPhone 12, are 3 products in a short time that honestly seem so overpriced and badly designed that I worry about Apple a bit moving forward.
 
Since you surely will find people who will say that a pair of $50 headphones sounds better than high-end $1000 ones, reviews and comparisons of headphones are one of the dumbest things ever and DON'T HELP YOU IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Buy them and try them for a few days. And only listen to your actual music, not some "ultra-high-quality-headphone-testing-music".
At least that's my opinion. 🙂
 
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Since you surely will find people who will say that a pair of $50 headphones sounds better than high-end $1000 ones, reviews and comparisons of headphones are one of the dumbest things ever and DON'T HELP YOU IN THE SLIGHTEST.
The existence of tone deaf people doesn't make music reviews useless.

Yes, there are people who prefer cheap headphones to much better ones, or who can't tell the difference, and their reviews probably are useless.
 
Did I miss the part where the reviewer talks about how they sound and copares them to top line studio headphones? It must be there, you can't have a headphone review without some kind of analysis of how they actually sound.

When I compare headphones I ask myself "What can I hear in these headphones vs. those headphones?" I remember the first time I bought a decent pair of headphones and listened to an old, late 1950's Miles Divis recording and was able to notice the building's HVAC system. So it is not always better but you should expect some describable difference.
 
Or for balance

Far heavier
No fast charging
Significantly shorter battery life
No hi-resolution audio
No EQ adjustment
No ability to fold
No cables included
No adjustable ANC
No means of switching them off
Far inferior warranty
No case (essentially)
Far more expensive
It’s a good list, but I, for me only, would only factor the last item as one which has any weight in the decision making process. The others meh.
 
I actually like the Bose 700 design much more than the rest.

Really I would be happy for a somewhat over the ear version of the Beats Solo Pro, with some modifications for improvements, and with the same level of ANC of the AirPods Max.

Also, it seems to me that Apple has boosted the high and mids to a degree and suddenly people say its got clarity. hmmm
 
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It would nice to see headphone reviews for business use (e.g. support for Teams integration). At least AirPods run out of battery really fast when using microphone, so they are not very nice for business use. I would like to know how these compare against EPOS | Sennheiser Adapt 660 ($299 - $439 USD in Amazon).
 
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