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My only concern I have right now with the AirPods Max, is the weight from what I’m hearing. There’s a decent amount of users saying that after about 30 minutes, it becomes ‘uncomfortable’ wearing these, and if that’s the case, then that’s a problem. And that’s one of the advantages about the Sony XM’s, they’re very versatile, but they’re also very light weight where they’re not fatiguing while wearing them for long periods of time. The only way I can know personally, is a trial
Period.
 
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So how are the APM doing in latency tests? Is there actually no noticeable lag when watching movies? Big difference between Apple and non-Apple brand devices?
 
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The price of the AirPods Max and the fact they are lacking in some of the fundamentals seem to make the Sony’s a no brainer. To be fair I wouldn’t pay that much for any of these headphones but still.
 
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From what I can gather, compared with their true competitors Sony XM4 and Bose 700:

sound: +1
ANC: +1
Connection features: +2or more (I would give it more but spatial audio doesn’t work with Apple TV).
Comfort: evens out, very comfy but weighs a lot
Build quality: +2
appearance: +2
weight: -1
case and travel-ability: -10,000
price: -5,000
Wear: unknown.
All up summary: buy the Sony and give Apple a great big middle finger for price and that form over function wankery of a case.
Its like Apple didn’t learn its lesson from the HomePod market positioning, and did exactly the same thing again.
What if I just want the best experience and 2-300$ more for a product that's going to last me 5 years isn't a big deal? Do I need to buy a worse product just cause everybody is saying they are better "value"?
 
I always put my Headphones on a "Headphone Dock" next to my computer. I charge it around every week and use it whenever I need it. I would love to see the nice design from the AirPods Max "hanging around" but that's not possible. They always have to stay in the case. Thats unfortunat.
 
I just ordered and tested both the Sony WH-1000XM4 (XM4) and the Sennheiser MOMENTUM Wireless 3 (MW3). Both are good upgrades from my wired Sennheiser MOMENTUMs from 2012.

The XM4s have a better profile against your head; fewer protrusions and lower potential to knock them off or damage something else. They have better noise cancelling than the MW3s and are lighter too. The XM4s fold up more and pack in to a case about half the size of the MW3s.

Other than that I give the win to the MW3s. The ear-cups are larger and more spacious, ear pads larger and more comfortable. If you move your head or jaw too much with the XM4s the shifting will move your ear to block and significantly dampen the sound. That doesn’t happen with the MW3s, they sit more stable on your head even with a heavier weight. The MW3 build does feel nicer with the metal and materials quality.

MW3s have superior sound to my ear. The XM4s do a fine job, and push the mids/treble more for a lively fun sound. Great for rock or vocal fans. The MW3s seem to roll off the treble a bit more by comparison but they offer a deeper clearer bass and a bigger soundstage. Sounds have better separation and you can boost the mids/treble if you want with the Sennheiser Smart Control app.

Finally the XM4s fall down considerably in the on-device control department. They mostly use these barely responsive touch controls on a flat, unadorned surface. They were completely unreliable for me. Now a lot of us are used to limited control with AirPods and use phones/watches, but the controls need to be there sometimes. The MW3s have fairly easy to engage buttons on the rear of the right ear-cup. They have all the functions you’d want including multifunction play/pause/answer/hang up/battery info, voice assistant/pairing, volume, and noise cancelling on/off with transparency mode as well. Much better than the awful controls on the XM4s.

I’d highly recommend the Sennheiser MOMENTUM Wireless 3 headset if someone else is looking at this class of headphone. The are very capable and fully featured with sound that will compare well to AirPods Max, they come with a functional case and the cable accessories you would need. They will lack “Hey, Siri”, Spatial Audio, and automatic pairing, but the MW3s have simple Bluetooth pairing, automatic switching and multiple device support, noise cancelling and transparent modes, call audio routing with reasonable quality, and a very fast assistant/Siri button. They also have Alexa and Tile integration if you wanted to set those up. A good buy in my book.
MR should have hired you to review the Headphones in this article, MR is biased and did a bad review compared to yours, well done.

Also, why not include Bowers and Wilkins px7 amongst others.
To me, the Airpods Max are overpriced/over-engineered, should have also included a headphone jack and if Apple charges this much for a headphone they could have easily included storage in them so we could use them without for instance an iPhone.

Edit: I am no fan of the design, think it's one of the Fugliest designs Apple had for any product released in decades.
 
I’ve got a pair of Sony XM3s which I was planning on replacing with XM4s next year, but I’m not so sure now as the AirPods are really calling to me.

My head is saying that objectively the Sonys are better value and the best choice for my needs (due to the folding design, lighter weight and LDAC support), but my heart is screaming “buy the AirPods” 😂

At least the option of an impulse buy is off the table due to the 12-14 week lead time but I may end up order some now and spending the next 3 months questioning that decision...
 
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Spoiler Alert: if you’ve decided these earphones are not for you; they’re not for you.

I currently own all the earphones in this vid, with the exception of the sennheiser momentum, mine are wired.
I agree with almost everything said.
I enjoy the Air Pods Max - I love them. I’m selling the rest. If your in Brisbane, I’ll happily drop them off !
 
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They do look impressive. But is there a objective way to test headphones? Didn't someone come up with a fake head that would test headphones?

I remember, in the 80's, buying a pair of Sennheiser headphones that were just foam, bare foam, and a plastic speaker holder, and frame, and they were actually pretty amazing. The only reason I pitched them was because the foam literally fell apart due to, likely, exposure to so much sweat and skin oils over the years. I was a little devastated. But time marched on, and I've had a lot of headphones over the years.

If I had the money, I'd probably buy these for something to do.

As a teen, I used to sit and play album after album and listen for the subtle nuances in each track. It was a treat to catch the occasional voice from the control panel as the volume dropped at the end of a track, or hearing the many utterances in Dark Side of The Moon, and so many other albums. The days of hearing those comments, or the nuances of the people talking as part of a song are probably nearly completely gone. It's sad. (Please don't delete this for being unrelated. I spent hours as a bored teen in a three cow town, listening for 'easter eggs')

I think I still have an old pair of Sennheiser headphones. They were supposed to have a 'non-detachable cable', but turns out that the cable does detach, leaving two razor sharp prongs. Oh, those were back in the cabled days. But I love my Ear Buds, Air Pods, Air Pod Pros, and even the PowerBeats Pro's (although the left one was at 3% when I grabbed them, again)

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!
Yes, rtings.com review headphones objectively using a dummy head and various complex measurements to determine soundstage, pinna activation and openness in comparison to using perfectly configured" speakers.

I used their guidance to buy Samson SR850s (under the knowledge they were the same as the Superlux 681 series). Crazy great sound for a very low price.
 
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People who complain about these headphones have forgotten two important things. First, Apple never does the same things everyone else does. They want to stand out from the pack, which is why they are not comparing themselves to any of these mentioned headphones. The sound and build quality are definitely above any of these, which means that they will be more expensive than any of them, just from sheer materials and build quality alone, let alone sound. The others don't have nearly the high quality materials the APM have. They don't have the engineering that allows for click-less telescoping headbands. They don't have a headband designed like the mesh of the backs of the most comfortable ergonomic office chairs in the world. They don't have 9 microphones to test for sound inside and outside the earcups. They don't have a gyroscope and accelerometer for detecting motion. They don't have dual 10-core ARM processors for turning sound. They don't have magnetic earcups that easily detach for replacement or mixing and matching of different colors. None of those headphones fit quite so well within the Apple ecosystem with spatial audio, easy pairing, and automatic device switching. I don't remember Apple saying they were competing with any of these. Seems to me they're in a category all by themselves, neither directly competing with other Bluetooth closed back headphones nor competing with high end open back headphones.

The quality of these are above those compared here, yet, I've seen so many people say that they should cost the same or less than the Sony XM4's on a Christmas sale. In what world does that make any sense? The call as to whether they're worth it purely subjective. As you get higher up, diminishing returns kicks in and for tiny increases in sound quality, you get enormous price hikes. Anyone who says they're not worth it while saying they're better than all the rest doesn't get it when it comes to headphone pricing.

Second, these are called AirPods for a reason. They're not called Beats. They're not called Apple-something. What other qualities fit with the family of AirPods? None of them have a power button. None of them have a wired cable. All of them use Lightning. All of them have a case for home storage. The cases for the AirPods were never intended for travel, and neither are the cases for the other AirPods or else you'd keep your AirPods Pro sitting out on a desk while only taking the case out for the occasion of hopping onto that airplane. No, these headphones were purposely named.

As for the power button, think about it. The reason Apple does things is to make products easier for people to use. Most people forget to turn off their headphones every once in a while and they come back to dead headphones. For most headphone companies, they punt and blame it on the user and do nothing to address it. Apple makes life easier by taking away that chore by implementing impressive power savings modes that hardly use more power than if they were turned off. Besides, how would Find My work if you could turn them off?

For a Mac publication, there is an interesting lack of understanding of what Apple does and how they design products. Every reviewer I've seen has tried to shoehorn these headphones into direct comparisons of the Sony XM4's and Bose 700's. There's lament that they aren't using the same touch controls as those. How many people have tried to change the volume and failed or overshot, or accidentally skpped a track because they tried to swipe their hair out of their eyes and accidentally hit the touch controls. There's precision in the crown. There's lament they aren't supplying the same oval hardcase as those. There's lament they didn't include a 3.5mm cable, despite the fact Apple's trying to move everyone to wireless in all of their products. Yes, you can use one, but Apple doesn't really want you to. There's lament that they aren't made of the same materials as the others so they weigh less. Would people really be happy if Apple used cheap plastics on their high-end iPhones or iPads or Macs? If not, why do you want them on the APM? If people want them to be the same as the Sony's, go buy the Sony's. Apple isn't Sony and never will be, so don't ever expect the same product.

I'm not saying I agree with all of Apple's decisions here. I don't, but I'm writing this to explain why they do the things they do. This design should not surprise anyone in any facet. This design is quintessential Apple design language in every respect. The colors come from the iPad Air and iPhone 12. The button and knob and the pattern of holes under the cups come directly from the Apple Watch. The magnets come from MagSafe. The anodized aluminum comes straight from the iPads and Macs. The style, quality, ease of use, and yes even the price are what we always expect in an Apple product.
 
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Great stuff... As for myself, I gave up on the over-the-ears noise cancelling headphones... For flying, in-ear Bose are a lot better... Try to fall asleep with those huge ear cups... LOL... No way... Also, most of the over-the-ear headphone cups are made from leather. Yeah, it is soft, but gets sweaty, and uncomfortable, very quickly in summer heat... Also, over time the leather dries out and cracks... Expensive to replace, if you can find a replacement at all... I had to get two replacements for my Audiotechnica headphones over a period of 3-4 years... You better stick with the big audiophile producers that still produce replacement parts for their headphones... Bose has amazing no-question-asked warranty, hard to pass on them, for the price...

Yes, Airpod Max can sound amazing and I love the mesh on skin but not for the price... Not even for $350 I would get them... Like I said above, for me the ship with over-the-ear noise cancelling headphones has sailed... They just aren't comfortable over long time... My 3 pennies, FWIW
 
Anybody had xm3 and have the xm4? Any difference in sound quality? As I’ve not been super blown away by the sound on my xm3 I must admit
 
People who complain about these headphones have forgotten two important things. First, Apple never does the same things everyone else does. They want to stand out from the pack, which is why they are not comparing themselves to any of these mentioned headphones. The sound and build quality are definitely above any of these, which means that they will be more expensive than any of them, just from sheer materials and build quality alone, let alone sound. The others don't have nearly the high quality materials the APM have. They don't have the engineering that allows for click-less telescoping headbands. They don't have a headband designed like the mesh of the backs of the most comfortable ergonomic office chairs in the world. They don't have 9 microphones to test for sound inside and outside the earcups. They don't have a gyroscope and accelerometer for detecting motion. They don't have dual 10-core ARM processors for turning sound. They don't have magnetic earcups that easily detach for replacement or mixing and matching of different colors. None of those headphones fit quite so well within the Apple ecosystem with spatial audio, easy pairing, and automatic device switching. I don't remember Apple saying they were competing with any of these. Seems to me they're in a category all by themselves, neither directly competing with other Bluetooth closed back headphones nor competing with high end open back headphones.

The quality of these are above those compared here, yet, I've seen so many people say that they should cost the same or less than the Sony XM4's on a Christmas sale. In what world does that make any sense? The call as to whether they're worth it purely subjective. As you get higher up, diminishing returns kicks in and for tiny increases in sound quality, you get enormous price hikes. Anyone who says they're not worth it while saying they're better than all the rest doesn't get it when it comes to headphone pricing.

Second, these are called AirPods for a reason. They're not called Beats. They're not called Apple-something. What other qualities fit with the family of AirPods? None of them have a power button. None of them have a wired cable. All of them use Lightning. All of them have a case for home storage. The cases for the AirPods were never intended for travel, and neither are the cases for the other AirPods or else you'd keep your AirPods Pro sitting out on a desk while only taking the case out for the occasion of hopping onto that airplane. No, these headphones were purposely named.

As for the power button, think about it. The reason Apple does things is to make products easier for people to use. Most people forget to turn off their headphones every once in a while and they come back to dead headphones. For most headphone companies, they punt and blame it on the user and do nothing to address it. Apple makes life easier by taking away that chore by implementing impressive power savings modes that hardly use more power than if they were turned off. Besides, how would Find My work if you could turn them off?

For a Mac publication, there is an interesting lack of understanding of what Apple does and how they design products. Every reviewer I've seen has tried to shoehorn these headphones into direct comparisons of the Sony XM4's and Bose 700's. There's lament that they aren't using the same touch controls as those. How many people have tried to change the volume and failed or overshot, or accidentally skpped a track because they tried to swipe their hair out of their eyes and accidentally hit the touch controls. There's precision in the crown. There's lament they aren't supplying the same oval hardcase as those. There's lament they didn't include a 3.5mm cable, despite the fact Apple's trying to move everyone to wireless in all of their products. Yes, you can use one, but Apple doesn't really want you to. There's lament that they aren't made of the same materials as the others so they weigh less. Would people really be happy if Apple used cheap plastics on their high-end iPhones or iPads or Macs? If not, why do you want them on the APM? If people want them to be the same as the Sony's, go buy the Sony's. Apple isn't Sony and never will be, so don't ever expect the same product.

I'm not saying I agree with all of Apple's decisions here. I don't, but I'm writing this to explain why they do the things they do. This design should not surprise anyone in any facet. This design is quintessential Apple design language in every respect. The colors come from the iPad Air and iPhone 12. The button and knob and the pattern of holes under the cups come directly from the Apple Watch. The magnets come from MagSafe. The anodized aluminum comes straight from the iPads and Macs. The style, quality, ease of use, and yes even the price are what we always expect in an Apple product.
Indeed. Apple haven’t released these to go after the mass market or the average Apple customer. They’ve gone for the niche market and will likely tempt those that buy Bang & Olufsen headphones in that pricing tier. For me, these headphones are about 5 times more than I’d pay for a set of over ear noise cancelling headphones anyway so don’t even factor. I don’t know why people get so upset when there are so many excellent products already in the market for all pricing tastes? You can get a decent set of headphones at most budgets .
 
How about protection from high decibel levels ?
Will the Air Pods Max offer adequate protection at a shooting range at 120-160db ?
 
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I have the XM4 paired simultaneously to an iPhone and iPad - no need to switch between - just stop playing on one and play on the other.
Exactly! "Second device... connected!"

I don't know what this talk about the Apple eco system is about, especially since my Airpods Pro constantly have troubles connecting to the right source. I take a well-designed, stable multi device bluetooth system any day over Apple's intelligent adaptive, machine learning, bla bla bla, unreliable buggy implementation.
 
It would nice to see headphone reviews for business use (e.g. support for Teams integration). At least AirPods run out of battery really fast when using microphone, so they are not very nice for business use. I would like to know how these compare against EPOS | Sennheiser Adapt 660 ($299 - $439 USD in Amazon).

I agree.

Especislly with everyone working at home. I’d use the headphones more as a headset over using spaudio.

We REALLY needed JimsReviewRoom to test these properly as everyone including Macrumors have done a crap job.

I need to know how these pair with Windows and Mac at the same time.
TEST the ANC & microphone and give us results, just go outside and record something into the voice app


So many questions !
 
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Quite a disappointing article/video.
All the points made were very subjective, and lacking persuasive evidence and/or data.

Ive noticed this with a number of these kind of articles, following launches, and it feels more like click bait than a informative piece. FWIW
In my opinion, the video was rather vague. Dan spent more time talking about ANC than anything else. It would have been nice to hear some actual examples of sound between the different headsets, as well as ANC, instead of Dan just glossing over specifics when comparing 3 different headphones. The video was not on par with the subject matter.
 
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Nobody likes the case it seems. Can you imagine the size of the case that would be needed for this design? Clearly Apple did and saw the foolishness in it. Better to have a bra case with some jokes than a guitar case to put everybody off buying them in the first place. These cans are big and solid so a case to hold them would have to be as well. It’s not rocket science.
 
Is it possible to use ANC without playing any music at all on those headphones?
 
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