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No redesign no bigger screen.

That doesn't mean the iPhone 5 won't be much better. Use both a 3G and a 3GS and comeback here and tell us "No redesign". :rolleyes:

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4G, 4S, 4GS, 5G, etc.

All terrible names people keep making up.

As of right now, we know of "iPhone 4", and then a "new one".

I hope Apple will just drop the whole suffix thing for iPad and iPhone and just call them "iPad" and "iPhone", like all their other product lines.
 
The average customer wont notice any difference tho. Lets face it, the normal guy doesnt care for specs or what on earth "A5" is or what RAM does. All they see is a phone in the same shape of the 4 and ask themself why should i buy that "again" or how is that new, it looks the same. People (im one of those) like design changes more than anything else. Its getting boring having the same thing after a while ^^

U can say whatever u want about samsung but at least every phone looks different + they already got lte (now u can vote me down for saying the "S" word, i dont care)

The difference will be noticed when the iPhone 4 does not have iOS 5 features (voice recognition) enabled. Think of the differences between 3G and 3GS.
 
Wow... you're sure jumping to conclusions... but maybe that's what you're hoping for huh?

The rumors have it right now that there will be a 4s for the entry level iPhone and a new iPhone 5. But again... these are ALL rumors and we know reality until it's announced. Is that hard to understand?

I do love how with every single release over the past couple of years there seems to be a group of people who want to scream "fail" (just like with the iPad 2.0 - it was sure to fail according to some here) and yet, the sales keep saying otherwise.

Sales dont mean everything. Just bc its selling well doesnt mean it couldnt be better, it makes them just lazy cuz there doesnt seem to be a need to improve things until they fall on their ass for getting too sloppy at some point and then it might be to late. Dif genre but look at myspace now ^^
 
Sales dont mean everything. Just bc its selling well doesnt mean it couldnt be better, it makes them just lazy cuz there doesnt seem to be a need to improve things until they fall on their ass for getting too sloppy at some point and then it might be to late. Dif genre but look at myspace now ^^

And just because it doesn't have a different case doesn't mean it wasn't much improved. :rolleyes:

Anyway, all this bad blood over speculation is quite ridiculous. Why don't we wait for Apple to unveil this new "disapointing" iPhone before we decide to lambast them.
 
You're right. The reason they won't miss me is enough people are dumb enough to buy a last generation phone for the highest price on the consumer market compared with newer, technologically superior phones, all because the walled garden approach Apple has and denying that there is competition.

Its not that Apple won't miss me. Its that people with less sense are willing to pay them high margins that outbid customers like me. Apple will miss me if those customers aren't there.

But I'm glad to see you think that any geeks who were hardcore Apple fans in 1996 probably won't be missed. You do realize that Apple does believe in customer outreach and retention? Just because they CAN'T meet my demands doesn't mean my money won't be missed, it just means they can't get it. An arrogant company that you describe would implode. Thankfully, Apple isn't this arrogant company you make it out to be. They charge a price for a good and are nice about it. Completely opposite to Apple Fanboys.

Yeah, we are all dumb for buying an iPhone. Way to go bro. :roll eyes:
Don't tell me about the 96 fans. I endured the Gil Amelio's days as much as you and I am happy too see their turnaround.
While I do appreciate Apple keeping up the pace with the rest of industry "features/specs" I am more than happy to give them the benefit of the doubt in delaying bringing the latest of the greatest. This is because they still offer the best experience out there and for that reason I have no intentions to jump on another phone just because they have better specs.
 
The difference will be noticed when the iPhone 4 does not have iOS 5 features (voice recognition) enabled. Think of the differences between 3G and 3GS.

I had the 3G friend had the 3GS didnt notice any difference until i tried iOS4 and the cam obvs. But like i said, unless the 3GS will be dropped the 4 will work just fine on future updates
 
And just because it doesn't have a different case doesn't mean it wasn't much improved. :rolleyes:

Anyway, all this bad blood over speculation is quite ridiculous. Why don't we wait for Apple to unveil this new "disapointing" iPhone before we decide to lambast them.

Exactly. Personally, my discount schedule has me buying a new phone on the 'spec bump' stage of the cycle, and I'm thrilled with that. Why? The same reason you should wait a year or two instead of buying an "all new redesigned" car. I get the latest and greatest *after* the 'brand new x, y & z' have the kinks worked out.
 
Sales dont mean everything. Just bc its selling well doesnt mean it couldnt be better, it makes them just lazy cuz there doesnt seem to be a need to improve things until they fall on their ass for getting too sloppy at some point and then it might be to late. Dif genre but look at myspace now ^^

Never said it can't be better, but this is about the 4s... probably the replacement for the 3g as the entry level phone. So... what's the point?

Just seems like you want to run screaming "Samsung" like the Chicken Little when this article even said that this is not rumored to be the iPhone 5 but the 4s.
 
Never said it can't be better, but this is about the 4s... probably the replacement for the 3g as the entry level phone. So... what's the point?

Just seems like you want to run screaming "Samsung" like the Chicken Little when this article even said that this is not rumored to be the iPhone 5 but the 4s.

Nah im all up for the 5 if its a "new" phone. I just assumed for a sec what if the rumors of this being the updated great new phone so far become reality
 
That doesn't mean the iPhone 5 won't be much better. Use both a 3G and a 3GS and comeback here and tell us "No redesign". :rolleyes:

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I hope Apple will just drop the whole suffix thing for iPad and iPhone and just call them "iPad" and "iPhone", like all their other product lines.

Not sure what you mean. Virtually all their product lines have a suffix: shuffle, nano, classic, air, pro....
 
I dunno - doesn't seem like Apple to spend significant time and resources just to develop a single low-end iPhone model. Apple usually targets the high end. Even the mac mini is technically the high end of the sub $1000 market.

In addition, we haven't seen any significant leaks about a phone with a new form factor.

I'm thinking what we're seeing is what we're going to get. I'm also thinking the current iPhone 4 - in its current design - will be the low-end offering. Maybe with a capacity downgrade to 8GB.

Just trying to keep myself in perspective.

(I'm still at least hoping for capacity bumps...)


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edit: On the other hand, they've had 18 months. That alone makes me think that they've been expending some R&D on something significant. An 18 month delay for nothing more than a speedbumped iPhone 4 will be very disappointing.
 
Not sure what you mean. Virtually all their product lines have a suffix: shuffle, nano, classic, air, pro....

That's not a suffix. They don't call them the iPod Nano 5 or the MacBook Air 4.

Every year, it's just MacBook Air or iPod Nano. So every year, they could just call it "iPhone".
 
couldn't agree more

you nailed it

however there will be at least one surprise that isn't on this list and that people weren't expecting

I dont think it will be a hardware surprise. I think it will be secret features of iOS 5 like voice recognition.
 
So MacRumors is publishing Apple's confidential info?

Countown to SWAT team bursting though MacRumors' front door in three, two, one...
 
Nah im all up for the 5 if its a "new" phone. I just assumed for a sec what if the rumors of this being the updated great new phone so far become reality

Then maybe you should make that clearer in your posts because it seems like you're just choosing to ignore aspects of the article, draw conclusions and stir the pot. A simple statement like "If there is no iPhone 5 redesign and this is the new iPhone 5, then.... (blah, blah, blah)"... would have made it clear.
 
God this new iPhone is starting to look disturbingly similar from a physical aspect at least to the existing model.

My primary concern is what would happen if you were walking down the street having invested in the new model and people incorrectly identified your phone as the old one!

What a waste!
 
No redesign no bigger screen. I can already see the headlines of tmrws newspaper "Is Apple Already Sinking Under Its New Leader?"

Rolling out "bigger screens" can't be the answer every 1-2 years. After 3-4 years the phones will have grow too large. The iPhone 4 just got a major screen improvement. It is highly dubious that the next model would get a major upgrade in the exact same component. Something else is far more likely to get a major upgrade, than the screen.

Similarly, after Apple made such a big deal about the pixel density of the iPhone4 screen, it is extremely unlikely they are going to turn around and reduce the density the next year. (In order to keep number of pixels the same but cover a larger area they spacing between the pixels will have to increase.)

Boring. Who cares for more ram, the iphone 4 will handle the new ios just fine considering the 3gs is even getting it

But the iPhone 1 and the iPhone 3 didn't really get iOS 4. You will care alot when IOS 6 doesn't run (or runs in hobbled mode) on your iPhone 4 because it doesn't have enough RAM. Specs often do matter, because features often need "specs" to run. The particular values ( 1GB , or 1.5GHz) are what Apple is trying to draw attention away from. Largely because people retreat into overly simplistic ( MHz myth) mechanisms for evaluating "A" versus "B". Instead of solving a multidimensional problem they just pick the "bigger" Hz number.


+ unless devs invest in extra apps for the "special" new a5 and ram iphone ... no one will notice any difference

Now. If your objective is to dump your phone every 1-1.5 years to snag the "latest, greatest" then sure there isn't enough time for a large number of developers to pass your phone up. Once at 2-4 years, then have a problem.

However, if everyone is playing the "dump phone every 1-1.5 year" game there is low motivation for Apple to do quantum leaps each year. You're going to dump phone anyway with whatever incremental differences popped up over that short amount of time.
 
God this new iPhone is starting to look disturbingly similar from a physical aspect at least to the existing model.

My primary concern is what would happen if you were walking down the street having invested in the new model and people incorrectly identified your phone as the old one!

What a waste!

Ah, the subtle English tongue-in-cheek. I miss Monty Python.
 
wah!!!you complain to much!!!your a crybaby!!! stop complainining!!! you're complaining annoys me!!! i luv apple products and i dont wanna be annoyed with criticism of my company and complaining is for loosers!!!

I'm always entertained by the 'apple is right and no one better complain about them cause i need someone to yell at!' posts. Quit complaining and go comment on something else already.

i love you.
 
What if there is no iPhone 5 this year? You know, 3G then 3GS. 4 then 4S? Incremental upgrades to processor, camera and internal/antenna design. Same form factor, refined for more efficient, cheaper production with lower-cost parts. What if Apple wants to sell the ONLY new iPhone this year at $99 or even $49 with subsidy. Offer the 3GS for free with subsidy. A single $49 new or subsidy upgrade iPhone, with a free w/ new/extended contract would shove most all the Android competitors at $199 or $99 down a hole. At $99 that would still fly pretty well.

Focus on iOS 5 and iCloud this fall, iPad 3 winter, then launch an LTE iPhone 5 at $199 subsidized in early summer 2012, back on the old new phone release schedule.

Would make sense. No one is really talking about any currently competing or near-term release phone having it over even the current iPhone 4. LTE is the only reason to go Android right now, so Apple isn't going to match wits with LTE, why bother with a major revision? And LTE is not yet built out like Apple would like it.

Another possible bit of evidence: If iOS 5 is going to ship when the current model is iPhone 5 and the most prior model is iPhone 4, why support the 3GS? A lot of people with 3GSs are perfectly happy with them. Shorting them iOS 5 with full iCloud support would be a major push to upgrading at least to an iPhone offered at $49 w/s subsidy.
 
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Yeah, we are all dumb for buying an iPhone. Way to go bro. :roll eyes:
Don't tell me about the 96 fans. I endured the Gil Amelio's days as much as you and I am happy too see their turnaround.
While I do appreciate Apple keeping up the pace with the rest of industry "features/specs" I am more than happy to give them the benefit of the doubt in delaying bringing the latest of the greatest. This is because they still offer the best experience out there and for that reason I have no intentions to jump on another phone just because they have better specs.

My basic problem-and why I think Apple consumers are becoming dumber-is that Apple is never required to offer products that are best as they can be at the price point anymore but simply put as profitable as they can be. Their margins are high, and their products aren't even top of the line technologically, and their customers aren't demanding it. I think they can be and Apple can sell even more-but they don't have a reason to, and I can't blame Apple for this.

Not everyone who buys an iPhone is dumb. Although I think buying an iPhone is dumb right now. But I think the idea that consumers have a "Apple can, but doesn't have to meet your needs" attitude I see on this board? I believe those buyers ARE dumb.

And with specs, I won't give them the benefit of the doubt. If Sammy can do it, Apple can too. What Apple fan would disagree with that?
 
re original article
well i hope aapl hired good rf engineers when they put out the job posting awhile ago
 
i hope iphone 5 gets a 4" screen and if it does not i will be happy too cause i wont have to upgrade my iphone4 i will keep it another full year cause its fast looks good and works fine... the next iphone has to be at least 50
% better for me to upgrade
 
Apple missed september event?

seriously, we can hope for end of the day, if we do not get an invite, apple missed the sept first week event for the first time in few years ...
 
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