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No it doesnt unless you are standing up. Most people will sit and rest it on leg or chest if reclined. If you find it heavy you need to hit the gym.

This is silly - you're basically saying a person shouldn't use a device the way they want, they should adjust their behavior to compensate for a shortcoming they see in that device. That's Ballmer-esque reasoning.

I generally don't see people reading a book with it propped on their chest or their leg - they hold it at a comfortable viewing angle, and it's supported only by their hands. A light device, such as a Kindle, can be held in this same way for long periods without a person's hand (or hands) getting tired. If the iPad is truly going to be a good ebook reader, people need to be able to hold it in whatever posture they usually like to read in.
 
retina display?, no way, doesn't need it

It sure does. The lack of one is the biggest obstacle to me buying one right now. It just can't compare to the iPhone 4, yes, even at the different reading distances.
 
Because Apple's customer survey data tells them a smaller form factor will be desirable. They don't blindly decide on things like this. They have evidence to support it.

No. The 7" iPad rumour is because everyone else's survey data tells them a smaller form factor will be desirable. Apple don't design on the basis of customer surveys.

If they'd done customer surveys the iPhone would have a keyboard, removable battery and external USB mouse.

I don't believe the 7" rumour. They could have done a 7" last year. They didn't.
 
I still cannot understand the smaller-size iPad concept. Why?

Because some of us own iPhones or iPod Touches, want a larger screen but find the iPad too large?

We got an iPad for our daughter, and she loves it. I have used it a fair bit. I simply want a smaller version. Other people here have also said they want a smaller version. Why is that so hard to grasp?

A smaller version would:

  • be lighter
  • fit in a coat pocket
  • be a great size for a book reader
  • would still have plenty of screen real estate for an iSSH session

I guess the real question is - why can't some people wrap their brains around the fact that not everyone thinks the same way they do?
 
A smaller version would:

  • would still have plenty of screen real estate for an iSSH session

Not really - your hands cover too much of the screen. It's bad enough on an iPad. Have you played with a 7" screen? It's the sour spot between small enough to pocket all the time and big enough to see.
 
Giving us ... full 1080p HDTV! Huge selling point, despite the inevitable "you can't see that well" naysaying. That was my pet theory during the iPad rumor stage, and I'd be happy to see it become reality soon.

And yes, I can see the pixels, and yes it irritates me a bit. There is a stark difference between regular and "retina" displays.

As for "but that would mean another resolution!": hey, it's 2010, application developers got used to variable screen sizes long ago for other platforms - the iOS crowd can catch up already (as Apple has been suggesting). Not a big deal.

Agreed though that ANY port will be added to the iP* platform. Apple is headed full-on toward the cloud model. When Jobs decides a technology is passe, it goes. If you need a physical port, you're missing the point. (And yes I'm sitting here thinking about how annoying it will be to transfer a pile of .PDF books to my iPad - but once I do it, it's done.)

Apple will never advertise anything as 1080p until the iTunes music store switches from 720p to 1080p, which is probably at least 3-5 years away with broadband speeds the way they are. Even 720p is almost overkill for a device 7-10" device that is 18" away from you.
 
I would be interested to see who Apple targets with the release of a smaller iPad.

If the smaller one gets the better graphic ability it would be easy to see how they would sell.

Apple will never advertise anything as 1080p until the iTunes music store switches from 720p to 1080p, which is probably at least 3-5 years away with broadband speeds the way they are. Even 720p is almost overkill for a device 7-10" device that is 18" away from you.

Considering how much more in bandwidth you would need for 1080p your right I can't see them pushing it any time soon.

Considering that so many places including where I am now has average internet speed.
 
It will never be a pocket device.. and anyway, that segment is already fulfilled by the iPhone or the Touch. So if it won't fit in your pocket, why make it a few inches smaller?


I was thinking the same thing. Certainly in terms of replacing.

Frankly I"m not buying it. Nor am I buying the whole USB port rumors. The EU rule doesn't require a built in port. They can put in an adapter for use with mini USB chargers and cover the legal issue just fine.

The things I can believe are the retina display, increased ram and storage and a front facing camera of some kind. Back facing camera, built in SD slot I'm on the fence. Flash and 1080p I'm calling no. The former still has issues and the later is just too dang big. They need to release a new codec that allows more reasonable sizes. maybe in another year or so
 
Because some of us own iPhones or iPod Touches, want a larger screen but find the iPad too large?

We got an iPad for our daughter, and she loves it. I have used it a fair bit. I simply want a smaller version. Other people here have also said they want a smaller version. Why is that so hard to grasp?

A smaller version would:

  • be lighter
  • fit in a coat pocket
  • be a great size for a book reader
  • would still have plenty of screen real estate for an iSSH session

I guess the real question is - why can't some people wrap their brains around the fact that not everyone thinks the same way they do?


I totally understand where you're coming from, and I respect that. And in an at-home scenario, I can see how an iPad is phenomenal. But as for this being a mobile (pocket) device, the issue with that would be REDUNDANCY. The vast majority of us who have embraced the iPhone is because of its wow factor. An amazing gadget that gives us the world wide web, our email, favorite games, GPS navigation, etc... all the tip of our fingers, and in our pocket. Do you REALLY want to carry TWO devices that basically do the same thing? At that point, I think I'd just get rid of the iPhone and stick with a dumb phone that's going to only give me calls & texts and pay a tiny fraction of what I pay now for my smart phone on AT&T.
 
People please stop saying, "hit the gym", besides smaller and lighter is what Steve jobs and co is all about. Have you seen the new touch, that thing is super thin!!
 
A 7" display with the same pixel density as the iPhone 4 would have far more pixels in each dimension (something like 1950 X 1150), which would wreak havoc on apps makers who would have to support a fourth iOS screen resolution, and further fragment app versions.

Why is this issue never raised with all of Androids different screen sizes? :confused: :confused:
 
Instead of focusing on the size of future iPads, focus a minute on the other part of the story: projections of 45 million iPads sold in 2011. Note that estimates about Apple tend to miss the mark on the low side, but let's go with a 45 million rate for 2011. Combined with the estimate 16 million in 2010 and you are over 60 million in less than two years. Get extra models out there at various price points, increase the number of countries where it is available, and you are looking at crossing the 100 million mark some time in 2012, just past its two-year anniversary.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

100 MILLION UNITS IN ABOUT TWO YEAR'S TIME?!?

That's the big story. This is not just a popular device, it's wildly popular. A game changer.
 
besides smaller and lighter is what Steve jobs and co is all abou

Yes, and I'm sure iPad 2 will weigh significantly less. It just won't have a 7" screen.
 
I don't beleive the 7" iPad rumors either.

The only way they might produce a smaller version is as a dedicated e-reader to compete with Sony and Kindle, then position the 9.7" original for taking over from where the netbook computer is now. But even this doesn't make sense, since the original 9.7" is already outcompeting the Sony and Kindle as e-readers.

Any way you slice it, a 7" iPad makes no sense without it cannabilizing iPods as well as the original iPad.
 
i really love my 9.7inch ipad, but since i really adore everything apple invents i will probably buy one and keep it in teh closet :D

I think a 7 inch ipad with dual cameras is gonna rock. All the other slates are gonna be 7 inches so apple has to have this option. They will also still sell the 9.7 inch ipad. But all the other slates are in the widescreen format with does not really work in a slate...the 4:3 format is better for reading and web surfing.
 
I agree, this is where pricing becomes tricky. I am not an expert, but most consumers think bigger is better and if you start crossing the line of 7" and 9.7" for the same price, I bet most will take the higher road. Just a guess from my side.

This just in:

isuppli estimates the component to be only 99 cents!
 
Apple made a lot of noise about the benefits of the retina display, now a retina type display is available in a tablet size and with an iPad aspect ratio (the Hitachi 6.6" 4:3 1600x1200). Do you think Apple will leave a technology they have said is important to their competitors?

I can see the separation between iPhone and 9.7" iPad, but I don't know if this will still hold true at 7", I'd have to play with one to see.

As for holding the iPad in the air to read. Yes I would want to if I'm reading in bed. I haven't tried though. I haven't bought an iPad as I found it too low resolution at the distance I hold it, even before I saw an iPhone 4.

The iPad is a first generation device that will see changes. I can also see multiple iPad sizes in the same way that Apple have multiple Macbook Pro sizes. Different sizes for different folks.
 
A 7" iPad would appeal to a different demographic to the current 10" model without necessarily taking sales away from it. The idea is to take sales away from Samsung, HP and all the other 7" models coming down the track. I think the 7" model would be more appealing to women and children, many of whom like the idea of the iPad but find the current model that bit too heavy to use comfortably for any length of time, especially as a portable games machine or an ebook reader - both of which require you to hold the machine in the air for long periods. It's not 7" or 10" it's both - that way Apple can continue to dominate the tablet market before anyone else can establish a foothold.
 
Apple made a lot of noise about the benefits of the retina display, now a retina type display is available in a tablet size and with an iPad aspect ratio (the Hitachi 6.6" 4:3 1600x1200). Do you think Apple will leave a technology they have said is important to their competitors?

Good point.

Also - as an iPad owner, my main disappointment is the low screen resolution. It's fine for apps - but for reading I just find the text too blocky. Also, it's impossible to read a full A4/legal sized 'paper' on the screen - which would be possible were the resolution to be greater.

If Apple could double the resolution in each direction, then that would make backwards compatibility simple (as with the iPhone).
 
Why is this issue never raised with all of Androids different screen sizes? :confused: :confused:

It is, all the time, and it's one of the potential issues with Android development. Look at the problem they are having with tablets that are meant to run Android -- they don't have a version that is optimized for tablets and they won't have until some time next year.

Apple, in contrast, has been preaching resolution independence for years. There's more work involved in creating art work for your app that will vary depending on which platform it gets run on, but the code is fairly straightforward. XCode makes it quite straightforward to change the output of your app. Just tell the UI what device it will run on, and you get an executable suitable for that device. So some extra work, yes, but the framework is already there to handle multiple resolutions and devices.
 
Uh, my two-year old can comfortably use an iPad for quite a while. He just doesn't hold it in the air.
 
If they release a 7" version with a "retina-ish" display, it will cost the same as the current version.
 
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