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Conan O'Brien Mocks Final Cut Pro X

d0minick

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This was funny. And on target.

I think Apple should have included legacy support. At least for a incremental version or two.

Eventually all will upgrade, but $$ makes stuff a big deal.


And i do believe Apple will release support patches. So all will be calmed.

But LOL at Apple for not thinking of that, or at least making users aware before hand in a obvious way.
 
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dethmaShine

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Backlash ---

I can see why there is a backlash among industry experts and other pro users of the software.

Isn't this the same thing Apple did with OS 9 -> OS X.

I wasn't using those operating systems then but listening to a lot of people, I've come to know that this is a very good analogy to the present state transition of FCP software.

The whole thing is absolutely new as Apple believed that they couldn't implement all the upcoming new features in the previous release.
Features will come obviously but they are going to take time.

But Apple believes that they needed a fresh start for this software to head for a good future.
The backlash is acceptable but anyone who thought the software would be pro-ready from the very beginning, is not a pro after all.
There's obviously a learning curve to new software and as I see it people knew about it. So by the time, you wait to learn the software and adjust to it, Apple is going to push some strong updates to make this worthy for the future.

I can see people being pissed about it. But I think, consumers have lost patience; they always want a perfect product for perfect price. Sad but true.
 
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iBug2

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I can see why there is a backlash among industry experts and other pro users of the software.

Isn't this the same thing Apple did with OS 9 -> OS X.

I wasn't using those operating systems then but listening to a lot of people, I've come to know that this is a very good analogy to the present state transition of FCP software.

The whole thing is absolutely new as Apple believed that they couldn't implement all the upcoming new features in the previous release.
Features will come obviously but they are going to take time.

But Apple believes that they needed a fresh start for this software to head for a good future.
The backlash is acceptable but anyone who thought the software would be pro-ready from the very beginning, is not a pro after all.
There's obviously a learning curve to new software and as I see it people knew about it. So by the time, you wait to learn the software and adjust to it, Apple is going to push some strong updates to make this worthy for the future.

I can see people being pissed about it. But I think, consumers have lost patience; they always want a perfect product for perfect price. Sad but true.

All true but it doesn't explain why Apple had to discontinue FCP 7 and Server right away. Why not keep selling and supporting them until this new software becomes more mature
 
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ArtOfWarfare

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All true but it doesn't explain why Apple had to discontinue FCP 7 and Server right away. Why not keep selling and supporting them until this new software becomes more mature

Right. They offered the previous version of iMovie for a long time as a download for anyone who bought the completely reworked iMovie.

But seriously, if Final Cut X can't do the tasks that were listed, what good is the software? Why choose FCX over iMovie?
 
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dethmaShine

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All true but it doesn't explain why Apple had to discontinue FCP 7 and Server right away. Why not keep selling and supporting them until this new software becomes more mature

Apple stopped selling OS 9 when they released OS X.

As for FCP 7, they haven't stopped supporting it yet. There's no need to sell FCP 7 as FCP X is already out.
 
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iStudentUK

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Totally unwarranted!

FCPX is the best software ever. If Apple omitted a feature, then that means it's overused, and video editors don't really need it.

I see what you did there "-LTD-"!

It's funny 'cos it's true.
 
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iBug2

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Apple stopped selling OS 9 when they released OS X.

As for FCP 7, they haven't stopped supporting it yet. There's no need to sell FCP 7 as FCP X is already out.

There is. If you are thinking of setting up a FCP based workflow, a new one, you can't do this with FCP X because it's not ready for many of the areas FCP 7 was being used for. So you need to buy new FCP 7 seats, which you can't because it's not sold.

But seriously, if Final Cut X can't do the tasks that were listed, what good is the software? Why choose FCX over iMovie?

FCX is nothing like iMovie. A lot of people can make a living out of FCP X, it just isn't ready for everyone who was using FCP 7, it's ready for some of them.
 
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nickmilitello

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The backlash is acceptable but anyone who thought the software would be pro-ready from the very beginning, is not a pro after all.

You have got to be kidding... I think everyone thought it was going to pro ready from the beginning. The name of the software is final cut PRO!!! It is used mainly by professionals. Sure they are a few out there who have it and use it on occasion. However, this is not an iPad or iPod. This is something that people make their living off of.

The professionals Im sure were well aware that everything was not going to implemented on version 1. Totally get that. If you were expecting this perfect product, they are not a pro. However, we expect and we demand that the even in the first version of "pro" software, there are some pro features.

Look around, there is no one single pro feature in FCP X. Im defining pro features by features that lets us work in real environments. Sound, score, color. This isnt just about the big film guys, its about everyone who needs features to let them finish there product.

Apple has pissed on all the features that made FCP 7 great and great to work with in an environment with more than one person. I know so few editors that work in a complete bubble.
 
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macnews

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Final Cut X is a major shift in thinking how you edit. Some editors I suspect are complaining just because they don't want to change (granted they don't say that) while others may not mind changing but have to deal with the reality of the world they work in and that reality requires some features which are not in this release.

Time will tell if Apple can pull this off but I'm not as confident they will maintain their position in this industry like they can with iPhones and iPads.
 
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mwpeters8182

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Apple stopped selling OS 9 when they released OS X.

As for FCP 7, they haven't stopped supporting it yet. There's no need to sell FCP 7 as FCP X is already out.

That's not 100% true - they shipped 9.X with the first versions of OS X so you could run the Classic environment (I think that was System 9.2).
 
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cogitodexter

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Jun 22, 2009
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I bought Final Cut Studio 2 in 2007 and I've been holding off on upgrading it until the new version came out.

Final Cut Pro X is so fantastic I went straight out and bought Final Cut Studio 3 before my suppliers went out of stock.

THAT's how much I like this new version.

I'm really disappointed in Apple's treatment of this part of the market at the moment. As with OS X Lion, they seem to be wanting to turn everything into an 'appliance' rather than an extensible tool.

I know the iPhone is probably Apple's biggest money spinner right now (and I love my iPhone a lot) but there's no excuse or logic behind using the same ethos on all the once extremely brilliant professional-use opportunities with the rest of the other products.

Whittling down the eco-system to a 'one size fits all' pattern may be profitable now, but when it goes out of fashion (as it inevitably will, it's simply the way of the world), all the eggs will be in only the one basket and suddenly they're all going to have gone bad at once. I think this approach is short sighted - both for us users, but the fans too and, eventually, stock holders.

At the rate things are going, a few years down the line, Apple will be a 'once great company' that had an excellent breadth of products that has ended up with a homogenised bland set of products that don't really adapt to the market any more. And that'll truly be a shame.
 
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iBug2

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I bought Final Cut Studio 2 in 2007 and I've been holding off on upgrading it until the new version came out.

Final Cut Pro X is so fantastic I went straight out and bought Final Cut Studio 3 before my suppliers went out of stock.

THAT's how much I like this new version.

I'm really disappointed in Apple's treatment of this part of the market at the moment. As with OS X Lion, they seem to be wanting to turn everything into an 'appliance' rather than an extensible tool.

I know the iPhone is probably Apple's biggest money spinner right now (and I love my iPhone a lot) but there's no excuse or logic behind using the same ethos on all the once extremely brilliant professional-use opportunities with the rest of the other products.

Whittling down the eco-system to a 'one size fits all' pattern may be profitable now, but when it goes out of fashion (as it inevitably will, it's simply the way of the world), all the eggs will be in only the one basket and suddenly they're all going to have gone bad at once. I think this approach is short sighted - both for us users, but the fans too and, eventually, stock holders.

At the rate things are going, a few years down the line, Apple will be a 'once great company' that had an excellent breadth of products that has ended up with a homogenised bland set of products that don't really adapt to the market any more. And that'll truly be a shame.

Nah. Prosumer market is only going to grow, at least for the near future. So this is not a bad move, financially.

That's not saying Apple is abandoning the broadcast and film market totally. They are at least abandoning it temporarily for now. When FCP X matures, it again will be suitable for prime time. And so far it seems that's Apple's intention.

FCP 1 wasn't exactly ready for broadcast and film either, but people still adopted it due to extremely low price point and eventually it grew and became industry standard. But not before FCP 4 or so.
 
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dethmaShine

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You have got to be kidding... I think everyone thought it was going to pro ready from the beginning. The name of the software is final cut PRO!!! It is used mainly by professionals. Sure they are a few out there who have it and use it on occasion. However, this is not an iPad or iPod. This is something that people make their living off of.

The professionals Im sure were well aware that everything was not going to implemented on version 1. Totally get that. If you were expecting this perfect product, they are not a pro. However, we expect and we demand that the even in the first version of "pro" software, there are some pro features.

Look around, there is no one single pro feature in FCP X. Im defining pro features by features that lets us work in real environments. Sound, score, color. This isnt just about the big film guys, its about everyone who needs features to let them finish there product.

Apple has pissed on all the features that made FCP 7 great and great to work with in an environment with more than one person. I know so few editors that work in a complete bubble.

Pros take a lot of time to analyze a particular software and see whats great in it for them. They just don't pick up a new software and start to use it for their final projects.

As I said, there's ought to be a backlash and Apple rightfully deserves it.
 
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reel2reel

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Jul 24, 2009
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Final Cut X is a major shift in thinking how you edit. Some editors I suspect are complaining just because they don't want to change (granted they don't say that)

This is complete horse crap. If you can't adapt, you won't survive long in broadcasting. It's pretty simple. I can teach myself any software, it's just a tool. Just admit you don't what the gripes are because it doesn't affect you. Someone needs to put a lid on this "old school" editor BS.

Final Cut Pro X is so fantastic I went straight out and bought Final Cut Studio 3 before my suppliers went out of stock.

THAT's how much I like this new version.

Wow, that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense! Huh?? They're two entirely different beasts. If FCX blew your socks off, you shouldn't need the discontinued FCS. But you liked something so much you went out and bought something else?

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

This video made my day.
 
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caseydriscoll

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Nov 29, 2010
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I bought Final Cut Studio 2 in 2007 and I've been holding off on upgrading it until the new version came out.

Final Cut Pro X is so fantastic I went straight out and bought Final Cut Studio 3 before my suppliers went out of stock.

THAT's how much I like this new version.

I'm really disappointed in Apple's treatment of this part of the market at the moment. As with OS X Lion, they seem to be wanting to turn everything into an 'appliance' rather than an extensible tool.

I know the iPhone is probably Apple's biggest money spinner right now (and I love my iPhone a lot) but there's no excuse or logic behind using the same ethos on all the once extremely brilliant professional-use opportunities with the rest of the other products.

Whittling down the eco-system to a 'one size fits all' pattern may be profitable now, but when it goes out of fashion (as it inevitably will, it's simply the way of the world), all the eggs will be in only the one basket and suddenly they're all going to have gone bad at once. I think this approach is short sighted - both for us users, but the fans too and, eventually, stock holders.

At the rate things are going, a few years down the line, Apple will be a 'once great company' that had an excellent breadth of products that has ended up with a homogenised bland set of products that don't really adapt to the market any more. And that'll truly be a shame.

I think this is good insight, especially for the normal level of obnoxiousness on this board.

I definitely see the appliance change in everything they are doing, but do you think they are starting there and then developing the appliances into stronger tools? For instance, everyone has been yelling "post pc era" even though ios (until now) can't print, compile, or be set up with out a pc. We are now seeing 2 of those 3 in iOS 5.

I think there is still time to develop certain products into hardcore tools once again. They probably just need to exhaust this 'appliance' phase from their workflow, considering it is the area of their largest growth.

I'm willing to bet that even by next year, a year after lion, we will see attention on the hardcore users again, especially with the rumors we've been hearing about the new MacPro and carbonfiber whatever MacBookPro next summer. Sort of like Nintendo going casual to grab a wider base and then hardcore again

I could be wrong though and they might dump everything into appliances. I hope not.
 
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jclardy

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Right. They offered the previous version of iMovie for a long time as a download for anyone who bought the completely reworked iMovie.

But seriously, if Final Cut X can't do the tasks that were listed, what good is the software? Why choose FCX over iMovie?

Because in iMovie all you can do is use pre-made templates, titles and effects, none of which can be configured at all. If everyone just wanted to make home movies then iMovie would work for everyone.

FCPX is a great piece of software for the prosumer market to make professional looking videos/movies to distribute via the internet. It just isn't quite ready for the pro market. Or in some cases, the pro market isn't ready for FCPX. In an ideal world all video would be digital, in an open format that everyone could read and deal with, but broadcast TV doesn't work like that so they won't be able to use FCPX in its current state.

FCPX is really like Apple's recent hardware releases. The iPhone came out with an awesome interface and responsive core apps, but many complained because of its lack of features. Now, a few years later it has pretty much all the features that people complained about, but implemented in a different, sometimes better way. I feel FCPX will be the same way.
 
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milo

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Funny sketch.

Some editors I suspect are complaining just because they don't want to change...

Can we let the whole ridiculous "Fear Of Change" straw man argument die?

It's not fear of change, it's the inability to open old sessions and MISSING FEATURES THAT ARE CRUCIAL FOR MANY USERS.

I'm not sure if that's a hard thing for some people who are clueless about video editing to grasp or if the apologists are just ignoring that fact.


Wow, that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense! Huh?? They're two entirely different beasts. If FCX blew your socks off, you shouldn't need the discontinued FCS. But you liked something so much you went out and bought something else?

Or maybe you're just completely oblivious to sarcasm.


In an ideal world all video would be digital...

I assume you mean in an ideal world all video would be tapeless. High end video has been digial for a good twenty years or more. FCX struggles with tape whether it's digital or not. And even being tapeless would only help a little bit, the missing features go way beyond that.
 
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ps45

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Wow, that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense! Huh?? They're two entirely different beasts. If FCX blew your socks off, you shouldn't need the discontinued FCS. But you liked something so much you went out and bought something.

sarcasm often makes no sense when read literally.
 
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cburton

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All true but it doesn't explain why Apple had to discontinue FCP 7 and Server right away. Why not keep selling and supporting them until this new software becomes more mature

Agreed here ... I mean if I now was interested in turning those great new FCPX projects into professionally authored DVD's I guess they would like me to use Adobe's software, yes? I love working in DVD SP but it was just killed off with no suitable replacement delivered (or even spoken of).
 
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*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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Odd that he's mocking a Pro-level video-editing system on national TV in front of audiences who have likely never even heard of it, much less used it, much less care. But it did make for some great comedy. I certainly enjoyed it.

Just goes to show how well Apple is doing when the best that can be done is to pick a video editor (of all things!) they make and run with that.

I'm sure he storyboarded the idea on his iPad.
 
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