Conan O'Brien Mocks Final Cut Pro X

[Pigumon]

Still saying EX not TEN?

How stupid do you have to be to not know after TEN years that it's a ROMAN NUMERAL. X represents TEN. It's pronounced TEN. OS TEN, Final Cut Pro TEN.

It's easy to see why these "professionals" can't figure out new features.

Did they watch even ONE of the intro videos that say TEN over and over?

Seriously, it's amazing some people can even figure out how to get out of bed.

Having said that, I'm losing a lot of faith in Apple, they are releasing a lot of products lately missing basic features. iOS 5 still won't support printing? This is the fifth iteration! iPad cameras are barely SVGA?

 

[42streetsdown]

Lack of Log and Capture: Ok, this was just ridiculous. Sure, tapeless workflow is the wave of the future, but why would something like log and capture be taken out? Tapeless workflow is not fully implemented in the feature/tv world yet. Sure, the film might be shot tapeless, but the film I just worked on that shot on the Alexa had SR backups made on set. And we had to grab footage from those SR tapes because the Alexa had digital hits and artifacting that didn't transfer over to the tape. So the tape was clean and good to go.

Maybe the so called 'Professionals' should invest in a real digital camera like the RED one. Digital tape is a horrible media that needs to die. lossy compression, bad playback, horrible color rendition. Tapes should have gone away years ago.

 

[editorjacobs]

FWIW, Final Cut apparently has a larger cut of the video editing market than Adobe plus Avid combined. And it’s used for major TV shows and motion pictures:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/technology/personaltech/23pogue.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Apple could (and still can) do two things to make this just fine:

1. Keep the old version around to allow a REAL transition.

2. Keep evolving the new version until it matches the old features while still having the new benefits.

#2 is obviously happening. #1 isn’t, and that’s a blunder! Even if Apple reverses that situation (not unlikely) it’s still a failure to communicate clearly with their pros and handle the situation in a way that keeps peoples’ confidence.

Luckily, the old FC that everyone’s using hasn’t stopped working So pros who rely on it can craft their OWN transition timeline. No need to jump on X now.

Nagromme, I never said that FCP wasn't being used for tv and film. But the films mentioned in the NY Times article are the standard you always hear about. I'm surprised they didn't mention Walter Murch. But they don't mention the other 90% of films that are being edited on Avid.

While the article states that FCP has 54% of the market share...they clearly include student projects and industrials and so forth in that number. That is what I mean by Apple marketing properly. Of course FCP occupies 54% of the editing world. They make their system accessible to the masses and also easy to steal.

You don't really hear about Avid because Avid caters SPECIFICALLY to the tv/film professionals. I'm not trying to be a snob, just telling it like it is. I come from the narrative side of filmmaking and when working on studio films or bigger budget independents...Avid will be used more often than not.

Maybe the so called 'Professionals' should invest in a real digital camera like the RED one. Digital tape is a horrible media that needs to die. lossy compression, bad playback, horrible color rendition. Tapes should have gone away years ago.

Funny you should mention RED since FCPx doesn't currently support RED files. And as I mentioned, the film I just got done working on shot on the new Alexa Camera (which is beautiful by the way) and had we not used a SR backup...our Alexa files would have been unusable because of the digital hits that occurred through the processing of the files digitally. The footage on the SR tape was flawless.

Tapeless workflows will eventually be good, but until they are reliable...the industry will stick with its current workflows.

 

[chrismacguy]

Personally I think Final Cut Pro X will eventually get there... with Final Cut Pro X2 or XII or whatever its called, just as Final Cut Pro 3 was the first really useable version (And Yes, I have used Final Cut Pro from Final Cut Pro Version 1, and boy is Version 1/2 under OS 9 rather awful). Since I know Ill need to transition, Ive installed it on my MacBook Air so I can learn the new UI, however Im not going to transition my Desktop Editing system over until it has all the features of Final Cut Pro 7. Personally it gives me the best of both worlds, I can get work done and learn the new UI at the same time. As an editor, thats the only way I can see of playing it. (It should be noted I do have AVID Media Composer installed and I do use it for a few things, but I prefer Final Cut, not sure why, I guess its cos I used Final Cut first and for longer, but at this rate it looks like I might transition over to AVID permanently if FCPX doesn't gain back the features I need and sharpish, and it looks like I might not be alone in that decision)

 

[Sylonien]

Wonder what the BBC thinks of FCX, lol.

High praise for the old FC here.

http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/profiles/fullonfood/

So does FCX still work with Aja i/o products? And any plug-ins like Twixtor / MagicBullet?

 

[bpeeps]

Maybe the so called 'Professionals' should invest in a real digital camera like the RED one. Digital tape is a horrible media that needs to die. lossy compression, bad playback, horrible color rendition. Tapes should have gone away years ago.

Except Final Cut Pro X doesn't even support RED...

 

[Luis Ortega]

Except Final Cut Pro X doesn't even support RED...

Lol...Another blind fanboi owned.

 

[ZMacintosh]

He must have been pretty desperate for jokes that day lol

Gotta understand more to it than that. Im sure their writers came up with something this specific.

Conan? Who is Conan? Oh... that guy... he's still around?

Apparently someone who doesnt sit around on forums whining/complaining? He has a tv show for that


Its just funny to see people get pretty upset and offended by others making jokes about apple/apple products. apple sure isnt what it used to be anymore -- and it was pretty spot-on hilarious.

 

[adwebinc]

Video no longer accessible?

 

[JAT]

How stupid do you have to be to not know after TEN years that it's a ROMAN NUMERAL. X represents TEN. It's pronounced TEN. OS TEN, Final Cut Pro TEN.

This is what happens when you post in the middle of the night when you should be asleep.

 

[kainjow]

Video no longer accessible?

Official video:
http://teamcoco.com/video/conan-editors-love-final-cut

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Look around, there is no one single pro feature in FCP X. Im defining pro features by features that lets us work in real environments. Sound, score, color. This isnt just about the big film guys, its about everyone who needs features to let them finish there product.

You have to understand that by "Pro" Apple now means the same "Pro" that is used in the latest Macbook Pros. They are the "new Pro" which is to say they are CONSUMER TOYS, not "professional" gear. Apple's new word for "professional" has yet to be revealed. They'll probably call it Zeta X or something equally obtuse.

Apple has pissed on all the features that made FCP 7 great and great to work

They did the same thing to the Macbook Pro line after 2008 (replaced expansion port with crappy consumer oriented SD port, removed battery replacement panel so Pros could have extra batteries on hand when they NEED them, put a crappy glossy screen as the only option for some time and now charge more to get a cover for the screen underneath which is STILL glossy), removed the extra FW400 port and told people to use a dongle and the single 800 port for audio adapters, etc. and daisy-chain any 800 drives instead.) But Mac FANS said, "No they're STILL 'Pro'! Don't you see the label on them that says Pro?"

Apple has turned from a company that used to be big in publishing, graphics, movie and music production and made it into a smart phone company that happens to also sell really THIN computers. This is evidenced by the removal of the name "Computer" from Apple Computer. To paraphrase a line from Tron (obviously referring to Apple), they are not the same company that Steve and Woz started in their garage all those years ago. Hell, they're not the same company that was taking the world by storm a few years ago with the fastest mobile-rated notebook for Vista, Mac Vs. PC ads that clearly had Windows worried enough to respond (even until this day despite no Mac commercials what-so-ever, just iPhone/iPad ones). They're like a Radio Shack for the 21st Century. Get excited!

 

[THX1139]

All true but it doesn't explain why Apple had to discontinue FCP 7 and Server right away. Why not keep selling and supporting them until this new software becomes more mature

Probably because they couldn't afford to keep up on the development of the legacy software. They only have a couple billion $$ in the bank and I imagine keep a small team working on Final Cut Studio would be too expensive; they would risk going broke and out of business.

 

[THX1139]

I highly suspect that Apple's video team is scouring over every FCP review and feverishly taking notes. In 6-12 months, FCP's "Current Version" ratings will be 4.5 stars. I don't say this out of blind faith, but because FCP's foundation is strong and because Apple really wants FCP to be a success.

You make it sound like Apple didn't know what it was doing and accidentally released FCX without pro features. They had every intention of migrating to the mass consumer market and kicking the pros off the bus. They purposely left off multi-camera and tape support (among others). Not that they don't want to support professional requirements, but that's not where the money is at. Notice that the product is targeted at non-professionals and iToy users. Most everything can be done with it if you are an amateur or a small one man shop that doesn't need to share files. You know, the kind of person who doesn't spend much time editing and usually goes straight to Vimeo or Youtube. Anyway, Apple probably thinks it's better to sell FCX to millions of youtube type consumers than invest in helping out a hundred thousand or so professionals. They don't need to scour the reviews... they know EXACTLY what is missing and that it would piss-off a lot of people.

The irony in all of this is that they demoed FCX to the professionals at the LAFCPUG meetup. They got everyone drunk enough before showing FCX that most folks didn't realize they were being sold a load of crap.

 

[peskypesky]

As a professional editor who has worked on FCP for the past 7-8 years, it truly bums me out that the reviews of the new Final Cut X are so negative. Its also very worrisome.

But if it looks like Apple is giving up on FCP actually being a Pro application, I will have to convince my company to go back to using Avid. I learned how to edit on Avid Media Composers first, but we switched to FCP because it was SO much less expensive.

Guess it might be time for me to get my Avid chops back.

 

[Macmaniac]

Not a consumer discussion

TBH the amount of ignorance from the people on this board has reached a level of hilarity. As a consumer centered board most people commenting on FCP X have no idea why Pros are so angry. The whole idea of consumers yelling deal with it the interface is different is just silly. They just don't understand why these features matter to the pros, and until then, they shouldn't bother wasting their time commenting on it.

If I hear another person say you can live without tape, I will choke myself. It's like the crowd at a Nascar event trying to tell the driver when to change his tires, they have no clue.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

As a professional editor who has worked on FCP for the past 7-8 years, it truly bums me out that the reviews of the new Final Cut X are so negative. Its also very worrisome.

But if it looks like Apple is giving up on FCP actually being a Pro application, I will have to convince my company to go back to using Avid. I learned how to edit on Avid Media Composers first, but we switched to FCP because it was SO much less expensive.

Guess it might be time for me to get my Avid chops back.

The worst part was those e-mail comments supposedly from Steve Jobs awhile back about how fantastic the next FCP was going to be. Fantastic from an iToy point-of-view I suppose. The sad thing is that Steve should know better having helped bring Pixar into this world, but then I guess those are software rendering cameras, not mixing real world stuff.

 

[benthewraith]

Right. They offered the previous version of iMovie for a long time as a download for anyone who bought the completely reworked iMovie.

But seriously, if Final Cut X can't do the tasks that were listed, what good is the software? Why choose FCX over iMovie?

I heard somewhere that the installer for Final Cut Pro 7 relied on Rosetta. My guess, if that's true is, they wanted to have a version of Final Cut Pro on the market that was compatible with Lion. They rushed Final Cut Pro to release in order to make the deadline before Lion went onto the Mac App Store.

 

[Skika]

How stupid do you have to be to not know after TEN years that it's a ROMAN NUMERAL. X represents TEN. It's pronounced TEN. OS TEN, Final Cut Pro TEN.

It's easy to see why these "professionals" can't figure out new features.

Did they watch even ONE of the intro videos that say TEN over and over?

Seriously, it's amazing some people can even figure out how to get out of bed.

Having said that, I'm losing a lot of faith in Apple, they are releasing a lot of products lately missing basic features. iOS 5 still won't support printing? This is the fifth iteration! iPad cameras are barely SVGA?

I think your being oversensitive.

But hey, its you're opinion right?

 

[cesko]

Seems he...

also blamed NBC and Leno for his editor's dissatisfaction with FCPX.

 

[grue]

how stupid do you have to be to not know after ten years that it's a roman numeral. X represents ten. It's pronounced ten. Os ten, final cut pro ten.

It's easy to see why these "professionals" can't figure out new features.

Did they watch even one of the intro videos that say ten over and over?

Seriously, it's amazing some people can even figure out how to get out of bed.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10.

I can count to potato.

 

[grue]

Maybe the so called 'Professionals' should invest in a real digital camera like the RED one. Digital tape is a horrible media that needs to die. lossy compression, bad playback, horrible color rendition. Tapes should have gone away years ago.

If you could send a postcard from the left side of the bell curve, the rest of us would appreciate it.

 

[Jamnabot]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10.

I can count to potato.

They did the same thing with Quicktime Player too.
Why does apple hate the numbers 8 and 9 so much?

Maybe by the time FCPX is usable, they'll have made Quicktime Player X useful too.

I can dream

 

[theheadguy]

Apple stopped selling OS 9 when they released OS X.

Absolutely false. Apple no longer sold OS 9 on their web site, but you could call 1-800-MY-APPLE and order it for years.

 

[hugothomsen]

Well it had to happen at some point ...

that I identified an Apple product I definitely do NOT want. If the experts are so unhappy, what chance do I have of making anything of it ? Bin.
Adobe, have you got something for the Mac I can use ? Ah, yes ...

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Conan O'Brien mocked Apple's latest release of Final Cut Pro during his show last night. Final Cut Pro X has been receiving a significant number of negative reviews due to a loss of features as compared to Final Cut Pro 7.

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