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How are they messing you about? O2 have never officially announced when PAYG will be available, it's all been rumours and assumption that it'll be available on the 11th.

By messing about, I mean messing us all about by making the error of leaking information and then pretending it never happened. Keeping the PAYG up but refusing to discuss it and say, for example, we are hoping to provide the service in a couple of months, etc. but can't guarantee it. What does "soon" mean? Absolutely nothing. They are hedging their bets. They'll see how many contracts come forward and then when there are left overs these will be sold to the poor and miserly Pay & Go customers. Sure, they want to make money, but don't treat potential customers as second class. After all, all that upfront cash is not to be sneezed at, even if in the long term the contracts are more lucrative.
 
Im with you on this one. Im all for taking my custom away from a company that takes the p***s, even if it means not having the new iphone.

If they can keep us waiting for the phone, then I can wait even longer for a price drop and the 32 GB. It's up to them.
 
Yes we have.. and it's just some lame ass website trying to drive up hits. If they'd had this 'insider' information they claim they'd have known there wasn't going to be a PayG for a while, and said that.

All it's done for them is put electricpig on the 'ignore.. makes stuff up' category. Even places like macrumors (which is after all a rumour site) try to verify their stories.
 
They reckon Apple want £349 for the 8GB iPhone, and that O2 are fighting for £299.

i must be missing something because i don't see anything about apple wanting the price to be £349 and o2 fighting for £299.
 
By messing about, I mean messing us all about by making the error of leaking information and then pretending it never happened. Keeping the PAYG up but refusing to discuss it and say, for example, we are hoping to provide the service in a couple of months, etc. but can't guarantee it. What does "soon" mean? Absolutely nothing.

Oh, I agree with you. To play Devil's advocate though, if they really haven't been able to sort out an unsubsidised price (almost unbelievable at this stage, but then again this is a phone company) what should they do? Not mention PAYG at all? Potential customers lost. Say "We might do it, might not"? Potential customers lost. I think they're actually in a fairly tight spot on this one as they stand to lose business whatever they do.
 
A start would have been sending out an FAQ to all their stores and CS reps so they all gave the same answers... even if that was 'we aren't releasing information until a week before' or something similar.

I still can't see why they didn't do that - even their own CS was contradicting itself daily.
 
electric pig article

Just to put my pennies worth in, but does anyone think this article could also tie in with the news that belgium has canceled their conference on the new iphone. Maybe apple is also arguing with other countries that want to sell the iphone as PAYG and or sim free (dependent on the law in said country)?

It could also explain the reason way O2 still hasnt mentioned PAYG, are they still in talks with Apple?

I for one think this site is the best for any info and i dont trust or want to get worked up about stories on sites that have a load of advertising (stories put out to bump up the numbers) but if the story behind it is true then and apple is punishing us for hacking the 1st gen (come on, your telling me the US didn't hack it!) then we go back to the argument of is we weren't being held to ransom by one carrier/18 month contracts/being able to get hold of the phone then we wouldn't be hacking it!
 
O2 chat

Just got off the phone with O2.

I was originally going to ask them what i had to do to take over my friends 1st gen phone as they mention this as an option on their web site.

Strangely they asked why i wouldn't want to upgrade, to which i said that i've already been told i cant till october. Then "unofficially" the operator said that they think they'll wave that fact and let me upgrade, not bad i think, but i've still got to worry about what happens if i need to get out of the newly signed contract if i was move to Oz in Jan/feb 09.

Anyway, the interesting and scary thing she said was they still dont know all the T+C and details for the contract iphone and they will know more maybe monday and to call back on the 11th or 12th when they'll have all the info!

Good news about the upgrading, but so bad that a company selling the most anticipated phone have staff still none the wiser on whats going on!
 
Strangely they asked why i wouldn't want to upgrade, to which i said that i've already been told i cant till october. Then "unofficially" the operator said that they think they'll wave that fact and let me upgrade, not bad i think, but i've still got to worry about what happens if i need to get out of the newly signed contract if i was move to Oz in Jan/feb 09.

If you're a high value user to them they'll bend the rules, simply because they've already made their money back & keeping you happy means you're not likely to disappear off to another network.

In Jan/Feb 09 though you'll have to pay the contract off.
 
If you're a high value user to them they'll bend the rules, simply because they've already made their money back & keeping you happy means you're not likely to disappear off to another network.

In Jan/Feb 09 though you'll have to pay the contract off.

True.

I take the "pay off" will be however many months i have left at whatever rate im on?

If im right, on the £35pm tariff it'll be 11 x 35 = £385! ouch! But then if i wait till march i can drop it to £30pm, 9 x 30 = £270.

Plus the original iphone cost of £159.

My head hurts!:D
 
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Ok, so unless im missing something here (and im not putting that past me!) im a bit confused. Bare with me on this:

The PAYG iphone is unsubsidised right? (maybe apart from the minimum £10 pm top up?)

If i went for a 16gb upgrade on the £35pm contract tariff and then went out of the UK after 7 months the grand total to have that phone will be £35x 7= £245+rest of the contract pay off of 11 months at £35 = £385 plus the iphone 159 = £948!

If i was to have a PAYG it'll be £400 + £10pm (if it comes out before feb 09!!)

So how does this work? Surely the PAYG is meant to be more expensive???

Am i missing a big point?:confused:
 
So how does this work? Surely the PAYG is meant to be more expensive???

Am i missing a big point?:confused:

Yes, because in your case the PAYG cost covers 7 months whereas the contract covers 18. Obviously if you end the contract early it'll be more expensive for you: if you used the PAYG for 18mo and made more than a minimal number of calls it'd likely work out more (as you might need to top up more than £10/mo). The PAYG vs contracts costs and what amount of calls you need to make before a contract becomes cheaper was covered earlier in this thread.
 
Depends on what minutes you use.

If you use very few then PayG can be significantly cheaper.

If you use 20 minutes and no texts for 7 months the PayG costs £395 and the £35 costs £789.

If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs up to £1056
 
If i was to have a PAYG it'll be £400 + £10pm (if it comes out before feb 09!!)
how do you get this? if you recon your going in 7 months i would defo wait and get the payg as u may be able to unlock by the time u go and put an oz iphone card in - are they doing payg?

Otherwise I would still get £35 and call back from oz on month 9 and go down to £30, it would cost u £300 then 2 x 35 + 9 x 30 when u move and you would pay 35 x7 + 160 £405 hence contract is £705 in total, average that out per month in UK and getting the minutes/texts/data your £100pcm. Thats some dedication to getting in July rather than ~Sept on PAYG...:eek:

BTW, are you finding it therapeutic posting on this thread?
 
Depends on what minutes you use.

If you use very few then PayG can be significantly cheaper.

If you use 20 minutes and no texts for 7 months the PayG costs £395 and the £35 costs £789.

If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs £948.

Hhmm. I suppose if i upgrade and go to the £45 pm tariff i'll also save the cost of the iphone, then down grade after 9 months.

Its going to be a long week!
 
It's really all down to the minutes you use. Even the £30 can make sense in the absence of a PayG option (saving of £90 across the entire contract length). Most people seem to be in the £35 band though.
 
If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs up to £1056

And who ever uses their exact allowance? Either you use less and lose them or you use more and pay excess. I only ever hear of people trying use up their minutes, and telling me they feel safer with a contract because they know how much they spend.

I tell them exactly how much I spend a month on Virgin PAYG - between £1 and £5 a month, and I've never seen a contract that low.
 
Another issue to consider between a monthly contract and PAYG is what will happen with the iPhone 3.0. If you can update to the new one only from a contract and it comes in 12 month I think it makes sense the contract. Also I think the best one is the £45 per month and after 9 months downgrade.

cheers
 
Another issue to consider between a monthly contract and PAYG is what will happen with the iPhone 3.0. If you can update to the new one only from a contract and it comes in 12 month I think it makes sense the contract. Also I think the best one is the £45 per month and after 9 months downgrade.

cheers

Well I dont think we can take what is happening now with the current iphone upgrades to be the rule with subsequent years as they are subing it this time. Hence they want your full ~£750 off you over 18months. If they allow upgrades after 12months they will still need to get that additional 6month line rental plus what ever the 3.0 costs plus another 18 months. :eek:
 
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