Carrier [Confirmed] Verizon Unlimited Loophole

[TedJustAdmitit]

Does anybody know how long it takes once the new iphone has been upgraded and activated and then can be switched over to the uDp line? It's been like 30 hours and I still get "order pending". If someone answered it I will have major respect to the individual that could point it out to me. Also I would give a little shame for myself by not being able to find it. Thanks

 

[ajm222]

That's interesting. Your case seems to prove that you can actually transfer an upgrade from the ULD line to a dumbphone line and still keep ULD despite the contract being extended.

On that note, did you order through Verizon or Apple? And did it ask you to change your plan before checkout?

i ordered through verizon at 3am on the day the pre-order started. i clicked the pre-order link, chose to switch my upgrade to the dumbphone line, then chose the iphone for that line and had to add the 2gb data plan at that point. when the phone arrived i called verizon and told them to activate it on my line. after they did i asked if the ULD was still there and they said yes (the guy sounded surprised). i then asked him to cancel the 2gb data plan on the other line and he said it wasn't there. i've confirmed that it's still not showing on that line. assuming it automatically cancelled the 2gb data plan when the iphone was activated on my line with the ULD but no idea if that's how it actually works.

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I could see my plan changes online immediately after they made them.
It has like three 4G feature codes on there right now and UDL is still there.

You have to buy an iPhone 5 on the dumb phone line, no transfer.
The UDL line cannot be associated in any way with the order.
You cannot transfer an upgrade to the UDL, nor can you transfer an upgrade away from the UDL.
Activate it on the dumb phone line, and then have them remove it from the dumbphone line.
Once this is done, the iPhone 5 is now CPE (Customer Provided Equipment).
At the point you can do whatever you want with it without affecting UDL on the line you activate it on.

If you are really paranoid, call Verizon and have them put a note on your account.

I am pretty sure Verizon is well aware what we're doing and is letting us do it.
The vast majority of its customers willingly lose unlimited data, and we the minority are kept happy.
Everyone wins.

not in my case. people keep saying this but i switched an upgrade to our dumphone line, ordered the iphone, activated on my line with the ULD when it arrived and still have ULD. and i am certain my plan will not change in a week or two to some other data plan as the rep never asked me anything about it. they can't exactly just change your plan without your knowledge. i am certain the system would have popped up a message asking me to change my plan to something if that were the case and the rep would have asked what i wanted.

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and i didn't have to do anything stupid like get a new sim or wait 24 hours or any of that nonsense. not sure what's happened to all these other people. maybe it just depends on the rep how they handle the activation. though the guy i spoke with didn't seem to have any special info and even seemed surprised when i kept the ULD.

 

[xLiKx]

Just curious, anyone else able to do this online only without calling or going to a store?

 

[jester0723]

Just curious, anyone else able to do this online only without calling or going to a store?

Just call. I was stupid and turned on the iPhone and activated it on the dumbphone line and had to go get a new SIM card from Apple for it to work on my UDP line.

 

[TedJustAdmitit]

Just curious, anyone else able to do this online only without calling or going to a store?

I have tried to do it online, going to the store and over the phone. 48 hours later I am still unable to switch the iphone to my ULD. It still says "Pending Order" and no one can bypass that.

 

[thomasedison56]

Well, my situation was unique. I activated the phone on the non UDP line. Then had to acquire a new nano-sim from the Apple store (1st apple store already had none, went to 2nd apple store 20 miles away). After I got the new nano-sim I went to the Verizon corporate store. The guy said I would not keep my unlimited data even by switching phones. He said, "When I go to activate this phone on your unlimited line, it will require me to change your data package to a tiered plan". I didn't (and couldn't) believe this, so I simply asked him to un-activate the iphone 5 and put the dumb phone back on that line. I then proceeded to go back to the apple store, log into my.verizon and swapped phones on with no problems. It never asked me to change my data package. I think corporate might be catching on and requiring sales associates to stop the loophole at all costs. Words of advice- do it yourself.

 

[vickytor]

Well, my situation was unique. I activated the phone on the non UDP line. Then had to acquire a new nano-sim from the Apple store (1st apple store already had none, went to 2nd apple store 20 miles away). After I got the new nano-sim I went to the Verizon corporate store. The guy said I would not keep my unlimited data even by switching phones. He said, "When I go to activate this phone on your unlimited line, it will require me to change your data package to a tiered plan". I didn't (and couldn't) believe this, so I simply asked him to un-activate the iphone 5 and put the dumb phone back on that line. I then proceeded to go back to the apple store, log into my.verizon and swapped phones on with no problems. It never asked me to change my data package. I think corporate might be catching on and requiring sales associates to stop the loophole at all costs. Words of advice- do it yourself.

It appears store reps are going by the "subsidized phones can't keep their UDP rule" that was apparently stated by some Verizon spokesperson to 9to5 Mac. Since you got the phone subsidized, it's possible they immediately assume that you're one of those who can't keep your plan.

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i ordered through verizon at 3am on the day the pre-order started. i clicked the pre-order link, chose to switch my upgrade to the dumbphone line, then chose the iphone for that line and had to add the 2gb data plan at that point. when the phone arrived i called verizon and told them to activate it on my line. after they did i asked if the ULD was still there and they said yes (the guy sounded surprised). i then asked him to cancel the 2gb data plan on the other line and he said it wasn't there. i've confirmed that it's still not showing on that line. assuming it automatically cancelled the 2gb data plan when the iphone was activated on my line with the ULD but no idea if that's how it actually works.

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This whole thing started when some Verizon spokesperson told 9to5 Mac that ULD customers couldn't keep their plan when upgrading. Now I'm wondering if this is actually the case from the beginning. There's no one to testify as to whether this rule is actually true, since the information caused everyone to order from separate lines to avoid risking a loss of their ULD.

 

[imazu]

i know somebody posted here that has individual UDP and was successful on adding a line to get a subsidized phone and transfer it to the UDP. I just wanna confirm if this is really possible and didn't affect the UDP. And how much is the plan on the new line? just curious.. I got a full retail price phone but didn't really pay attention to this.

 

[suMMx]

Would this work if the family plan has 2 smart phones? 1 on unlimited data and one on 2gb?

Could I get the iPhone 5 with the line that's already capped at 2gb, then switch it over to the unlimited line?

So I want to do this, but the other 2gb capped plan is under contract with a 4s. can i Transfer my eligible upgrade to that phone's capped line, then buy the phone on that line. After, transfer the phone back to my line without losing the unlimited data?

I don't mind being under contract for 2 more years, I just don't want to be capped

 

[jmo1116]

I have a question: how many times can this loophole be used? If there is still a dummy line, can't the loophole technically work if another upgrade comes up and you transfer it to the dummy line again?

 

[jmo1116]

Anyone know the answer to the above post?

 

[From A Buick 8]

i know somebody posted here that has individual UDP and was successful on adding a line to get a subsidized phone and transfer it to the UDP. I just wanna confirm if this is really possible and didn't affect the UDP. And how much is the plan on the new line? just curious.. I got a full retail price phone but didn't really pay attention to this.

I was also following this part of the thread. I do not think anyone who had the individual UDP has posted since the phones started to arrive.

From what i remember about the post, the person added an extra line on a "Sub" account (that is what the poster called it). They used the sub account to order the iPH5 on. The strategy was to move the 5 to the ULD line and then they were going to activate a dumb phone on the sub account line and the anticipated cost was around $10.00 a month.

Have not heard if they were successful or not.

 

[PhoenixMac]

I was also following this part of the thread. I do not think anyone who had the individual UDP has posted since the phones started to arrive.

From what i remember about the post, the person added an extra line on a "Sub" account (that is what the poster called it). They used the sub account to order the iPH5 on. The strategy was to move the 5 to the ULD line and then they were going to activate a dumb phone on the sub account line and the anticipated cost was around $10.00 a month.

Have not heard if they were successful or not.

I did exactly that and it's $10 a month to add it to a family plan.

UDP in tact for iPhone 5.

 

[PhoenixMac]

i know somebody posted here that has individual UDP and was successful on adding a line to get a subsidized phone and transfer it to the UDP. I just wanna confirm if this is really possible and didn't affect the UDP. And how much is the plan on the new line? just curious.. I got a full retail price phone but didn't really pay attention to this.

Read above post.

 

[imazu]

I did exactly that and it's $10 a month to add it to a family plan.

UDP in tact for iPhone 5.

You have family plan not the individual plan? Right?

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I was also following this part of the thread. I do not think anyone who had the individual UDP has posted since the phones started to arrive.

From what i remember about the post, the person added an extra line on a "Sub" account (that is what the poster called it). They used the sub account to order the iPH5 on. The strategy was to move the 5 to the ULD line and then they were going to activate a dumb phone on the sub account line and the anticipated cost was around $10.00 a month.

Have not heard if they were successful or not.

I am confused on that part they call "sub" and adding a line. The rep from Verizon told me that of I add a line on my individual account with UDP it will make my line Share Everything and to keep the added line as basic is $40. He made it clear that it does work on family plan but with individual kinda impossible according to him.

 

[apb89]

Anyone have any clue as to how long my unlimited data will last? Since I technically didn't upgrade my line to the iPhone 5, I think my contract is up in October 2013. Will I have to upgrade my line/contract at that time? Or can I just keep using my 5 with the unlimited data into 2014 and longer??

Any info is greatly appreciated.

 

[From A Buick 8]

Anyone have any clue as to how long my unlimited data will last? Since I technically didn't upgrade my line to the iPhone 5, I think my contract is up in October 2013. Will I have to upgrade my line/contract at that time? Or can I just keep using my 5 with the unlimited data into 2014 and longer??

Any info is greatly appreciated.

When your contract expires you will continue on a month to month contract. From there Verizon can do what they want, noone knows how long the ULD will continue. My guess is after the last phone sold that received the Uld plan contract has expired then verizon will drop the ULD.

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You have family plan not the individual plan? Right?

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I am confused on that part they call "sub" and adding a line. The rep from Verizon told me that of I add a line on my individual account with UDP it will make my line Share Everything and to keep the added line as basic is $40. He made it clear that it does work on family plan but with individual kinda impossible according to him.

Yes i think we are out of luck, those on this thread who thoght it worked for the indvidule plan are not posting any confirmations.

 

[SandersTP]

When your contract expires you will continue on a month to month contract. From there Verizon can do what they want, noone knows how long the ULD will continue. My guess is after the last phone sold that received the Uld plan contract has expired then verizon will drop the

Potentially this is the case. Although, I have never seen any customers who are mandated to upgrade their plan especially if they retain the same hardware, aside from two occasions where I had customers call about a 10+yr old Alltel plan.

Some people don't understand what grandfathered means. It doesn't mean you can keep the plan/feature forever and change other components of your plan/account, but it means you are allowed to keep the plan/feature barring those types of changes. Technically some hardware changes affect that as well. When you upgrade (get the discounted price toward a phone), you have to get a new contract. When you get a new contract, you need "current pricing." Which grandfathered features never are =\

So the ways around that are to leave that line's contract alone. Pay full price, use the upgrade from a different line, whatever takes to not extend the contract.

 

[apb89]

Potentially this is the case. Although, I have never seen any customers who are mandated to upgrade their plan especially if they retain the same hardware, aside from two occasions where I had customers call about a 10+yr old Alltel plan.

Some people don't understand what grandfathered means. It doesn't mean you can keep the plan/feature forever and change other components of your plan/account, but it means you are allowed to keep the plan/feature barring those types of changes. Technically some hardware changes affect that as well. When you upgrade (get the discounted price toward a phone), you have to get a new contract. When you get a new contract, you need "current pricing." Which grandfathered features never are =\

So the ways around that are to leave that line's contract alone. Pay full price, use the upgrade from a different line, whatever takes to not extend the contract.

Thanks for this info; so to be clear, in theory if I just leave this line 'alone' going forward, Verizon shouldn't really make me upgrade mandatorily? Also, I am on a family share plan with Verizon; does that really matter?

 

[SandersTP]

Thanks for this info; so to be clear, in theory if I just leave this line 'alone' going forward, Verizon shouldn't really make me upgrade mandatorily? Also, I am on a family share plan with Verizon; does that really matter?

Basically, that's the case. Worst scenario, you end up using hordes of data and are in a high traffic part of the network (they like the call throttling "network optimization"). But the family plan only helps you since that only potentially provides other lines to upgrade from. And in that case....

(other thread copy/paste)

Since using an alternate upgrade allows the line the phone is ultimately going to to retain it's unlimited data. Verizon has made it so that by some avenues (online and possibly in store), you cannot share an upgrade between two lines that *both* are eligible. So if you have an upgrade on your line with unlimited, you have to use that upgrade and lose it. Unless you call in and ask a rep to do it for you (or just activate the device on the proper line when you receive it by.... calling in).

 

[From A Buick 8]

Potentially this is the case. Although, I have never seen any customers who are mandated to upgrade their plan especially if they retain the same hardware, aside from two occasions where I had customers call about a 10+yr old Alltel plan.

Some people don't understand what grandfathered means. It doesn't mean you can keep the plan/feature forever and change other components of your plan/account, but it means you are allowed to keep the plan/feature barring those types of changes. Technically some hardware changes affect that as well. When you upgrade (get the discounted price toward a phone), you have to get a new contract. When you get a new contract, you need "current pricing." Which grandfathered features never are =\

So the ways around that are to leave that line's contract alone. Pay full price, use the upgrade from a different line, whatever takes to not extend the contract.

Well i like the sound of that, im going to be buying the 5 outright soon and i would be less than happy if the ULD was dropped in a year.

 

[bisnicks]

Help!

Can someone help clarify if it'll work with my situation or not? I've read through this thread but there seems to be conflicting info.

Here is how it is:

Me- iPhone 4S - Unlimited Data
Dad- iPhone 4S - 2GB data
Brother- iPhone 4S - 2GB data
Mom- Dumbphone - No data plan

We have an upgrade coming up in October and the plan is to:
1. Switch the upgrade to my Mom's line
2. Buy the iPhone 5 using her number and sign her up for the 2GB data plan
3. Get the phone, leave it turned off
4. Enter the IMEI/MEID online under activate/ switch phones on my line

and then am I good? Do I need to call Verizon to have them cancel the data plan or will it just stay off since it was never activated on her account? Also, is there anyway that I could sell my 4S before activating the iPhone 5 and just using an old dumbphone, or will that kick me off my unlimited data?

Not sure if it's an issue that the upgrade isn't necessarily for her line. It's either my Dad or Brother's line (not my UDP line), however, they both have the 2GB data plans. I figured I could just transfer the upgrade to her line.

Hopefully I was clear enough with my explanation! Any help would be appreciated!

 

[spacebetween]

A friend of mine has an iPhone from a friend's account (not attached to his UDP plan) that he's planning on activating on his UDP line. I suggested he go in and get an extra SIM card from Verizon or Apple ahead of time to make the process go smoother.

Apple and Verizon Reps BOTH told him that a SIM card was NOT needed to activate the phone.

Um, what?

Proof that ask 10 different people the same question and you're likely to get 10 different answers.

 

[From A Buick 8]

Can someone help clarify if it'll work with my situation or not? I've read through this thread but there seems to be conflicting info.

Here is how it is:

Me- iPhone 4S - Unlimited Data
Dad- iPhone 4S - 2GB data
Brother- iPhone 4S - 2GB data
Mom- Dumbphone - No data plan

We have an upgrade coming up in October and the plan is to:
1. Switch the upgrade to my Mom's line
2. Buy the iPhone 5 using her number and sign her up for the 2GB data plan
3. Get the phone, leave it turned off
4. Enter the IMEI/MEID online under activate/ switch phones on my line

and then am I good? Do I need to call Verizon to have them cancel the data plan or will it just stay off since it was never activated on her account? Also, is there anyway that I could sell my 4S before activating the iPhone 5 and just using an old dumbphone, or will that kick me off my unlimited data?

Not sure if it's an issue that the upgrade isn't necessarily for her line. It's either my Dad or Brother's line (not my UDP line), however, they both have the 2GB data plans. I figured I could just transfer the upgrade to her line.

Hopefully I was clear enough with my explanation! Any help would be appreciated!

Yes it sounds like your plan will work. I would not put the "dumb" phone on the ULD plan, just wait to sell the 4s after you get everything switched.

It does look like some folks have had success switching the phones online.

 

[risk235]

i ordered through verizon at 3am on the day the pre-order started. i clicked the pre-order link, chose to switch my upgrade to the dumbphone line, then chose the iphone for that line and had to add the 2gb data plan at that point. when the phone arrived i called verizon and told them to activate it on my line. after they did i asked if the ULD was still there and they said yes (the guy sounded surprised). i then asked him to cancel the 2gb data plan on the other line and he said it wasn't there. i've confirmed that it's still not showing on that line. assuming it automatically cancelled the 2gb data plan when the iphone was activated on my line with the ULD but no idea if that's how it actually works.

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not in my case. people keep saying this but i switched an upgrade to our dumphone line, ordered the iphone, activated on my line with the ULD when it arrived and still have ULD. and i am certain my plan will not change in a week or two to some other data plan as the rep never asked me anything about it. they can't exactly just change your plan without your knowledge. i am certain the system would have popped up a message asking me to change my plan to something if that were the case and the rep would have asked what i wanted.

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and i didn't have to do anything stupid like get a new sim or wait 24 hours or any of that nonsense. not sure what's happened to all these other people. maybe it just depends on the rep how they handle the activation. though the guy i spoke with didn't seem to have any special info and even seemed surprised when i kept the ULD.

That sounds promising. I plan to transfer my upgrade (unlimited data) to a dumb phone.