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How did this get 36 likes?! This is Apple not abandoning pro users!
This forum needs a clear up. My hopes aren't high, though.
The writing was on the wall when Apple stopped selling xserver, xsan, os x server and then released a Mac Pro that didn't look anything like professional hardware. I believe at their core Apple felt the desktop was dead and the iMac was the last transition piece. Everyone was suppose to migrate to portables, I mean they're powerful enough, aren't they.
I look at this with great skepticism and feel like they're just doing it to string people along. If they were serious, they'd put something on the market right away to appease the user base. Updating the current Mac Pro is just more of the same and I could not care less. Do they honestly expect me to buy what they have now and wait 2 years.
Apple is looking for their next cash cow and this isn't it.
I look at this with great skepticism and feel like they're just doing it to string people along. If they were serious, they'd put something on the market right away to appease the user base. Updating the current Mac Pro is just more of the same and I could not care less. Do they honestly expect me to buy what they have now and wait 2 years.
Apple is looking for their next cash cow and this isn't it.
But there was no FirePro released between 2012 and August 2014. The 2013 Mac Pro based the GPUs off the latest FirePro's that were available at the time. It isn't unlike the Xeon vs mainstream Intel CPU issue, where the workstation parts lag generationally.
Easy if you're sitting on your hands. Don't leave out the fact that Apple has been doing this for over 30 years, it' snot like they're starting from scratch and have no experience. Your analogy is a joke, right.
I am happy that this article exists, so many people have been hostile, telling us that we need to embrace/get used to touch-bar and that we hate change - face it guys, some thing's just don't work - and this touch bar is a huge hindrance to Pro-use. Maybe if you are a certain type of professional (who use very specific app), you may get more use out of such a thing, but this is a nightmare for developers/coder's or people who just like having distinct separate hardware key's which can be "felt" out.
What would have been nice is if all they did was make these keys custom light up to different icon's and allow complex key mappings that you usually can't (e.g. make F2 do full screen), that would have been an innovation and wouldn't have affected normal use. You'll lose the scrolling/scrubbing functionality, but who really needs it? Most pro users will be docked or at least be using a mouse.
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If they make the next rMBP without a touch-bar, I will be back in the market for one.
You know everyone here is hearing "modular design" and are going nuts thinking that an end-user will be able to plug whatever they want into a new Mac Pro. No. Modular design means Apple themselves will be able to switch parts as they see fit going forward. Modular? Yes. User being able to use third-party off-the shelf-parts? HELL NO.
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What i don't get about this article is that they say "complaints about the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar" but then in the interview with Apple, Phil Schiller says ""Our brand new MacBook Pro's was about 20 percent growth year over year from the previous year. So again, our notebooks are doing really well" if that's the case are Apple happy with the Touch Bar MacBook Pro or not, because this article makes it sound like they are not.
This is wonderful news. A new modular mac pro, possibly with a high end Nvidia Quadro GPU inside. Maybe even internal expansion (we haven't seen that for a while).
I dab a little with audio editing using Pro Tools HD. I don't know how many of you MacRumors guys know about this, but it's a proprietary setup that requires a PCI-e card to rout your audio from. When the new mac pro was announced, we were SOL, because we couldn't use the new mac pro unless we had a special Thunderbolt adapter for it. It was really clunky and we had a mess of cables and setup was a nightmare. Didn't like how Apple makes things thinner when you have to have dongles and other external peripherals just because you can't fit them inside the main machine anymore, which was really annoying. And when it comes to ergonomics, which was Apple's biggest selling point for going this rout, their shortcomings can be best described by this picture:
I'm not actually sure if Apple will keep this philosophy of shrinking everything at the expense of convenience, but it wouldn't kill them to make it slightly larger just so that we don't have to plug in a bunch of external peripherals and shove them off to the side somewhere. But Apple talking modular designs these days is practically unheard of. Maybe there is hope for the company yet.
I've been already in the process of breaking away from the Apple ecosystem. Skipped the macbook pro in favor of a wacom tablet computer, which runs on Windows. I still have some issues with Windows, and DPI scaling is still wonky. But it's still perfectly usable. I still don't agree with Apple's unusually conservative approach to touch screen macs considering that Microsoft is leading the industry towards that. And it's been fairly successful at that. One can only pretend that it won't be ideal for so long, until you begin to find the majority of technology uses touch integration in some way, in which case, you'd be lagging behind the times.
But enough about all that, this is Mac Pro news that I welcome. It's about time they put some attention to their pro machines. I'm finally excited to see what they come up with.
I dab a little with audio editing using Pro Tools HD. I don't know how many of you MacRumors guys know about this, but it's a proprietary setup that requires a PCI-e card to rout your audio from. When the new mac pro was announced, we were SOL, because we couldn't use the new mac pro unless we had a special Thunderbolt adapter for it. It was really clunky and we had a mess of cables and setup was a nightmare. Didn't like how Apple makes things thinner when you have to have dongles and other external peripherals just because you can't fit them inside the main machine anymore, which was really annoying. And when it comes to ergonomics, which was Apple's biggest selling point for going this rout, their shortcomings can be best described by this picture:
I'm not actually sure if Apple will keep this philosophy of shrinking everything at the expense of convenience, but it wouldn't kill them to make it slightly larger just so that we don't have to plug in a bunch of external peripherals and shove them off to the side somewhere. But Apple talking modular designs these days is practically unheard of. Maybe there is hope for the company yet.
I've been already in the process of breaking away from the Apple ecosystem. Skipped the macbook pro in favor of a wacom tablet computer, which runs on Windows. I still have some issues with Windows, and DPI scaling is still wonky. But it's still perfectly usable. I still don't agree with Apple's unusually conservative approach to touch screen macs considering that Microsoft is leading the industry towards that. And it's been fairly successful at that. One can only pretend that it won't be ideal for so long, until you begin to find the majority of technology uses touch integration in some way, in which case, you'd be lagging behind the times.
But enough about all that, this is Mac Pro news that I welcome. It's about time they put some attention to their pro machines. I'm finally excited to see what they come up with.
Make it a $200 add-on, every one is happy
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It's says surge in sales of old models "Apple saw a surge of orders for older MacBook Pros instead of the new model".
So a good portion of the extra sales could easily be in other models or older models than the new Macbook Pro (once it was launched and people went "No!").
Make it a $200 add-on, every one is happy
By the sound of it the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has sold well (Phil said it was about 20 per cent growth year over year) and they had sold "a lot of them" so i think it's more the "Pro" that had the initial response and it's either died down or more none pro users have been buying the Touch Bar models.
Yes people want Macbook Pros, the problem is you are going to buy what is offered. That doesn't mean that what you bought is the best possible Macbook Pro that could potentially exist.
Yea but in the actual interview Phil Schiller said
"Obviously, as you know, we just did a very major update to the MacBook Pro line. That’s going very well. Customers absolutely love it, we’ve had a lot of customers buying them. Big numbers, as I said, 20 percent growth year over year."
Yes but if people weren't happy why buy something you aren't happy with? myself for example i'm looking at buying the MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar because i have had some proper hands on time with it and i liked it, had i felt otherwise i wouldn't entertain the idea of buying something i didn't like especially at the higher price points. Yea i understand your last point but something can always be better, you can buy the best at time but it will soon be outdated by something else, cars, phones, laptops and so on are all examples really.
So when Tim said he had big plans for the Mac that was all he had, plans.
Tim seems very keen to be a social warrior, so perhaps he should leave to head a charity and let someone who's interested in communication technology lead Apple.
Tim seems very keen to be a social warrior, so perhaps he should leave to head a charity and let someone who's interested in communication technology lead Apple.
There was a lot of pent up demand for a new MBP. But I'm guessing something in the numbers (maybe returns, maybe a correspondingly large number of sales of the previous models) signaled that there is a potential issue.
An apology and an admission is not enough. Someone in charge of hardware, like Schiller, should be fired.
I would hope so, but I doubt it.
I believe that they really thought that this is what pros wanted - the MBP touchbar and the trash can Mac Pro and that they imagined some idealised professional that just does visual (movie) work.
A professional user of a Mac(book) Pro is not just one easy to pigeon hole type of person, it can be:
1. The graphics professional
2. The engineer, who may not care about graphics, but wants some legacy ports and good CPU performance
3. Other developers in various fields where - locking the Mac Pro to one GPU provider really sucks
4. The business executive who travels and would like a few legacy ports and good battery life. GPU unnecessary.
5. etc...
At the end of the day, they tried to convince professionals that what looked cool and sexy (slim, touch bar, trash can design) was what they wanted, and the pros said: no - that is form over function - we are not a consumer market where you can convince us of our needs through marketing.
I hope this means a return to building tools (MBPs and MPs) for professionals of all kinds.
nVidia doesn't let Apple customise their chips to Apple's requirements. AMD does work with Apple in that regard. As long as as nVidia keeps up the "my way or the highway" approach we're not ever going to see a nVidia GPU in a Macbook Pro.