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I think the last days have shown clearly, that Apple wants to be in the PC business very much.

Sure.

But Apple wanted to be in the high-end workstation business in 2013... and that's why they're stuck in this current situation. :)

Yes... Apple wants to remain in the PC business... but their decisions can be somewhat questionable at times.
 
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2019? :**D , I don't think any pro user will stay with the company until 2019 with their 2013 pro computers.
 
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Just came across the original mMac: the molar Mac. Thought some of you might enjoy it.

 
I'm somewhat disappointed that Apple thinks it's the "constant negativity" to blame for the problems with the Mac Pros. At work, I know 5-6 people just at my small division, who wanted to upgrade to the new Mac Pro but didn't because it didn't fit their computational needs, so they kept using their old machines. They still use their old Mac Pros three years later.

Apple went with form over function, and it blew up in their face. Now they're thinking of redoing the whole lineup again.
 
Their shortcomings can be best described by this picture:
39417d1373258854-new-apple-mac-pro-internal-bay-expandability-vs-external-ports-mac-pro-2013-vs-2012-png

This picture was always complete BS.
Optical disks were dead even by 2013 - Pic shows 2
3 Separate External disks.
A breakout box with a freaking RS232 Connector.
A firewire Connector - also obsolete.
An Audio Break out controller - which has nothing to do with anything. You'd need that on both
Oh and the Bluray - also would need it on both

The fact is 90% of the old Mac pro's I've used in studios were run stock and never upgraded. 1 or 2 Spinner HHDs - stock Ram they came with and worse the stack GPU.

This is often the same with PCs - They are bought from Dell/HP/BOXX or whoever and then not touched - Quite often because I.T don't wan't to mess with warranties.

Sure SOME independent do upgrade. I did... Maxed out my 2008 with RAM and a Hacked GPU

But this image was always complete BS. I work on my nMP with a single Thunderbolt going to an array in my garage... with over 40TB storage. Currently 5 x 8TB Drives.

I do very high end TV and film animation on my nMP perfectly happily... and Render anything beyond tests off site at a renderfarm ( 5000 CPUs - beat that! ) I work locally on the nMP using the internal Drive as a working drive then offload to the Array when complete. And i've made about 600K since I bought it... I also have a second in a flight case with a built in monitor I can take to a shoot.

People keep saying it's not pro... and I agree it's now outdated - They should have updated the GPU at least - Utterly stupid they have not. But it's still pretty damn powerful if you are using the right apps.
 
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At the end of the day, they tried to convince professionals that what looked cool and sexy (slim, touch bar, trash can design) was what they wanted, and the pros said: no - that is form over function - we are not a consumer market where you can convince us of our needs through marketing.

I hope this means a return to building tools (MBPs and MPs) for professionals of all kinds.

To be honest I like apple - as a professional - also because their stuff looks cool and sexy, they do not need to convince me. However, functionality is a prerequisite.

They also need to change another very important issue in Europe:
as a startup you cannot get a leasing for a Mac without giving a private guarantee.
This is a no go, especially considering the huge pile of cash they are sitting on and considering that you can get it from known leasing companies for any pc.
It is plain ignorance of Pros needs, it has nothing to do with design or function.
They just ignored us since 2012.
 
Two to three years for product-development for something as complex as a Mac Pro is not at all out-of-line.

Other manufatures can pump put updated/new laptops yearly. Apple doesn't even have to invent anything, they just have to by the chips/items, place it on a motherboard using the provided "How to I hook this up to this bus / chipset instructions" and place-route the thing. All they are doing hardwarewize is cramming standard PC stuff into a case of thier choosing with maybe a few additional sensors (Not counting the new Macbook Pro, it has a Apple Watch hooked up to a bus on standard laptop hardware).
 
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I think Apple crapped themselves yesterday morning when they woke up realised that their whole business model revolved around an overpriced, starting to look boring, phone!! Last week out of my irritation towards apple over ignoring us for some many years I couldn't bring myself to buy a new iPhone so I bought the Pixel and I'm sold - if you haven't got into Android yet I would highly recommend it (after a couple of days of getting used to it). Life exists outside apple - too little, too expensive and too late for me!
 
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I think Apple crapped themselves yesterday morning when they woke up realised that their whole business model revolved around an overpriced, starting to look boring, phone!!

A phone that relies on apps developed on Macs that they did not manage to update. Smart.
 
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Complaints about the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar I wonder if that means Apple won't support the Touch Bar after this and may drop the Touch Bar model, I was actually thinking about buying one later this year but I might wait now.
What surprised me, but didn't was that Apple had a run on 2015 MBPs, so while the MBP sales did spike with the release of the 2016 model, it wasn't really the 2016 model being sold. I'm sure many people did buy it, but the rosy picture Cook painted was not all accurate.
 
An apology and an admission is not enough. Someone in charge of hardware, like Schiller, should be fired.

What's there to fire? The hardware dept oversees everything. As of the end of last year,

The iPhone installed base has grown by 500M users.
The iPad installed base has grown by 175M users.
The Mac installed base has grown by 50M users.
Apple introduced Apple Watch, the company's first wearable product. Approximately 18M Apple Watches, a device positioned as an iPhone accessory, have been sold to date.
Apple is earning more than $6B per year of revenue through app sales via the App Store.
Apple successfully made the difficult jump from a paid music download model to streaming and is approaching 20M paying Apple Music subscribers.
Apple continues to push forward with Apple TV. The company is approaching 10M units sold since the device was updated in 2015.
Apple continues to develop key services including Apple Pay, Messages, and Maps.

You can't just look at the neglect of the Mac in a vacuum and claim that someone's head needs to roll because of that.
 
What's there to fire? The hardware dept oversees everything. As of the end of last year,

The iPhone installed base has grown by 500M users.
The iPad installed base has grown by 175M users.
The Mac installed base has grown by 50M users.
Apple introduced Apple Watch, the company's first wearable product. Approximately 18M Apple Watches, a device positioned as an iPhone accessory, have been sold to date.
Apple is earning more than $6B per year of revenue through app sales via the App Store.
Apple successfully made the difficult jump from a paid music download model to streaming and is approaching 20M paying Apple Music subscribers.
Apple continues to push forward with Apple TV. The company is approaching 10M units sold since the device was updated in 2015.
Apple continues to develop key services including Apple Pay, Messages, and Maps.

You can't just look at the neglect of the Mac in a vacuum and claim that someone's head needs to roll because of that.

IPad sales are diving for 12 quaters straight. The Mac sales are barely holding on.

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Unless the next iPhone lives up to expectations at the right price, it's next on the decline.
 
THIS IS ALL ABOUT CORPORATE GREED....look lets face it apple knows they have no competition so you have to buy whatever they come out with and can take their time because they can make more margin on older computers than new computers.That was a bunch of B.S. from phil, this is not rocket science, companies all over the world upgrade every 6 months, just pure greed on apples part. I'm seriously now thinking of windows, they have grown and can expect upgraded hardware every year. Even if apple comes out with a mac pro, it might mean another 3 years for an upgrade, so ask yourself whether you want to stick with a company that takes their users for granted. They are in a good financial position and laptops / desktops make a small portion of their profits, the writing is in the wall they will go with iOS sooner or later.
 
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What surprised me, but didn't was that Apple had a run on 2015 MBPs, so while the MBP sales did spike with the release of the 2016 model, it wasn't really the 2016 model being sold. I'm sure many people did buy it, but the rosy picture Cook painted was not all accurate.

I think this is very telling, after reading the article on her i was a little concerned that Apple may kill the Touch Bar model's but after reading what Phil said about it i don't think they will, in fact i think they will develop it further and over time it will get better and better.
 

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IPad sales are diving for 12 quaters straight. The Mac sales are barely holding on.

ipad-sales.png


Unless the next iPhone lives up to expectations at the right price, it's next on the decline.

And Apple shares have never been higher, plus even Warren Buffet has declared himself bullish on Apple.

News of Apple's impending demise just because of a few outdated Macs are greatly exaggerated, much as some of the more vocal critics here wish it were true to serve as a middle finger to Apple for daring to neglect their beloved platform.
 
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This picture was always complete BS.
Optical disks were dead even by 2013 - Pic shows 2
3 Separate External disks.
A breakout box with a freaking RS232 Connector.
A firewire Connector - also obsolete.
An Audio Break out controller - which has nothing to do with anything. You'd need that on both
Oh and the Bluray - also would need it on both

The fact is 90% of the old Mac pro's I've used in studios were run stock and never upgraded. 1 or 2 Spinner HHDs - stock Ram they came with and worse the stack GPU.

This is often the same with PCs - They are bought from Dell/HP/BOXX or whoever and then not touched - Quite often because I.T don't wan't to mess with warranties.

Sure SOME independent do upgrade. I did... Maxed out my 2008 with RAM and a Hacked GPU

But this image was always complete BS. I work on my nMP with a single Thunderbolt going to an array in my garage... with over 40TB storage. Currently 5 x 8TB Drives.

I do very high end TV and film animation on my nMP perfectly happily... and Render anything beyond tests off site at a renderfarm ( 5000 CPUs - beat that! ) I work locally on the nMP using the internal Drive as a working drive then offload to the Array when complete. And i've made about 600K since I bought it... I also have a second in a flight case with a built in monitor I can take to a shoot.

People keep saying it's not pro... and I agree it's now outdated - They should have updated the GPU at least - Utterly stupid they have not. But it's still pretty damn powerful if you are using the right apps.

You focus an awful lot about how it's "BS" as you call it, because the image happens to include peripherals that you personally don't need. When in reality what I was referring to was that I needed a hack to use one of these:
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This is a piece of equipment that is required for me to use. Show me where I can insert this into a mac pro. I'll wait.

The industry does not care that Thunderbolt is the "new and exciting thing". It only cares about whether or not you can do your job. And if your equipment becomes so old and outdated that you can no longer do your job effectively, then it's time to upgrade. Otherwise, don't sit here and tell me that what is otherwise functional, reliable equipment is bad because apple decided to sacrifice internal expansion because reasons. If you want to replace everything you own so that it'll work with the new USB-C standard, that's your prerogative. Meanwhile, I don't care about Apple's fashion sense. If their new computers don't do the thing I need them to do, then I won't invest in them. Simple as that.
 
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Yea but in the actual interview Phil Schiller said

"Obviously, as you know, we just did a very major update to the MacBook Pro line. That’s going very well. Customers absolutely love it, we’ve had a lot of customers buying them. Big numbers, as I said, 20 percent growth year over year."

Phil missed it! The buyers where MacBook & MacBook Air lovers who needed to upgrade their older systems. It was not the core 'REAL Pro' MacBook Pro lovers.This is why you see a conflict in the numbers.
 
And Apple shares have never been higher, plus even Warren Buffet has declared himself bullish on Apple.

News of Apple's impending demise just because of a few outdated Macs are greatly exaggerated, much as some of the more vocal critics here wish it were true to serve as a middle finger to Apple for daring to neglect their beloved platform.
I don't think anyone is saying Apple is doomed, nor does the stock price currently have anything to do with the discussion. The issue is that Apple was surprised by the failure of the Mac Pro 3 years ago, and now the large amount of people either buying the 2015 MBP instead of the 2016 or just leaving the platform. Apple finally realized they cannot just slap an apple logo on anything and it will sell like hotcakes.

They've largely lost me as a customer for the laptops due to what features its offers (rather what features are missing), and the price. While I'm not even considered a drop in the bucket, there seems to be others, more vocal, more prominent that have caught Apple's attention, to the point where they did something unprecedented. Held a closed door media session with some select journalists and apologized stating they'll have something better in the future for professionals. I'm not sure if that means 2018, or 2019 though
 
What we want is a blisteringly fast, cutting-edge Mac.
We don't care if it's thin, cylindrical or alooominum.
We want to be able to show our Macs to PC guys so they go, "wow, I'd like one of those!"

It's suddenly dawned on Apple that if they stop pottering around trying to make ****ing cars, they can make the best computers money can buy... just like they did ten years ago.
 
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