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'Constant Negativity' From Pro Users Led Apple to Develop Modular Mac Pro, Which May Not Ship Until 2019
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oo I like it. How about a rose gold version? that'd look really good in the data center, but they'd have to add some 'executive lights' to the front panel.
We don't need the low-latency/high-speed of SSD - 10TB of spinning is about 1/10 the price. Budgets suck
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Well, when you haven't done it in a while you get rusty.
Now that's a darn good point. They probably just posted the Job Req for it.
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Most traditional businesses being studied failed because they had a limited view of their product or service. Kodak thought it was in the film business and couldnt pivot when digital cameras arrived. I'm not sure you can say that about Apple. They seem to be pivoting toward being a services company that also provides the premium devices to obtain these and other services. Not saying I agree or disagree with my perception of their long ranged business plan.
This has got to be the, or one of the, stupidest design from apple. Who'd buy this ridiculous machine.
Well, I had to change to MS Office when they dropped lots of features in Numbers and Pages. When they stopped Aperture I had to change to Lightroom. Thanks to Apple I am now in a position to change the platform at any time. I have been Apple customer since 1982 (Apple IIe). But my last Mac has been bought four years ago and I certainly will not buy such toys as Mac Dongle (aka MBP with touchbar).
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Apple executives this week made an unusual and surprising announcement, detailing the company's work on an entirely revamped high-end modular Mac Pro that's set to be released sometime after 2017.
No specific information on a potential release date was shared, but OSnews' Thom Holwerda has shared some tidbits heard from "people and sources who know their stuff," giving a little insight into just when we might see the revamped Mac Pro and why Apple decided to renew its focus on professional users.
Ahead of Apple's announcement, Holwerda says the Mac Pro was in limbo, and Apple wasn't sure what was going to happen to the machine.
Apparently, the negative response to the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, which many complained was not oriented towards pro users, was a major factor. Apple saw a surge of orders for older MacBook Pros instead of the new model, and that, combined with the reaction to the LG 5K display and the "constant negativity" from professional users, led Apple to "double down on professional users."
The decision to move ahead with a modular Mac Pro replacement was made "in recent months" with development starting "only a few weeks ago," suggesting it's going to be a long wait.
Given a rough estimate of the length of time it normally takes to develop a project, it could be late 2018 or even 2019 before we see the machine.Aside from the Mac Pro, Holwerda also believes Apple is working on additional MacBook Pro models sans Touch Bar, and developing other features aimed at professionals, such as pairing the iPad Pro with a Mac so that it can be used as a Cintiq-style drawing tablet.
Apple hasn't shared a lot of detail on the new Mac Pro, but the promised modular design will allow professional users to keep it up to date with new hardware on a regular basis. Apple executives have said the machine will also be able to handle virtual reality software and high-end cinema editing, pointing towards support for higher-end single GPUs, and Apple also plans to ship the machine with an Apple-branded professional display.
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If Apple waits until 2019 they'll lose the pro market almost entirely. From the "can't innovate my ass" comment, followed by years of languishing models, and now this new approach, it seems Apple has really blown it. Pretty embarrassing for a company flush with cash and access to any hardware development team they want.
I saved the picture of the one that I liked. That was THREE YEARS AGO, or more.
I'll see if my files go back that far. I clean stuff out from time to time. I thought it would have been AWESOME!
Scary that Apple feel the need to break their otherwise deadly silence on future road maps and products. That goes to show that it is too late and that they are grasping at straws trying to hold on to their 'pros' before every last one of them have built a hackingtosh or even worse switched to Windows. Latter performance wise in the pro segment has LONG surpassed anything you can do with a Mac. Apple IS no longer Pro (Performance Wise) wheres as Windows is.
Before Apple became successful it was mostly professionals who used Apple. Graphics - Audio - Video and what not. And it was Apple's Pro users who worked as evangelists and advocates and made the brand appear to be something special. If the Pro's use it ... It must be good. I can remember days of where I was the only one on the block using a Mac. And I can remember the mystique surrounding the Apple brand.
Now the Professionals are switching to windows en mass.. And I once again feel like being the only one sticking with Mac. But I am not going to be able to hold off much longer. As the Pro Software is being designed for the more powerful computers they actually begin to perform slower on Apple Computers. While on Windows or Hackingtosh they blaze and cost but a fraction.
Shelling out 7k for a Mac Pro today is about the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. You can literally build a hackingtosh for 2k that outperforms the Mac Pro. It might not look as stylish and be as small but it will work circles around the Mac.
Apple has underestimated their professional user base and thus lost them. For now. Those who could no longer use their Mac Pro Towers have invested in Hackingtosh or Windows and unlikely to reinvest the next years. But if Apple in 2019 deliver a sexy box which unlike the Mac Pro is up to snuff they might have gained back their Pro user base by 2025. Those buying a computer today to do heavy lifting and know their stuff do not invest in a 7k jewel box which isn't up to the task just because it carries the name Mac. Pro used to mean Professional but Apple has coined a new meaning of that abbreviation. So today we have Pro, meaning 'What the Amateur buy to feel Pro' and Professional, meaning the person who makes money off doing his profession.
I have always said that I would be the last one on the planet to switch to Windows or build a Hackingtosh... But I might have to rethink that idiom as Apple simple aren't providing any computer options capable of competing with Windows or Hackingtosh when it comes to price performance AND price !
Before Apple became successful it was mostly professionals who used Apple. Graphics - Audio - Video and what not. And it was Apple's Pro users who worked as evangelists and advocates and made the brand appear to be something special. If the Pro's use it ... It must be good. I can remember days of where I was the only one on the block using a Mac. And I can remember the mystique surrounding the Apple brand.
Now the Professionals are switching to windows en mass.. And I once again feel like being the only one sticking with Mac. But I am not going to be able to hold off much longer. As the Pro Software is being designed for the more powerful computers they actually begin to perform slower on Apple Computers. While on Windows or Hackingtosh they blaze and cost but a fraction.
Shelling out 7k for a Mac Pro today is about the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. You can literally build a hackingtosh for 2k that outperforms the Mac Pro. It might not look as stylish and be as small but it will work circles around the Mac.
Apple has underestimated their professional user base and thus lost them. For now. Those who could no longer use their Mac Pro Towers have invested in Hackingtosh or Windows and unlikely to reinvest the next years. But if Apple in 2019 deliver a sexy box which unlike the Mac Pro is up to snuff they might have gained back their Pro user base by 2025. Those buying a computer today to do heavy lifting and know their stuff do not invest in a 7k jewel box which isn't up to the task just because it carries the name Mac. Pro used to mean Professional but Apple has coined a new meaning of that abbreviation. So today we have Pro, meaning 'What the Amateur buy to feel Pro' and Professional, meaning the person who makes money off doing his profession.
I have always said that I would be the last one on the planet to switch to Windows or build a Hackingtosh... But I might have to rethink that idiom as Apple simple aren't providing any computer options capable of competing with Windows or Hackingtosh when it comes to price performance AND price !
And is it 'Constant negativity', or people telling Apple the truth?
I mean, there are people that consider complaints about our current president 'fake news', and 'sour grapes'... Just saying...
I'm sure some people haven't been kind, but when you build up the release of a product, and deliver a 'trash can', and a closed trash can at that, the 'negativity' is what a focus group should have been telling you WAY LONG BEFORE you birthed that thing. I mean, damn, the Mac Mini would have ROCKED as a closed trash can, because it's now a closed little box! The added ventilation would have been a great idea! But a 'Pro Tool' for 'Rocking the video world'? And providing no upgrade path, and making it closed wasn't a good thing that people were going to congratulate you for.
If the New Mac Pro had kept some of the 'old Mac Pro' idea, it wouldn't have gone over like a sad joke. I mean it's like a Audi A6 that they welded the doors shut on for the next model year! (Bad analogy, I'm working on it)
But anyway...
I mean, there are people that consider complaints about our current president 'fake news', and 'sour grapes'... Just saying...
I'm sure some people haven't been kind, but when you build up the release of a product, and deliver a 'trash can', and a closed trash can at that, the 'negativity' is what a focus group should have been telling you WAY LONG BEFORE you birthed that thing. I mean, damn, the Mac Mini would have ROCKED as a closed trash can, because it's now a closed little box! The added ventilation would have been a great idea! But a 'Pro Tool' for 'Rocking the video world'? And providing no upgrade path, and making it closed wasn't a good thing that people were going to congratulate you for.
If the New Mac Pro had kept some of the 'old Mac Pro' idea, it wouldn't have gone over like a sad joke. I mean it's like a Audi A6 that they welded the doors shut on for the next model year! (Bad analogy, I'm working on it)
But anyway...
Ha, I am indeed - my cheese grater MP is getting pretty dated. Which is why I really appreciate that they came out with this round table discussion. Knowing that pros needs are back on the agenda means I'll be happy to wait and see what they can come up with. But jeez they really stretched out my loyalty.
Those pics make you drool.
[doublepost=1491604412][/doublepost]Pro's that the a pro Mac will buy a Mac Pro not a Hackintosh and put themselves at rick.
For me, the first signs that they were moving away from their Pro offerings came when they abandoned Shake. For those of you who don't know about it, it was an industry leading, kick-ass compositing package. It needed a re-write to help move it forward and Apple just wasn't prepared to invest in it. Fast forward to the FCP X debacle and then onto Aperture's death, and then the lack of decent Pro hardware, and you get the picture that Pros haven't been a priority for years. I'll quote Ron Brinkmann, who was one of the minds behind Shake "So if you’re really a professional you shouldn’t want to be reliant on software from a company like Apple. Because your heart will be broken. Because they’re not reliant on you."
https://digitalcomposting.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/x-vs-pro/
I think the same could be said for hardware too. At least that's how I've felt for the past 6 or 7 years, so i'm over the moon that they're showing renewed interest in the pro market. I'm cautiously optimistic but maybe that's because I've got Stockholm syndrome
https://digitalcomposting.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/x-vs-pro/
I think the same could be said for hardware too. At least that's how I've felt for the past 6 or 7 years, so i'm over the moon that they're showing renewed interest in the pro market. I'm cautiously optimistic but maybe that's because I've got Stockholm syndrome
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Why do people engage in these declarations that Apple would never do?
They've never done such things as a part of their culture and I would be surprised if they ever would. That's just cheap hackery.
You could tell the new MacBook Pros were in big trouble when you saw immediate discounting - very unusual for new Apple releases. All the Apple users I know just looked at the extreme price and that was enough to put them off, let alone the bizarre spec and gimmicky touchbar.
Building iPhones.
Seriously, I think the iPhone has been such a success that TC and crew pulled staff off their computer projects and let them languish. Instead of hiring more staff to cover both areas, TC, as a logistics/efficiency-minded CEO, saw this move as more cost effective. What he and other staff didn't get was that they've neglected the hard core, dedicated, Apple computer fan base, the ones who kept the company alive in the 90's before SJ returned.
It's funny, because as a car guy, I see many parallels between Apple and BMW. The parallel I see is that BMW has, like Apple, gotten sidetracked from their historical strength and lost their way a bit. In Apple's case, they got distracted by the iPhone and have focused the majority of their resources on it. For BMW, they've gone niche-chasing and crossover happy to the neglect of their sport sedans (it's gotten bad enough that their cars have been consistently losing comparisons in the car mags, which is a no-no for BMW). My point: never leave your roots. You can branch out into other pursuits, but never leave the product or service that established your success to begin with.
Mac Dongle, haha. Same exact thing happened to me, I also switched from iTunes to Spotify (after being a loyal user for 15+ years), iPhoto to Lightroom, I still use iWork but for anything serious or business I go to MS Office. Also I've been using Whatsapp a lot more and wouldn't miss Messages if I had to get rid of it.
The Apple ecosystem is falling apart left and right.
If they are truly listening then they need to adjust their absurd prices across all platforms, especially the watch.
The current discussion is about professional Mac products, not iDevices, and it is debatable whether the new MBP really meets the needs of professionals.
I believe the TC comments the previous poster are referring to were regarding *Macs* in the "pipeline"? If an updated MP is *2 Years* out, it seems reasonable to say that there really wasn't any MP updates in the "pipeline"?
Thx , Apple . Nice to know it's OUR fault not yours.
Us lot whinging and not you lot being utterly incompetent.
Us lot whinging and not you lot being utterly incompetent.
Aahhh, Shake.For me, the first signs that they were moving away from their Pro offerings came when they abandoned Shake. For those of you who don't know about it, it was an industry leading, kick-ass compositing package. It needed a re-write to help move it forward and Apple just wasn't prepared to invest in it. Fast forward to the FCP X debacle and then onto Aperture's death, and then the lack of decent Pro hardware, and you get the picture that Pros haven't been a priority for years. I'll quote Ron Brinkmann, who was one of the minds behind Shake "So if you’re really a professional you shouldn’t want to be reliant on software from a company like Apple. Because your heart will be broken. Because they’re not reliant on you."
https://digitalcomposting.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/x-vs-pro/
I think the same could be said for hardware too. At least that's how I've felt for the past 6 or 7 years, so i'm over the moon that they're showing renewed interest in the pro market. I'm cautiously optimistic but maybe that's because I've got Stockholm syndrome
Isn't the great replacement for it, we were promised, due any decade now?
I guess our new slogan should be "Think Negative, Constantly". It's the only thing I've seen Apple respond to over the years.
OK! I’ve been reading in partial disbelief all the news this week on the admission of a wrong direction Apple took with its MacPro design by it’s own management. I couldn’t resist piling on all this well deserved criticism. Month after month, year after year, I have been clinging on to any hope, waiting for an announcement that Apple would move in any other direction other than one of frivolity when it came to their pro machines. It seems, this year 2017, from the outside of that fancy “spaceship” they just built, that Apple management and leadership is blinded by their success of their thin and glitzy iOS devices, and wrongly transferring these simplistic, minimalistic designs to their desktop computers. Pros want, need, crave, a computer that can give them the power to do their task and not be hobbled by designs of thinness and a lack of ports and expandability. It’s a frikkin’ desktop machine and my work space doesn’t look like a page out of Vogue. At least give me a basic, proven design, and, yes, it should still look good!!! Unfortunately, based on experience though the years with Apple, I cringe at the ideas that they may have for a new pro computer; don't overthink it with 2020 visions, Apple.
I’m not impressed by Siri, I prefer the functionality of Google maps to Apple maps and in Apple’s attempts to make things simpler and cleaner, take away function making it harder to get things done and let's see a focus on more pro software applications again!
I find it hard to believe that these “rock stars” that run Apple have gotten lazy, complacent, fat, but given Apple’s monumental success of their idevices, I guess this is the natural conclusion one would come to. Get a clue Apple. You need some lean, young talents to change the direction you are going, and stop over designing at the cost of function, please.
I’m not impressed by Siri, I prefer the functionality of Google maps to Apple maps and in Apple’s attempts to make things simpler and cleaner, take away function making it harder to get things done and let's see a focus on more pro software applications again!
I find it hard to believe that these “rock stars” that run Apple have gotten lazy, complacent, fat, but given Apple’s monumental success of their idevices, I guess this is the natural conclusion one would come to. Get a clue Apple. You need some lean, young talents to change the direction you are going, and stop over designing at the cost of function, please.
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Shake was the reason why I moved to apple back then -_-
I do not work on video that much anymore (some of my employees do) and I even FORGOT shake. Wow.
Now that I read all the comments about switching, and given that my employees are switching already, I have to admit that I use my iPad a lot. So I guess that laziness is the only reason why I am still in the ecosystem.
But to be honest, I just did a bit of research and there are neat things out there. Look at this for instance:
https://www.originpc.com/workstation/desktops/chronos-pro/
Wow. Easy to configure online like Apple, compact and not looking bad at all!
It seems that this price drop on the trash can gave me the spirit to look around on solutions to update my hardware... did Apple do a foolish move? I am serious, I just woke up and I realized I do not need a Mac anymore
The dishonest always find the truth to be "Negative", which is why they don't look particularly hard for it, or avoid it altogether.