Well Apple only stated that it won't happen in 2017, so it's quite possible that even 2018 may be out of the questionBold:
The guy has no idea how long it takes yet makes a prediction, yeah right.
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'Constant Negativity' From Pro Users Led Apple to Develop Modular Mac Pro, Which May Not Ship Until 2019
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This is making me think Appl is going to update the MBP 15" in June instead of November.
AKA Mac mini with 4 cores. Hell yes.
The problem with apple isn't the engineers. It's run first and foremost by Marketing goons. And you also have to keep in mind the captain is a bean counter. Sure it's good for business but with this much money in the bank you'd think the captain wants to go for some new innovation but let's just keep growing the pot.
Cool to hear. I've suggested similar over and over on here. More ios/mac integration can possibly make the ipad essential for me rather than an entertainment device.
I think it was the groundswell of their most dedicated fanbase threatening to leave the fold. So it's not just MacRumors but many others who have complained. Basically the 2016 release seemed to have such an unprecedented level of negativity.
It's like the Hunger Games when Apple post the 2015 MBP on their refurb site. They sell out very quickly.
Just release the Cheesegrater MacPro again and call it retro.
They've clearly been smoking something from that pipeline hoping that no one will notice. It's nothing but vaporware.
But they weren't listening or they'd have had focus groups telling them the trashcan design belonged in what it was modeled on. They seem to forget that Apple is post-Steve which means you need to LISTEN to your audience and give them what they want. Apple no longer has Steve to intuitively know what is/isn't needed by customers. Now Apple is simply cast adrift amongst the other faceless PC manufacturers without a competitive advantage.
Wow! So prior to that they thought they could sit on the old TrashcanPro design without any updates for the next 5 years? That statement doesn't sound right at all.
I'll bet they hemmed & hawed over the tcMP design this last year & as CF so eloquently put it "realized they had painted themselves into a thermal corner" (or to that effect).
But I'll take it as probably true, that eventually after months of meetings and nail biting and soul searching they just said F it, let's make a kick ass computer that pros will actually lust after .... and whoever it was (TC?) who said, "ok, let's do it", I bet every single engineer in that meeting couldn't hide the big happy grin that coursed across their face (I'm guessing).
The next MacPro will unquestionably be really great and probably breathtakingly expensive, but hey! At least they'll have pro computer they'll be proud of and everyone will want (if they win the lottery).
I actually really, really like the new MacBook Pro. It was fairly flakey when it was first released but 10.12.4 seems to have solved the majority of the instability issues I've dealt with. Additionally, I have two of the 5Ks (one for the office, one at home) and I really, really like them. The Touch Bar is okay, especially since it doesn't randomly vanish since 10.12.4, and TouchID is really nice.
I use Macs professionally and have for close to 15 years at this point but as a web developer and sysadmin type, it's not like my performance needs are over the top. With all of that said, the Mac Pro's lack of updates was concerning—despite the fact that I would probably never own one myself. I'm glad to see this sudden about-face on the matter. I know it's easy for people to say, "Why should they care? Macs are only a fraction of their sales now." Queue the people saying iPads are going to supplant Macs (hint: they won't and can't—especially for developers).
You want the best content and the development taking place on Macs, period. And a vast majority of companies out there would love to have a small fraction of Apple's pie. It might be a small fraction, but it's still measured in billions. It's not like it's some kind of loss leader or anything.
Point being, as someone who uses these devices professionally, I'm breathing a little easier (which was, of course, the intended purpose).
Yes, yes, yes.
I use Macs professionally and have for close to 15 years at this point but as a web developer and sysadmin type, it's not like my performance needs are over the top. With all of that said, the Mac Pro's lack of updates was concerning—despite the fact that I would probably never own one myself. I'm glad to see this sudden about-face on the matter. I know it's easy for people to say, "Why should they care? Macs are only a fraction of their sales now." Queue the people saying iPads are going to supplant Macs (hint: they won't and can't—especially for developers).
You want the best content and the development taking place on Macs, period. And a vast majority of companies out there would love to have a small fraction of Apple's pie. It might be a small fraction, but it's still measured in billions. It's not like it's some kind of loss leader or anything.
Point being, as someone who uses these devices professionally, I'm breathing a little easier (which was, of course, the intended purpose).
Yes, yes, yes.
The old architecture wasn't legal to be sold in the EU anymore. Something about the fans being dangerous and requiring a lot of rework.
You're welcome guys!
I am the most positive member here but i've had enough of Apple resting on their laurels of the iphone.
I am the most positive member here but i've had enough of Apple resting on their laurels of the iphone.
2019? Pro users have been complaining about the MP's limited upgradability almost since it was released. Their reaction seems a bit slow. Based on Apple's non-comments on the Mac Mini we also won't see a refresh of that for a bit longer at least. That pipeline TC spoke off seems like it's more like a strand of fiber optic cable.
Will look forward to this new MP though. Also hoping the next Mac Mini is a Mac Mini Pro for us hobbyist.
Will look forward to this new MP though. Also hoping the next Mac Mini is a Mac Mini Pro for us hobbyist.
This is easily the best news I've heard on this site in 18 months (basically since the SE announcement). Maybe in 5 years.
I'd been making contingency plans and figuring out how to switch platforms if things continued in their current direction regarding laptops. An Apple that actually listens to their users is an Apple I'll keep buying from.
I'd been making contingency plans and figuring out how to switch platforms if things continued in their current direction regarding laptops. An Apple that actually listens to their users is an Apple I'll keep buying from.
If the guy has no idea about how long it takes to built these new Mac Pro's he should refrain from making a prediction.
I don't think Apple will take that long (2019), but we'll see.
I guess that whilst it's great if they listened and showed an unusual amount of humility about going in the wrong direction on certain products, in the end it's the the bottom line that is the bottom line. A surge in orders of the older MBP coming on top of lots of desktop users complaining and refusing to buy the nMP is really the most powerful argument that a) people still do actually want powerful, pro macs (or they wouldn't care enough to bother complaining or buying older models when new ones are released), and b) the latest versions didn't satisfy a lot of customers' ideas of what those should be to a sufficient degree.
So the market, albeit not their largest category, is there - Apple just need to address satisfying it.
Frankly I am still in the 'smiling from ear-to-ear' phase of the news there will even be another Mac Pro. I am going to stay upbeat and positive about what they can do until and unless I have reason to think otherwise, because it does sound as though they 'get' the issues people had with the current machines and will look to correct them, in some way. It probably won't be in 100% the way any one of us would ideally want, but I still have faith that Apple have it in them to get close enough. For now!
So come on Apple, knock it out the park, I'm rooting for you, I really don't want to have to end up leaving the mac as my preferred computer platform, and I'm feeling the best I've felt about that not being an issue that I have for some time.
So the market, albeit not their largest category, is there - Apple just need to address satisfying it.
Frankly I am still in the 'smiling from ear-to-ear' phase of the news there will even be another Mac Pro. I am going to stay upbeat and positive about what they can do until and unless I have reason to think otherwise, because it does sound as though they 'get' the issues people had with the current machines and will look to correct them, in some way. It probably won't be in 100% the way any one of us would ideally want, but I still have faith that Apple have it in them to get close enough. For now!
So come on Apple, knock it out the park, I'm rooting for you, I really don't want to have to end up leaving the mac as my preferred computer platform, and I'm feeling the best I've felt about that not being an issue that I have for some time.
They need time to design its thinness.
Bring back the gorgeous G5 tower and load it with modern specs. You will sell out on day 1.
Apple executives this week made an unusual and surprising announcement, detailing the company's work on an entirely revamped high-end modular Mac Pro that's set to be released sometime after 2017.
No specific information on a potential release date was shared, but OSnews' Thom Holwerda has shared some tidbits heard from "people and sources who know their stuff," giving a little insight into just when we might see the revamped Mac Pro and why Apple decided to renew its focus on professional users.
Ahead of Apple's announcement, Holwerda says the Mac Pro was in limbo, and Apple wasn't sure what was going to happen to the machine.
Apparently, the negative response to the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, which many complained was not oriented towards pro users, was a major factor. Apple saw a surge of orders for older MacBook Pros instead of the new model, and that, combined with the reaction to the LG 5K display and the "constant negativity" from professional users, led Apple to "double down on professional users."
The decision to move ahead with a modular Mac Pro replacement was made "in recent months" with development starting "only a few weeks ago," suggesting it's going to be a long wait.
Given a rough estimate of the length of time it normally takes to develop a project, it could be late 2018 or even 2019 before we see the machine.Aside from the Mac Pro, Holwerda also believes Apple is working on additional MacBook Pro models sans Touch Bar, and developing other features aimed at professionals, such as pairing the iPad Pro with a Mac so that it can be used as a Cintiq-style drawing tablet.
Apple hasn't shared a lot of detail on the new Mac Pro, but the promised modular design will allow professional users to keep it up to date with new hardware on a regular basis. Apple executives have said the machine will also be able to handle virtual reality software and high-end cinema editing, pointing towards support for higher-end single GPUs, and Apple also plans to ship the machine with an Apple-branded professional display.
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Two years to design this is insane. I've seen Kickstarter projects to design very elaborate and intricate PC cases completed in less time, and usually with just a dude or two working after-hours and weekends.
You'd thing a dozen engineers working full-time, with basically essentially limitless resources could bang out an design in a few weeks followed by a few rounds of prototyping and testing over a few months, meanwhile other engineers could retool manufacturing for the new design in a month or two after that. Even with Apple's polish and rigerous testing, this shouldn't take more than 10 months tops.
You'd thing a dozen engineers working full-time, with basically essentially limitless resources could bang out an design in a few weeks followed by a few rounds of prototyping and testing over a few months, meanwhile other engineers could retool manufacturing for the new design in a month or two after that. Even with Apple's polish and rigerous testing, this shouldn't take more than 10 months tops.
For Apple to pull themselves out of their Shawshank Redemption-esque sewer-pipe situation, they're going to have to work harder, faster, and listen a lot more carefully to their user base in future. And actually DO SOMETHING about their current model for the people who can't wait two years.
If they can get it right, the next generation of Mac Pros may become my first Apple desktop.
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I would seriously love to know what they've been doing after launching the current Mac Pro back in 2013.
That never stops us from making the same predictions
