iPad Constant reloading of tabs in Safari makes iPad Air useless!

[Statusnone88]

Honestly it's getting a little ridiculous. I'm only opening 3-4 tabs, Clash of Clans, and a few other apps and I get tab refresh like crazy. And even worse is when my iPad Air crashes. I pretty much use this thing for web browsing, games, and email so if it can't even complete basic tasks, then I don't know what to say.

If all I have open is Safari then I don't have an issue.

 

[richardbb85]

Honestly it's getting a little ridiculous. I'm only opening 3-4 tabs, Clash of Clans, and a few other apps and I get tab refresh like crazy. And even worse is when my iPad Air crashes. I pretty much use this thing for web browsing, games, and email so if it can't even complete basic tasks, then I don't know what to say.

If all I have open is Safari then I don't have an issue.

apple fanboi will tell you to wait, wait, and wait.

 

[ZBoater]

Honestly it's getting a little ridiculous. I'm only opening 3-4 tabs, Clash of Clans, and a few other apps and I get tab refresh like crazy...

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

 

[richardbb85]

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

i have no app open, safari crash all day

 

[Capt T]

7apps open and 8 tabs in Safari, on my air, no crashing or reloading.

I will say safari has kicked back to the main screen twice since I got it on nov 1st. Closed out of some other apps and went fine after that. Started from scratch this time around, did not restore from my old iPad.

128gb model...not sure that matters.

 

[Kolmogorov]

Use Atomic browser. Some other browsers may also do the trick.

 

[ciaran00]

Low RAM should not result in a crash in a properly coded application. Error handling is programming 101.

There 2 (TWO) problems several people on this forum have described:

1. Constant reloading of tabs WITHOUT the browser crashing
2. The browser crashing on a particularly troubled tab

#1 being in the subject of the thread, which you appear to have missed. The tab is reloading because software decided to re-prioritize some limited hardware resource towards a different tab, or some other OS function. The argument that the software can be optimized is great, but I really haven't seen this problem fixed since my iPad 1 - which was NOTORIOUS for tabs reloading. I'm sure there's a software solution somewhere, in the head of some Apple engineer who's got too many other things to do - but it doesn't seem to be a problem Apple seems to be interested in solving, in Webkit or whatever software module the problem is in.

#2 could be a software issue. The browser just isn't loading the page right and crashing. But what if it's a perpetually scrolling page, like on Tumblr? That could be a software problem too - my Etsy app has infinite scrolling and never crashes. Browse to a pictures-only infinite-scrolling Tumblr site and start scrolling down and down... and blammo the browser WILL crash - it's just a matter of when.

People think more memory will fix the problem. They are RIGHT. It would certainly alleviate the issue (like it did from iPad 1 to iPad 2). A better fix would be the software, but Apple really hasn't bothered to try fixing it since iOS 4.2 to be honest.

I can give you plenty of examples of well coded sites that constantly refresh, if you'd like.

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

How about hundreds? My ****** Windows 8 laptop never reloads a single tab in Chrome. Not ever. This is the gold standard and that's what the iPad should do.

 

[pocketpenguin]

Use Atomic browser. Some other browsers may also do the trick.

I've only had crashing consistently with safari. Chrome seems more stable, but still reloads tabs constantly. Mercury also is more stable, but warns of low memory with as few as one tab open. If you see century link ads on this site (you might not due to targeted advertising) they cause a low memory warning with a single tab open.

 

[lcmazza]

LOL! Ok. I guess that one flew right by you. Let me spell it out.

Low RAM should not result in a crash in a properly coded application. Error handling is programming 101. Be it 1 or 2 or 10GB of RAM, it will always eventually run out, and at that point the app is supposed to handle the condition a lot more gracefully. Unless of course there's a bug in the software.

And since you are such an expert on 64 bit memory management, can you care to explain how memory compression works in this case? I'd be fascinated to hear your explanation.

"1GB ought to be enough for anyone"


Now you can say that you never said that...

 

[lcmazza]

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

Two tabs with lots of video and pictures and Chrome already has to reload the other tab and crashes more often.

Read this:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blo...why-64-bit-programs-require-more-stack-memory

Conclusions

One cannot foresee how much stack memory a 64-bit version of a program will consume in comparison to a 32-bit one. It might be both less (unlikely) and much more.

For a 64-bit program, you should increase the amount of reserved stack 2-3 times. 3 times is better - just to feel at ease. To do this, see the parameter Stack Reserve Size (the /STACK:reserve switch) in project settings. By default the stack's size is 1 Mbyte.

You should not worry if your 64-bit program consumes more stack memory. There is much more physical memory in 64-bit systems. The stack with the size 2 Mbytes on a 64-bit system with 8 Gbytes of memory takes fewer percent of memory than 1 Mbyte of stack in a 32-bit system with 2 Gbytes.

 

[iPhysicist]

There are numerous other comments you could have made and you decided to make that one?

There are numerous other on topic posts but you decided to reply on this one?

Ah - got myself with that

 

[ukiss]

Seriously, my iPad Air reloads even I'm just switching between two tabs.

 

[ZBoater]

"1GB ought to be enough for anyone"


Now you can say that you never said that...

I never did. What's your point?

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...How about hundreds? My ****** Windows 8 laptop never reloads a single tab in Chrome. Not ever. This is the gold standard and that's what the iPad should do.

You should get a MacBook. Comparing a tablet to a laptop is a bit... <insert favorite adjective here>.

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... but it doesn't seem to be a problem Apple seems to be interested in solving, in Webkit or whatever software module the problem is in.

...but Apple really hasn't bothered to try fixing it since iOS 4.2 to be honest...

Honest? Ok. I guess Apple is to busy laughing all the way to the bank and carting all those billions of dollars in profit around to show any interest in fixing its software, right?

Geez. Ok. Whatever. You win. Apple is such a terrible company...

 

[TraceyS/FL]

I have 8 tabs open and all are reloading when I switch...

Trying to open the gamespot Disney infinity review crashes safari and throws me out to the home screen..... As does a variety of pages in the last 2 months. Rarely used to happen before, and it does seem to only be highly animated/graphic pages.

I have safari and FB open only most of them time....


Oh but wait, I'm on an iPad 1, running ios5 with a mere 256mb of RAM i think.

All in all, my feeling for months has been poorly written ads/sites causing issues in safari. Life was certainly better when they hadn't figured out how to have all that crap in just HTML....

So basically the air when I get it will act the same and I am already used to it... Go me! (in all honesty, I'm very curious to get it and compare it since I've been dealing with true "low memory" for awhile now)

 

[masterpace]

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

ZBoater, you've got a valid point here. Knowing that, I always close unused apps sitting in the background before opening a new one. That way, I have less chances of having an unexpected app closed by ios.

That said, the point raised by the previous poster is valid too. On my Surface 2 for instance, I never experienced any reloading of tab. The fact it has 2GB of RAM might help. Also, Windows is using virtual memory whenever RAM usage is becoming critical (although doing so has impact on performance too). Anyhow, we cannot compare an ipad Air with a Surface 2 since both have different system architectures.

 

[Statusnone88]

I'm curious. How many apps do you think it would be OK to have open at the same time as Safari and not have it reload a tab? 3? 5? I mean, this is a tablet we are talking about, right?

On my 1st gen Mini I would have a ton of crap open. I mean my tablet replaces my laptop so if I can't at least have a game, browser, email, and another app to switch between then it makes my tablet kind of useless.

 

[ZBoater]

On my 1st gen Mini I would have a ton of crap open. I mean my tablet replaces my laptop so if I can't at least have a game, browser, email, and another app to switch between then it makes my tablet kind of useless.

That device had 512MB of RAM. That leads me to believe the problem is with iOS 7, not with the 1GB of RAM.

 

[macfacts]

Seems to me some people are apologizing for what Apple is doing (bad software) because they are hoping for a patch in the future.

The fact is, it doesn't matter if it is a software problem or lack of hardware (1gb of ram), end result is a poor experience with iPad. Seems like people are constantly having to micro manage how many apps and tabs they have open. What happened to 'it just works'.

Ps. This is my first iOS device and the 'lag' I hear people complain about on android is present on iOS apps too. The only thing lag free on iPad is when swiping home screens and that is only because it is app icons in a grid formation that has been blown up from the iPhone interface.

 

[TommyA6]

Seems to me some people are apologizing for what Apple is doing (bad software) because they are hoping for a patch in the future.

The fact is, it doesn't matter if it is a software problem or lack of hardware (1gb of ram), end result is a poor experience with iPad. Seems like people are constantly having to micro manage how many apps and tabs they have open. What happened to 'it just works'.

Ps. This is my first iOS device and the 'lag' I hear people complain about on android is present on iOS apps too. The only thing lag free on iPad is when swiping home screens and that is only because it is app icons in a grid formation that has been blown up from the iPhone interface.

The 'lag' wasn't there on iOS 6.
iOS 7 isn't on par with 6 in terms of smoothness. (yet)

 

[tmarks11]

But on Amazon pages for example where the external ad links constantly change the pages reload every time.

That is because Apple doesn't want you shopping at Amazon, and are punishing you in a subliminal manner until you stop...

What happens when you go to Samsung's website?

>I know I am paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

 

[Vladislav]

That is because Apple doesn't want you shopping at Amazon, and are punishing you in a subliminal manner until you stop...

What happens when you go to Samsung's website?

what? samsung got its own website? Browsing my air and it tells me that this website doesnt exist.

 

[Count Blah]

The 'lag' wasn't there on iOS 6.
iOS 7 isn't on par with 6 in terms of smoothness. (yet)

Agreed. Which was the ONE thing the apologists harped on sooooooo much - iOS is smoother than Android.

I don't hear that one near as much as I used to.

 

[ActionableMango]

Useless? Really?

So the only possible use of a tablet is web browsing without refreshes?

Look, I have the iPad Mini and I gotta tell you, Safari tab reloading is terrible on it. Even with 2-3 tabs open it did refreshes.

But I still love the thing; it's hardly "useless".

 

[alex2792]

I never have this problem on my surface 2 or Dell Venue 8 Pro. Oh, and they also come with a real Web browser with flash support.

 

[ZBoater]

I never have this problem on my surface 2 or Dell Venue 8 Pro. Oh, and they also come with a real Web browser with flash support.

Its comparing Apples and Oranges. The Dell Venue is running full Windows 8.1, right? When we have an iPad running OS X then we can talk.

I think it is great people have such great expectations from the iPad. The iPad is certainly a great device, but you can't compare it against a laptop running Windows. Two different animals. I really, really like how that Dell Venue looks though. I think I may give it a shot.