Consumer Reports Finds New iPad Gets Warm, Can't Charge Under Heavy Loads

[thetoad30]

Why is it always a "non-issue" with Apple fanboys? Nothing is ever perfect, and problems are not "non-issues". If you're that much of a cult over a namebrand... society is worse than I expected.

To put things into perspective here... 120 degrees is how hot the water should be coming off of your tap if you have children in the house to prevent scalding.

116 degrees is 4 degrees away from that.

Some have commented that laptops get hotter than that.

So what? Laptops can be used sitting on a desk or a table. Plus the aren't really marketed towards children.

iPads have been marketed as the next best thing for children and learning, as well as for business use/adult use. I see this being a big problem for schools using these things as learning tools and burning kids hands. It IS an issue that needs to be sorted out. Just because you don't care/it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's a "non-issue". Burying your head in the sand or sweeping the problem under the rug doesn't make it go away.

Logic is your friend. Don't be so quick to defend the cult all the time. Use your brain, think for yourself, and realize that this thing has new limitations. Then realize what you spent for it, and that it shouldn't have those limitations for what it is being marketed for.

 

[TheBronx]

Why is it always a "non-issue" with Apple fanboys? Nothing is ever perfect, and problems are not "non-issues". If you're that much of a cult over a namebrand... society is worse than I expected.

To put things into perspective here... 120 degrees is how hot the water should be coming off of your tap if you have children in the house to prevent scalding.

116 degrees is 4 degrees away from that.

Some have commented that laptops get hotter than that.

So what? Laptops can be used sitting on a desk or a table. Plus the aren't really marketed towards children.

iPads have been marketed as the next best thing for children and learning, as well as for business use/adult use. I see this being a big problem for schools using these things as learning tools and burning kids hands. It IS an issue that needs to be sorted out. Just because you don't care/it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's a "non-issue". Burying your head in the sand or sweeping the problem under the rug doesn't make it go away.

Logic is your friend. Don't be so quick to defend the cult all the time. Use your brain, think for yourself, and realize that this thing has new limitations. Then realize what you spent for it, and that it shouldn't have those limitations for what it is being marketed for.

You're correct, logic is our friend, yet you're comparing the iPads heat to scalding hot water. Logical? No.

It's not a big issue, because, and if you held an iPad you'd know this, it's not "scalding" hot. You won't pick up the iPad and drop it immediately as the receptors in your brain fire off telling you to not touch it hehe .

The heat thing is an overblown, hilarious issue. The charging thing is not.

 

[DeathChill]

So the iPad 3 can get roughly 5 degrees (celcius) hotter than the iPad 2, correct? I don't know, that doesn't sound that much hotter to me. However, it all depends on how it feels. Having played Infinity Blade II for an hour or so on 100% brightness, I can say that it felt warm on one side, but nowhere near uncomfortably so.

Also, do all iOS devices ship with their brightness at 100%? I don't recall my other devices coming at 100% by default but my iPad 3 (yes, I'm calling it that )did.

 

[mrbrown]

You're correct, logic is our friend, yet you're comparing the iPads heat to scalding hot water. Logical? No.

I'm even more confused because he compares it to setting the water heater to 120 degrees to prevent scalding children... so, by applying logic, we see that 116 degrees is less than 120 degrees and will obviously not burn a kid...

 

[TheBronx]

I'm even more confused because he compares it to setting the water heater to 120 degrees to prevent scalding children... so, by applying logic, we see that 116 degrees is less than 120 degrees and will obviously not burn a kid...

Yes, what he's saying is not very...logical. hehe

 

[Thrilledge]

It does get really warm. I mean I have the Targus Slim Case. And just surfing the net last night, I was feeling it through the case. It's an issue, that I think they will eventually own up top

 

[kdarling]

Antenna gate started the same way and you would see an overwhelming number of negative posts in forums like these, which would lead anyone to believe that was a huge problem. it wasn't. In fact it affected fewer than 1% of iPhones. I'm pretty confident that this issue will prove to be much the same.

That's probably not a good example.

Apple didn't say it affected less than 1% of iPhones. They said the antenna did drop more calls than the 3GS, but dropped less than one more call per 100 calls. What they cleverly left out was that tiny looking change could easily have increased the number of dropped by 50% or more.

--

As usual, Apple suckered everyone in their Antennagate press conference. It's astonishing how much handwaving they did, and how many people bought it, hook, line and sinker. Here's what Steve Jobs said:

"Pretty interesting... one more data point. AT&T has given us the early call drop information just a few days ago. They log call drops, it helps them improve their network. So we can't give out the absolute call drop data... AT&T can't release those numbers to their competitors, but we're going to give you the delta." - Steve Jobs

In fact, AT&T had given out dropped call data just a couple of months prior:

"Statistically valid drive test shows the AT&T network continues to deliver the nation's fastest 3G network and near best-in-class call retainability nationwide. AT&T's network dropped only 1.44 percent of calls nationwide..."

Then Jobs did what he was best at: telling the truth, but not the whole truth.

"Even though we think the iPhone 4 is superior to the 3GS antenna... it drops more calls per 100 than the 3GS. We're being transparent. So how many more does it drop than the 3GS?

This is hard data... the iPhone 4 drops less than one additional call per 100 than the 3GS. Less than one." - Steve Jobs"

Wait. So the previous number of dropped calls for the 3GS could've been AT&T's regular 1.44 per 100... or less, or more. If it was 1.44, then a "less than one additional" could've knocked it up to 2.43 calls per 100... a tremendous increase.

The sheer fact that Apple hid what the previous amount was, tells us that they didn't want anyone to know it... because then it would be easy to calculate how bad the antenna problem really was.

Don't even get me started on the other handwaving stats he pulled out at that conference. It was a masterpiece of misdirection.

Apple is not known for admitting problems. Whenever possible, they blame the user instead and/or give out misleading data. Whether this is a real problem or not, don't look to Apple to be the source for information.

 

[ncaissie]

I hope someone was just BSing but my wife read they are getting hot and slipping into safe mode. I hope I don’t regret ordering one for her birthday. It shipped yesterday and was supposed to ship Apr 3rd.

 

[lamar0607]

For me, the iPad doesn't even charge under a "light" load. If I leave the screen brightness at about 80% and turn on the iPad The Weather Channel app, it actually loses its charge. That's nowhere near as heavy of a load as Infinity Blade II. Anyone else have this issue?

Wifi is on, not a LTE iPad.

 

[bawbac]

That's probably not a good example.

Apple didn't say it affected less than 1% of iPhones. They said the antenna did drop more calls than the 3GS, but dropped less than one more call per 100 calls. What they cleverly left out was that tiny looking change could easily have increased the number of dropped by 50% or more.

--

As usual, Apple suckered everyone in their Antennagate press conference. It's astonishing how much handwaving they did, and how many people bought it, hook, line and sinker. Here's what Steve Jobs said:



In fact, AT&T had given out dropped call data just a couple of months prior:

"Statistically valid drive test shows the AT&T network continues to deliver the nation's fastest 3G network and near best-in-class call retainability nationwide. AT&T's network dropped only 1.44 percent of calls nationwide..."

Then Jobs did what he was best at: telling the truth, but not the whole truth.



Wait. So the previous number of dropped calls for the 3GS could've been AT&T's regular 1.44 per 100... or less, or more. If it was 1.44, then a "less than one additional" could've knocked it up to 2.43 calls per 100... a tremendous increase.

The sheer fact that Apple hid what the previous amount was, tells us that they didn't want anyone to know it... because then it would be easy to calculate how bad the antenna problem really was.

Don't even get me started on the other handwaving stats he pulled out at that conference. It was a masterpiece of misdirection.

Apple is not known for admitting problems. Whenever possible, they blame the user instead and/or give out misleading data. Whether this is a real problem or not, don't look to Apple to be the source for information.

And why did they make an app to download on my iPhone4 to get a FREE case/cover for my iPhone.

Sounds like they were trying to expedite a work around fix to make the issue go away.

 

[TheBronx]

That's probably not a good example.

Apple didn't say it affected less than 1% of iPhones. They said the antenna did drop more calls than the 3GS, but dropped less than one more call per 100 calls. What they cleverly left out was that tiny looking change could easily have increased the number of dropped by 50% or more.

--

As usual, Apple suckered everyone in their Antennagate press conference. It's astonishing how much handwaving they did, and how many people bought it, hook, line and sinker. Here's what Steve Jobs said:



In fact, AT&T had given out dropped call data just a couple of months prior:

"Statistically valid drive test shows the AT&T network continues to deliver the nation's fastest 3G network and near best-in-class call retainability nationwide. AT&T's network dropped only 1.44 percent of calls nationwide..."

Then Jobs did what he was best at: telling the truth, but not the whole truth.



Wait. So the previous number of dropped calls for the 3GS could've been AT&T's regular 1.44 per 100... or less, or more. If it was 1.44, then a "less than one additional" could've knocked it up to 2.43 calls per 100... a tremendous increase.

The sheer fact that Apple hid what the previous amount was, tells us that they didn't want anyone to know it... because then it would be easy to calculate how bad the antenna problem really was.

Don't even get me started on the other handwaving stats he pulled out at that conference. It was a masterpiece of misdirection.

Apple is not known for admitting problems. Whenever possible, they blame the user instead and/or give out misleading data. Whether this is a real problem or not, don't look to Apple to be the source for information.

Oh come on, a tremendous increase? That's hyperbole if I've ever seen it hehe . Yes, what you're saying is right. If the 3GS dropped one call per hundred, and the 4 dropped 1.99 call per hundred, it's almost 100% more, yah, the horror hehe. But let's not get so dramatic to act as if it's some "tremendous" issue and people with the 4 are suffering to make calls.

It's a unnoticeable "increase" even though it's "tremendous" from a strictly percentage view. Anyone who says they noticed the .99 more calls they dropped out of 100 and were adversely affected about it, are being "tremendously dramatic".

 

[deadkennedy]

Hopefully this will lead to 20W charger replacements from Apple.

And a move to MagSafe on the next iPad.

The only problem, for the price of a magsafe charger you can probably get a used Kindle Fire

 

[GorgonPhone]

The newer macbook pro's don't charge up while under heavy load.

But keeping it charged while under heavy load, like the ipad 3, prevents the battery's charge from dropping much.

It's a non-issue.

exACtly.. i have the ipad3 and it gets as warm as my mac book pro i5 and it charges fine but slower under heavy load .. the batter lasts very long even with my screen on bright..

AS always people are trying to find something to diss about apple products since they are sooo great...

The new ipad 3 is the best purchase i have made since buying my 13 inch MBP i5... I am a designer and my ipad will now serve as my Digital portfolio for my 10 years of work that i need to keep organized and easily viewable and that retina screen is perfect fro the task..

 

[Misaki]

Throwing in my two cents, but I think it's been said already.

If I plug in the iPad via the USB to my desktop PC (not a mac) while it's running, the iPad switches immediately to "not charging", however if I close the smart cover and leave it, I'll come back to 100% charged. So clearly it does charge while plugged in.

It only says it's charging when charged with the provided USB charger, while in use. I haven't been able to make it switch back to "not charging" during use. But I haven't put anything on it that really taxes the GPU as far as I know.

As for warmth. It gets warmer trying to pull data with the WiFi, that's true. It however the only thing I make it "Get warm" this way is by repeatedly using speedtest.net over and over.

 

[Mac365]

Quick! Find something wrong with it! We must nitpick some minor detail to show that it isn't perfect!

Oh..what's that? People are still going to buy them in mass quantities anyway? Oh ok.

Nothing is ever perfect and it's their job to find any flaws in products no matter how insignificant to end use. Why get so defensive? They're not calling people who buy the iPad 3 foolish or dumb for doing so.

 

[TheBronx]

Nothing is ever perfect and it's their job to find any flaws in products no matter how insignificant to end use. Why get so defensive? They're not calling people who buy the iPad 3 foolish or dumb for doing so.

Where are their reports about insignificant (ROTFLMAO) flaws in Android phones? CR is a joke. They only go after Apple hehe.

 

[rimcrazy]

Much Ado about nothing

My iPad3 works just fine and runs cool as a cucumber. No, I don't play Infinity Blade for hours on end but for everything else it works just fine. I have the Oct 2011 version MBP and it charges fine through the USB port with the lid open on my laptop so for the newer Apple hardware there are no issues what so ever. Great device, could not be happier.

 

[pmz]

*sigh*
So this is the new antennagate. As many people here have already stated, it gets warm but not anywhere close to unbearably hot. All I can do is confirm this through personal experience.

EDIT: For the guy below me, my MacBook Pro doesn't charge up under a heavy load either, but it maintains the current battery level. This is done to help preserve the battery and avoid additional heat output. As iPads become more on par with traditional computers, expect them to have to deal with the same limitations on things like battery technology.

There was no antennagate, except in the nonexistent blogospshere, same with fantasy battery "problems" of the 4S, same with new iPad "heat"

They are microscopic, barely noticeable differences from their predecessors, that whining morons make a big deal out of. Anyone can post a picture and write a story about how dramatic it is. What actually matters, is what actually matters, and my iPad and every other one is just fine.

Move on people.

How's that new iPhone coming along? Retina MBP?

 

[thetoad30]

You're correct, logic is our friend, yet you're comparing the iPads heat to scalding hot water. Logical? No.

It's not a big issue, because, and if you held an iPad you'd know this, it's not "scalding" hot. You won't pick up the iPad and drop it immediately as the receptors in your brain fire off telling you to not touch it hehe .

The heat thing is an overblown, hilarious issue. The charging thing is not.

The temperature of the water vs the temperature of the iPad are direct comparables.

A pan at 200 degrees burns you just as bad as water at 200 degrees. THEY'RE THE SAME TEMP. Please, if you don't understand physics, don't try to argue it.

I'm even more confused because he compares it to setting the water heater to 120 degrees to prevent scalding children... so, by applying logic, we see that 116 degrees is less than 120 degrees and will obviously not burn a kid...

Again, logic. 120 degrees is the HOTTEST you should have it to prevent severe scalding. That doesn't negate the fact that you can still get burned...

Yes, what he's saying is not very...logical. hehe

Try to add something to the conversation, please, instead of just echoing the followers.

 

[TheBronx]

The temperature of the water vs the temperature of the iPad are direct comparables.

A pan at 200 degrees burns you just as bad as water at 200 degrees. THEY'RE THE SAME TEMP. Please, if you don't understand physics, don't try to argue it.

were you burned by your iPad? Or are afraid of being burned? You might need to use oven mitts when you use it then hehe

Again, logic. 120 degrees is the HOTTEST you should have it to prevent severe scalding. That doesn't negate the fact that you can still get burned...

See above.

Try to add something to the conversation, please, instead of just echoing the followers.

I did, I pointed out the flaw you have in your argument that the heat generated by the iPad is directly comparable to flowing hot water.

 

[kdarling]

It's a unnoticeable "increase" even though it's "tremendous" from a strictly percentage view. Anyone who says they noticed the .99 more calls they dropped out of 100 and were adversely affected about it, are being "tremendously dramatic".

Ah, but that was just an average increase, which is also important.

Some users didn't increase drops, or even got better (my son had less dropped calls when he upgraded to the new iPhone with the outside antenna ring).

Therefore, those who _did_ have an increase, would have had more than just one extra dropped call per 100 to make up the difference.

So be careful what you argue The less bad you try to make it for some, the worse it becomes for others.
I.e. If someone wants to claim that most people had no problem or an improvement, then the other users had to have a larger increase in dropped calls to cause such a relatively large statistical jump on average of all.

The point still is: If there's a problem, Apple's not likely to admit it. Jobs made sure that kind of forthright behavior was not in their DNA. Unless Cook goes in a different direction, that is.

 

[thetoad30]

Oh come on, a tremendous increase? That's hyperbole if I've ever seen it hehe . Yes, what you're saying is right. If the 3GS dropped one call per hundred, and the 4 dropped 1.99 call per hundred, it's almost 100% more, yah, the horror hehe. But let's not get so dramatic to act as if it's some "tremendous" issue and people with the 4 are suffering to make calls.

It's a unnoticeable "increase" even though it's "tremendous" from a strictly percentage view. Anyone who says they noticed the .99 more calls they dropped out of 100 and were adversely affected about it, are being "tremendously dramatic".

You very obviously don't understand the mathematics or physics behind the subjects you're arguing. A doubling of dropped calls is a severe degrade in performance. That is fact. Now, dropping two calls instead of one, might not be that bad of an issue if you don't use your phone that much. If you run a business off the phone - it's a huge issue. I make my point again - just because it does not affect you, does not mean it's a "non-issue". You are not the only one using this product and if there is a valid problem with it then it needs to be owned.

Take this for example: A car blows up every time it gets rear-ended. According to most people on these forums, that's a "non-issue" because how likely are they to get into a car accident? Especially if they're a college student who rarely drives the car? But what about that person who uses it as a salesman and is driving all over the country?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but when you inject bias and opinion and make it fact, you're not adding to the conversation. It's the same thing when people say a problem is a "non-issue". It IS an issue, or it wouldn't be occurring. Period. How BIG of an issue, is now a matter of opinion.

Separate your facts from your opinions and you will be able to better analyze the situation and have better arguments.

 

[TheBronx]

Ah, but that was just an average increase, which is also important.

Some users didn't increase drops, or even got better (my son had less dropped calls when he upgraded to the new iPhone with the outside antenna ring).

Therefore, those who _did_ have an increase, would have had more than just one extra dropped call per 100 to make up the difference.

So be careful what you argue The less bad you try to make it for some, the worse it becomes for others.

I.e. If someone wants to claim that most people had no problem or an improvement, then the other users had to have a larger increase in dropped calls to cause such a relatively large statistical jump on average of all.

The point still is: If there's a problem, Apple's not likely to admit it. Jobs made sure that kind of forthright behavior was not in their DNA.

Well, I mean most companies are not going to admit problems outright with no research of their own. When someone points out a flaw, do all companies say "Yes. We have failed"? hehe. Not usually.

Unless it's a widespread, blatant, egregious flaw (like explosions injuries, poisonings), most companies are going to try to downplay a problem, until they can investigate it more.

Would you have Apple release a statement one hour after the CR report, stating the horrible failure of their product hehe. Wouldn't happen, and not just with Apple! Be careful of assuming that Apple is the only company that does these things, or that doing these things is not normal.

You very obviously don't understand the mathematics or physics behind the subjects you're arguing. A doubling of dropped calls is a severe degrade in performance. That is fact. Now, dropping two calls instead of one, might not be that bad of an issue if you don't use your phone that much. If you run a business off the phone - it's a huge issue. I make my point again - just because it does not affect you, does not mean it's a "non-issue". You are not the only one using this product and if there is a valid problem with it then it needs to be owned.

Take this for example: A car blows up every time it gets rear-ended. According to most people on these forums, that's a "non-issue" because how likely are they to get into a car accident? Especially if they're a college student who rarely drives the car? But what about that person who uses it as a salesman and is driving all over the country?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but when you inject bias and opinion and make it fact, you're not adding to the conversation. It's the same thing when people say a problem is a "non-issue". It IS an issue, or it wouldn't be occurring. Period. How BIG of an issue, is now a matter of opinion.

Separate your facts from your opinions and you will be able to better analyze the situation and have better arguments.

You very obviously have an issue with putting things in perspective. A car that explodes when rear-ended is not comparable to an iPad that gets a little warm after you play a intensive game for 6 hours straight. You're just being hyperbolic. There's no physics or math about it. For reasons unknown to me, you seem to think that CR's use case for when the iPad gets "not uncomfortable" is comparable to a car exploding or a child being burned by hot water. It's called being dramatic hehe.

As i've already said, the charging issue, is a huge issue if true. An electronic device should charge, and Apple needs to fix that. But the heat issue is overblown. We can sit here and argue about physics and math some more if you like but I don't prescribe to the chicken little stuff hehe

 

[thetoad30]

Ah, but that was just an average increase, which is also important.

Some users didn't increase drops, or even got better (my son had less dropped calls when he upgraded to the new iPhone with the outside antenna ring).

Therefore, those who _did_ have an increase, would have had more than just one extra dropped call per 100 to make up the difference.

So be careful what you argue The less bad you try to make it for some, the worse it becomes for others.
I.e. If someone wants to claim that most people had no problem or an improvement, then the other users had to have a larger increase in dropped calls to cause such a relatively large statistical jump on average of all.

The point still is: If there's a problem, Apple's not likely to admit it. Jobs made sure that kind of forthright behavior was not in their DNA. Unless Cook goes in a different direction, that is.

Sound logic and statistics/math to back it up. Glad there are still a couple of us on these forums.

And agreed to the fact that Apple doesn't admit problems. Remember the MBP debacle with SATA III? Apple specifically told customers that since SATA III hardware wasn't tested with their machines, they didn't support it.

Fast-forward a couple of months after people were narrowing down the problem to the SATA cable used, and suddenly MBP were being quietly updated in manufacturing. Apple still will not admit to it.

 

[TheBronx]

Sound logic and statistics/math to back it up. Glad there are still a couple of us on these forums.

And agreed to the fact that Apple doesn't admit problems. Remember the MBP debacle with SATA III? Apple specifically told customers that since SATA III hardware wasn't tested with their machines, they didn't support it.

Fast-forward a couple of months after people were narrowing down the problem to the SATA cable used, and suddenly MBP were being quietly updated in manufacturing. Apple still will not admit to it.

Please state the last company that you are aware of that admitted a problem with their product, and the circumstances behind it.