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Consumer Reports Finds New iPad Gets Warm, Can't Charge Under Heavy Loads
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Just keep in mind the disclosure you agreed to for using Siri(dictation).
Siri will upload your personal information.
Upload, capture, store, profile...
They also like to share your personal information gathered for "product improvements"
It's like Apple enacted the Patriot Act on Siri users.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone4s.pdf.
Thanks for the reminder.
I am not too worried as my iPad can't even understand the names I say while using dictation. If I am not writing my own fiction/scripts, it'll probably just be routine class assignments.
If I start seeing Agents J or K at my door, then I'll worry.
I don't use Siri all that much on my iPhone (it's shut off).
You're thinking of the Samsung Series 7 tablet they dropped Win 8 Dev preview on and handed out to devs.I thought they were only cooler due to the fans that kicked in when things got warm. Oh wait, maybe I am thinking of the prototype Win 8 tablet.
There were no prototype tablets given out or even used in the demo.
The tablet they gave out had a mobile Core i5 CPU in it. The same CPU found in a MacBook Air.
I'm speaking relatively for the market being discussed, since you cannot buy a $25 tablet, and $200 is about base price for one.
Personally everything I buy I'd prefer it to be flawless, since I'm spending my money on it. But that's not realistic.
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Are you perhaps confusing Watts and Amps? I know most iPad chargers are 2.1 Amps, which at 5 Volts is 10.5 Watts (Power = Voltage * Current).
Once again the crowd that thinks this way only thinks in the best-case scenario.
How about at a school where these things won't be plugged in? What happens when you use it cordless and drop the charge to say 30%? And then you plug it in and need to keep using it? It keeps draining. So it's not 20 hours as you state - it becomes significantly less.
I see this becoming a huge issue for airlines that want to use it as a flight device. I know how intense those applications can be on power - I'm a private pilot (not an airline pilot) and having the unit be wireless is a huge factor in how it's used. Airlines don't allow power to be used in excess on airplanes to prevent overloads of the electrical system - that's why your airline adapter only prevents discharging.
Start thinking real-world, not best-case. And please, for the love of God, stop saying it's a non-issue. If it was a non-issue, it wouldn't ******** exist in the first place.
They last for 10 hours. Schools aren't even in session for 10 hours, much less do they have scheduling so tight that they would continually use them for that long. And they would charge them overnight.
They charge when they are plugged in an in use, unless you are playing an extreme game, so your other scenarios are not realistic.
20 watts of power in the cockpit on a jet aircraft is not a big deal. Any current limits that were enacted were because of old electrical systems not designed for modern use, I'm sure modern airplanes have plenty of "hotel" power available. Don't the newest ones have 20A plugs wired at each seat?
Really? Apple quotes battery length at full power use? Seems hardly able to cope, being that it can't charge at full power use.
20A plugs? Maybe on the newest triple-sevens and the 380. But again, how realistic is that? There are a lot of older planes out there.
Wrong. It did happen, to me. My glass isn't shattered, but with the full-case I have on the device, it did scratch the screen, both front and back.
No - in fact some of them can't do 1A (at 120v). I was tripping the breaker (fortunately, thermal auto-reset) on a Cathay Pacific B-class seat with my Latitude. I had to disable the second core and put things into "slow" mode until the batteries charged.
The 120v seat outlet couldn't handle both running normally and charging at the same time - but at minimum power mode I was OK. Once both batteries charged I was able to enable the 2nd core. (The batteries charge serially, so removing one battery would not have made a difference.)
This is so far from the truth it defies logic.
Heat is wasted electricity. You cannot use something, then turn it to heat. You are violating conservation of energy.
You either have heat, or you have "something"...
so after a few pages of the "it's and issue" "it's not an issue" back and forth and the "they should have just given a bigger charger" i got tried of reading the same thing over and over, so maybe this was mentioned but i couldn't find it from skimming.
Yeah a bigger charger would provide more power... but everyone seems to ignore the wires in the chargers and the thickness of the connections in the connector might not be able to handle the actual load. USB out puts at 5 volts, and depending on the source usually less than 5 watts (less than 1 amp). the chargers apple provide are 5 volts and 5/10 watts depending on which one, 1 and 2 amps respectively. Depending on the actual wiring in the usb to 32 pin connector cables going to any higher could burn them out check out this chart http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm that shows what load wire sizes can take (remember watts/volts= amps). Looking at the MBP chargers, they can carry 4.6 amps max on a cable that is as thick as the iPhone/ipad chargers... but short of cutting open both of the wires we are left to trying find the actual specs somewhere. Even then that will only tell us if the cable could carry it not if the connectors at either end can carry the load. Honestly the highest Amp USB chargers i have ever seen are 2 A, i know Powerd USB can get up to 6 amps but that struts using a bit different connectors AFAIK, and remember 6 amps at 5 volts is still only 30 watts.
Just food for thought. Apple can do a lot... but they can't defy physics.
Yeah a bigger charger would provide more power... but everyone seems to ignore the wires in the chargers and the thickness of the connections in the connector might not be able to handle the actual load. USB out puts at 5 volts, and depending on the source usually less than 5 watts (less than 1 amp). the chargers apple provide are 5 volts and 5/10 watts depending on which one, 1 and 2 amps respectively. Depending on the actual wiring in the usb to 32 pin connector cables going to any higher could burn them out check out this chart http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm that shows what load wire sizes can take (remember watts/volts= amps). Looking at the MBP chargers, they can carry 4.6 amps max on a cable that is as thick as the iPhone/ipad chargers... but short of cutting open both of the wires we are left to trying find the actual specs somewhere. Even then that will only tell us if the cable could carry it not if the connectors at either end can carry the load. Honestly the highest Amp USB chargers i have ever seen are 2 A, i know Powerd USB can get up to 6 amps but that struts using a bit different connectors AFAIK, and remember 6 amps at 5 volts is still only 30 watts.
Just food for thought. Apple can do a lot... but they can't defy physics.
Agreed, but the post did not specify that. It was a general statement that batteries cannot charge that fast. Its a limitation imposed by the device, not the physical nature of batteries in general.
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Enlighten us...
In the real world, what class is in session for 10 hours?
In the real world, sometimes you can forget to charge your iPad over night. Fair enough, you go to school with 20% power. What will you be doing in class that is so draining your battery actually discharges when plugged in?
Please don't preach "real world" when you're doomsday scenarios won't actually happen in the real world
If there was no such thing as non-issues, the phrase non-issue would not exist, but it does because it's necessary to describe this.
Having just played infinity blade II for an hour, the iPad (Early 2012) was warmer due to my hands rather than the chip.
This is a complete non-issue.
As for charging, it's left charging overnight, so a nice, fully charged iPad is always there when I need it.
This is a complete non-issue.
As for charging, it's left charging overnight, so a nice, fully charged iPad is always there when I need it.
That's one bad electrical system. I'd think the newer ones would have at least 50-100 amps of 120 volt power available... The big issue for aeros is weight, but once you start generating power, the marginal weight for a little more shouldn't be that much.
I said pretty much everything. The small remaining amount is light or sound, which eventually gets turned into heat in the room anyways...
As was mentioned before, they could boost the voltage up.
First, I never said a class was in session 8 hours. I said that a battery, at medium to full use, would never last 10 hours. So cut it in half - 5 hours. 5 hours a day using interactive books, graphs, apps that really utilize the GPU and the CPU. Say anatomy, physics, math, storybooks. Whatever. Again, your "real world" at 10 hours is fantasy land since 10 hours is the max the battery lasts at light load.
So you go with 20%, and you need to use wireless and do all the above. I'm even more thinking about how these things could be used in surgery, to interactively feed MRI images or CAT scan images to the surgeon. After all, it was Apple who marketed for these functions.
And finally, the logic you use for someone making up a word is in itself flawed.
New and Improved is a very good example. Just because someone came up with it and said it, does not make it a valid example.
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You are very obviously not a pilot. The only thing that matters in an airplane are, in order, the engines, the flight instruments, and the communication instruments. Everything else is luxury.
And I'm still telling you that argument is off base. My relatively high-end PC pulls at most 350W. No where near 350W of heat comes out of the PC. You are so far off base with no proof behind your argument that it just screams of you not understanding how basic physics works.
Clearly, with the arguments you presented above, you are not an engineer, nor have a scientific mind for engineering. Please leave that to the experts; I can only imagine the kind of flaws a product you'd design would have...
So now your definition of real world is simply making stuff up. Books? the vast majority of your interaction is simply reading whats on the screen, meaning everything but the back light is idle. You aren't heavy scrolling for 5 hours non-stop. Graphs? Again, calculating graphs takes mere moments, the rest of the time you're looking at them. It's an iPad, not a supercomputer you aren't going to be doing anything that takes hours of calculations. If you're using an app with real time graphs that are constantly updating, you aren't going to be doing it for 5 hours straight.
No only are these examples you've provided not going to be used the way you're suggesting and not put the load on you're pretending they would, but you still have the option of plugging it in. Since it will be iPad will be idling most of the time anyway, it will still receive a charge. So if we convert your make-believe real-world scenario to actual real-world, we have a situation where you'll have 5 hours of battery life after the power from the wall runs dry.
Not to mention 10 hours is not the max, 10 hours is with scren at 50% browsing. In Class, you also have an instructior and lecture. Where your ipad is either doing light load if you're note takeing or no load at all if you're listening. 10 hours is very achievable. Especially considering the reviews I've read said that 10 hour mark is pretty spot on.
Still waiting for you real-world scenarios where this is an issue. You clearly haven not provided it.
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That 1A was per seat outlet, not per airplane.
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I assume that safety is part of the reason for the low wattage limit - fires are less likely with limited power.
This CR report means zilch. Will not impact iPad sales at all.
"Already skirting the edge of irrelevance, Android tablets are at risk of being completely overwhelmed by Apples new iPad."
What Google Must Do to Keep Android Tablets Alive
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/?p=94025?utm_source=twitter
"Already skirting the edge of irrelevance, Android tablets are at risk of being completely overwhelmed by Apples new iPad."
What Google Must Do to Keep Android Tablets Alive
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/?p=94025?utm_source=twitter
But it can impact/increase the exchange/return rate.
Also, one opinion/article doesn't substantiate a fact but a mere speculation.
What I don't understand:
All of the measurements I've seen were done with the iPad radiating in free air, where the heat is greatly lessened.
I would like a magazine to do a test where the iPad is laying against someone's skin, with a thermometer between.
If that trapped area got to around 109F or above, then you would begin to see undesirable effects like the Toasted Skin rashes that doctors report.
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Another downside of extra heat is that it affects total battery lifetime. An extra ten degrees will take weeks or months away from it.
You really think there is only "one" article out there touting iPad's dominance in the tablet market?
