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How about the reverse direction, love them if they say something negative about Apple one year, then hate them the next if they say something positive.
Not at all.......haven't said anything one way or the other......just watching the flip flop dynamic as it is happening!
 
Just an observation:

Don't majority of the tests show that it bent on the volume area? Aka the weak point. That video showed the same thing look where it bent :eek:

While the media has overblown the whole thing, that weak spot right there is still a weak spot, but meh no gadget is perfect lol
 
Actually, it is a pretty good point that the hypothesis fails to address: there are similar breaks in the reinforcements along that edge that the Apple and CR tests addressed.

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Did you miss the post with all the iPhone 4, iPhone 5, iPhone 5S phones that have bent? I would say in total throughout the years, we are talking less than 50 phones (and that is giving your camp a HUGE benefit of the doubt).

That is out of MILLIONS of phones sold. Probably over 100 million phones.

Is it a problem? Yeah, a few people have had the problem. A few people have had failed home buttons, power buttons, battery problems, screen defects, etc.

It doesn't mean all people will suffer from the problem, or that there is a design defect. It doesn't mean Apple is a bad company, or made a bad product.

I don't understand the misplaced hate.

This post has been reported to the moderators, because it is way too sensible. This is the internet. We can't have people removing emotion from their posts and presenting a rational explanation that encourages others to think about the validity of their position, or lack thereof.

You can spot the rational nutjobs very easy. :eek:
 
What nobody has mentioned is the "Leverage" that a larger phone provides in respect to the bending point. If you are trying to turn a nut with your fingers, forget it. Now use a wrench and it gets easier. Use a longer wrench and the amount of force required decreases based on the length of the wrench used.

The iphone 6 may be stronger because the 6+ is longer and bigger so that leverage is increased and provides less force to bend in the area surrounding the volume buttons. Add that to the fact the screw is right at that point on the bottom of the buttons that holds the support bracket and bingo you have a week spot with no reinforcement.
 
Actually, it is a pretty good point that the hypothesis fails to address: there are similar breaks in the reinforcements along that edge that the Apple and CR tests addressed.

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Did you miss the post with all the iPhone 4, iPhone 5, iPhone 5S phones that have bent? I would say in total throughout the years, we are talking less than 50 phones (and that is giving your camp a HUGE benefit of the doubt).

That is out of MILLIONS of phones sold. Probably over 100 million phones.

Is it a problem? Yeah, a few people have had the problem. A few people have had failed home buttons, power buttons, battery problems, screen defects, etc.

It doesn't mean all people will suffer from the problem, or that there is a design defect. It doesn't mean Apple is a bad company, or made a bad product.

I don't understand the misplaced hate.
The CR test showed that the 6 and 6 Plus are much "easier" to bend than the 5 (4 was not tested). So you can assume there will be more cases of bending with the new iPhones in the future compared to the older models. In addition there are people claiming (even someone in this thread with video and pictures) that the phone (6 Plus) already slightly bends by putting it in the front pocket of not even tight jeans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxX_x3HTXQ
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19935054/
If you take a look at the pictures, the deformation/ loose display is near/ over the volume button holes. What do you make out of that? He did not use his phone in the right way?
Now there are only some people claiming their iPhone bent, but how many will there be over the next month? We have to wait and see.
 
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I believe he broke the phone, that's what he was trying to do. I think I could break it too if I tried. But that doesn't mean it will bend in your pocket.

Zactly.

I did watch a CNN Business host try to bend the phone and couldn't. I watched another news show hand an iPhone to random people on the street and let them try to bend it and no one could. I'm quite sure the iPhone 6 will be fine in real world use. Just the same, I'll keep an eye on my phone.
 
Dear Samsung and Google,

Let's see it. Unbox an iPhone 6 Plus in a video and in one continuous take (no sneaky tricks, now) have a girl put it in her back pocket and sit on it.

Do a real world application of this bending theory on an iPhone Plus and comparable phablets.

Don't use some dude who has big muscles and sneakily turns off the camera.

Don't use some machine that simulates stress.

Do an actual live on-camera stress test of the iPhone 6.

Also also, have multiple people sign affidavits that you just did the test a few times (not like repeating it 1000 times until you got a bendable phone).

If you're not willing to do that, then bendgate is just a blip on the media's memory, like antennagate, that will have no impact on sales whatsoever -- except maybe to increase global awareness of the iPhone 6 Plus (dummies).

Just one 512ke's opinion.
 
Actually, it is a pretty good point that the hypothesis fails to address: there are similar breaks in the reinforcements along that edge that the Apple and CR tests addressed.

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Did you miss the post with all the iPhone 4, iPhone 5, iPhone 5S phones that have bent? I would say in total throughout the years, we are talking less than 50 phones (and that is giving your camp a HUGE benefit of the doubt).

That is out of MILLIONS of phones sold. Probably over 100 million phones.

Is it a problem? Yeah, a few people have had the problem. A few people have had failed home buttons, power buttons, battery problems, screen defects, etc.

It doesn't mean all people will suffer from the problem, or that there is a design defect. It doesn't mean Apple is a bad company, or made a bad product.

I don't understand the misplaced hate.

You realize that the reenforcement break by the volume buttons is the weaker one? That it's weaker because of the huge hole machined into the side of the aluminum frame for the volume buttons?

I can't believe anyone could fail to understand that.
 

THEY DID NO SUCH THING,


INVALID and INCOMPLETE TEST




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Weakspot theory shows Bendgate’s not quite dead yet

Luke Dormehl (11:26 am PDT, Sep 26th)


http://www.cultofmac.com/297938/weakspot-theory-shows-bendgates-quite-dead-yet/





As alleras4 writes:

“It’s not about how much force must be applied and if a pocket will do the trick or not. It’s just that under a particular type of flexing, the phone is prone to bend mainly because a metal insert meant to reinforce instead spins in an axis too close to the critical point. If they were further apart allowing better support to counter the flexing and not [spinning], it would make it more resistant.”

The idea explains why Apple’s stress-testing techniques failed to discover the alleged fault, since unlike Unbox Therapy’s manual approach to bending, Apple applied equal force across the phone’s entire profile, rather than one side which was what was necessary to start the bending process.





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LAB TESTING typically only covers a SMALL PART of real world stress

It's really nice how a supposedly futile discussion can bring some interesting questions about science.
 
I've often wondered wondered why they have this love affair with a-loo-minium. It is a soft metal, you think that there would be better options...then again, I'm not an engineer.

No phone needs to be paper thin at the expense of durability or battery life. While my iPhone 6 has been great so far, I'd have been fine if it was slightly thicker with a bit bigger battery. In reality, I'd probably be happier with that.

Aluminum has some good manufacturing characteristics plus there is a tremendous amount of engineering knowledge regarding the use of aluminum. Look how long it too Boeing to finally release the 787. I'm sure some day we will see some other base materials used for iPhone cases.
 
You realize that the reenforcement break by the volume buttons is the weaker one? That it's weaker because of the huge hole machined into the side of the aluminum frame for the volume buttons?

I can't believe anyone could fail to understand that.

We understand that the device appears to have weak points. It appears as though if enough pressure is exerted in just the right place, you can bend it.

Other phones have weak points. Other phones bend. The true test is whether this effects real world, day to day use.
 
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What nobody has mentioned is the "Leverage" that a larger phone provides in respect to the bending point. If you are trying to turn a nut with your fingers, forget it. Now use a wrench and it gets easier. Use a longer wrench and the amount of force required decreases based on the length of the wrench used.

The iphone 6 may be stronger because the 6+ is longer and bigger so that leverage is increased and provides less force to bend in the area surrounding the volume buttons. Add that to the fact the screw is right at that point on the bottom of the buttons that holds the support bracket and bingo you have a week spot with no reinforcement.

I think what has surprised some people is that in the CR tests show the 6+ came out more resistant to deformation than the 6. I'm still a bit stumped about that point, I would have thought the longer spanning 6+ would be more susceptible to deformation. So I am assuming that maybe the 6+ has some superior internal support structure than the 6.
 
We understand that the device appears to have weak points. It appears as though if enough pressure is exerted in just the right place, you bend it.

Other phones have weak points. Other phones bend. The true test is whether this effects real world, day to day use.

No, I don't believe you do understand. I've read lots of your posts and I don't believe you have any interest in learning the truth. You're an Apple defender and that's that.
 
YEP! Who knew. Only Apple is innovative enough to "invent" bendable aluminum. Who would of thunk 7mm Aluminum could be made to bend when subjected to force. Those guys are genius!

Yea they are so stupid ... they should have taken Scotty up on his offer and used clear aluminum.
 
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