Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

[subsonix]

First of all, I did not "made up" (=invented) anything in this posting,

We can stop here because this is what you said:

"Aha, and because It is directed "directly to the YouTube guy" and because the YouTube guy is a liar(?), in reality the phone doesn't bend(?) the article pointing to a possible "weak spot" can't be true and so it is just not possible that there is a "weak spot"?

You are making up this story, projecting views on me which I haven't brought up and isn't relevant to our discussion. Instead of following that lead, I ignored it, and gave you my real views. It's a straw man argument.

 

[StyxMaker]

I saw a skinny guy break this thing with is bare hands applying very little force. This is bs.

How did you measure the force he applied? What does hime being skinny have to do with it?

 

[jamezr]

It seems funny how everyone now loves Consumer Reports. Last year when Consumer Reports said the iPhone 5s battery was not as good as the Android flagship phones..........most here said Consumer Reports was trash!! Now they like Consumer Reports! I wonder how many of the MR faithful have flipflopped from last year????


https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/16/new-iphones-score-well-with-consumer-reports-but-display-and-battery-no-match-for-android-competitors/

 

[yansun]

We can stop here because this is what you said:



You are making up this story, projecting views on me which I haven't brought up and isn't relevant to our discussion. Instead of following that lead, I ignored it, and gave you my real views. It's a straw man argument.

Can we?

First of all, I did not "made up" (=invented) anything in this posting, but 1. I named some assumptions people here were writing about this guy and the video, marked with a question mark asking if that is your concern with the guy too.

What did I made up? I did not know what's your concern with the guy, so I asked. You saw the question marks? ...

 

[heartlegs]

How did you measure the force he applied? What does hime being skinny have to do with it?

Because skinny people aren't very strong? Huh?

 

[subsonix]

Can we?

What did I made up?

I posted a quote, I didn't bring this up, it's not my views, it's irrelevant to my point so I ignored it. Why should I spend time on irrelevant details that you bring into the discussion.

 

[KellydenAdel]

What. It took Consumer Reports to report common sense ?

THEY DID NO SUCH THING,


INVALID and INCOMPLETE TEST

Weakspot theory shows Bendgate’s not quite dead yet

Luke Dormehl (11:26 am PDT, Sep 26th)


http://www.cultofmac.com/297938/weakspot-theory-shows-bendgates-quite-dead-yet/





As alleras4 writes:

“It’s not about how much force must be applied and if a pocket will do the trick or not. It’s just that under a particular type of flexing, the phone is prone to bend mainly because a metal insert meant to reinforce instead spins in an axis too close to the critical point. If they were further apart allowing better support to counter the flexing and not [spinning], it would make it more resistant.”

The idea explains why Apple’s stress-testing techniques failed to discover the alleged fault, since unlike Unbox Therapy’s manual approach to bending, Apple applied equal force across the phone’s entire profile, rather than one side which was what was necessary to start the bending process.

LAB TESTING typically only covers a SMALL PART of real world stress

 

[NovemberWhiskey]

How did you measure the force he applied? What does hime being skinny have to do with it?

Exactly. Being skinny/weak has VERY LITTLE to do with anything. Unless someone was suffering from a motor neuron disease, even the tinniest person could break a phone if they applied the right leverage.

Pressure = Force/Area. If you decrease the surface area the force is applied to, you are directly increasing the pressure.

Furthermore, torque = Force * r * sin (theta)

By holding the phone in such a way that theta (the angle between fulcrum point and the force applied) is 90 or close to 90 degrees, and that (r) is maximized (r=the distance between the fulcrum point and the point of the force applied), you are dramatically increasing the torque applied to the phone.

 

[yansun]

I posted a quote, I didn't bring this up, it's not my views, it's irrelevant to my point so I ignored it. Why should I spend time on irrelevant details that you bring into the discussion.

It's your choice to ignore, but please don't state "I made" things up. Because I did not. I did not say that this is your view, I was ASKING you. What are question marks for? ... Thanks.

 

[subsonix]

It seems funny how everyone now loves Consumer Reports.

Not everyone, the ones who loved them last year doesn't anymore.

 

[Bilbo63]

If you chose to see it that way. It's currently being field tested by hundreds of thousands, perhaps a couple of million users. That is where the real world testing is. It will either go away soon or explode into a major issue.

This is what I keep saying. If there is a legitimate issue and the iPhone 6 cannot stand the rigours of day to day life then this will be huge. For some reason there seems to be a ton of people going off the deep end about this issue based a few isolated reports and some random guy's video who applies anything but real world stress on the phone. Most of these people who are losing there crap don't even own the device, so they cannot even speak from personal experience. It boggle's the mind.

Apple sold millions of these phones. It stands to reason that if there was a large number of phones bending in real world situations we would know about it. What I see is a butt load of haters who have made it their life's mission to crank up the volume on something that in all likelihood will be a non issue.

Many of us here are speaking from actual experience. We own the device, use it daily and are having NO issues, bending or otherwise. I have had an iPhone 6 for just over a week. I carry it in my front pocket of slim jeans, no case. It has not bent in the slightest.

I paid good money for this thing and if it cannot stand the rigours of day to day life Apple will hear about it. So far, it's been rock solid. That seems to get the haters panties in a bunch because that's not what they want to hear.

 

[subsonix]

It's your choice to ignore, but please don't state "I made" things up. Because I did not. Thanks.

You made things up, I posted a quote of what you said, you can read it.

 

[AppleScruff1]

It seems funny how everyone now loves Consumer Reports. Last year when Consumer Reports said the iPhone 5s battery was not as good as the Android flagship phones..........most here said Consumer Reports was trash!! Now they like Consumer Reports! I wonder how many of the MR faithful have flipflopped from last year????


https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/16/new-iphones-score-well-with-consumer-reports-but-display-and-battery-no-match-for-android-competitors/

There are a lot of banned users in that thread!

 

[yansun]

You made things up, I posted a quote of what you said, you can read it.

And you can read the question marks? I did not say that this is your view, I was ASKING you. What are question marks for? ... It's getting too stupid here.

 

[subsonix]

It's your choice to ignore, but please don't state "I made" things up. Because I did not. I did not say that this is your view, I was ASKING you. What are question marks for? ... Thanks.

Rhetorical questions? What about question marks in parens?

 

[AppleScruff1]

This is what I keep saying. If there is a legitimate issue and the iPhone 6 cannot stand the rigours of day to day life then this will be huge. For some reason there seems to be a ton of people going off the deep end about this issue based a few isolated reports and some random guy's video who applies anything but real world stress on the phone. Most of these people who are losing there crap don't even own the device, so they cannot even speak from personal experience. It boggle's the mind.

Apple sold millions of these phones. It stands to reason that if there was a large number of phones bending in real world situations we would know about it. What I see is a butt load of haters who have made it their life's mission to crank up the volume on something that in all likelihood will be a non issue.

Many of us here are speaking from actual experience. We own the device, use it daily and are having NO issues, bending or otherwise. I have had an iPhone 6 for just over a week. I carry it in my front pocket of slim jeans, no case. It has not bent in the slightest.

I paid good money for this thing and if it cannot stand the rigours of day to day life Apple will hear about it. So far, it's been rock solid. That seems to get the haters panties in a bunch because that's not what they want to hear.

IMO, if there really is an issue, it will be the 6+, not the 6.

 

[calzon65]

The Luke Dormehl post is an interesting read because if that "reinforcement bar" is the so called "weak link", there is probably a redesign that could improve the situation. Again, more real world testing and feedback will determine if this issue turns into a major problem for Apple.

 

[vinnie603]

Like the Apple 5c? Unapologetically plastic?

Not premium indeed.

 

[NovemberWhiskey]

THEY DID NO SUCH THING,


INVALID and INCOMPLETE TEST



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Weakspot theory shows Bendgate’s not quite dead yet

Luke Dormehl (11:26 am PDT, Sep 26th)


http://www.cultofmac.com/297938/weakspot-theory-shows-bendgates-quite-dead-yet/





As alleras4 writes:

“It’s not about how much force must be applied and if a pocket will do the trick or not. It’s just that under a particular type of flexing, the phone is prone to bend mainly because a metal insert meant to reinforce instead spins in an axis too close to the critical point. If they were further apart allowing better support to counter the flexing and not [spinning], it would make it more resistant.”

The idea explains why Apple’s stress-testing techniques failed to discover the alleged fault, since unlike Unbox Therapy’s manual approach to bending, Apple applied equal force across the phone’s entire profile, rather than one side which was what was necessary to start the bending process.





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LAB TESTING typically only covers a SMALL PART of real world stress

That is one man's hypothesis, and by his OWN ADMISSION, he is purely basing his HYPOTHESIS off of pictures. He has NOT handled the phone, or inspected the chassis first hand. He even admits he is guessing at diagrams A & B, and I am still unclear by what his point is regarding those points.

I can see how the breaks in the reinforcements could be a weak point, BUT, those breaks repeat along the longitudinal edges of the phone.

MOST INTERESTING: there is the same break near the middle of the phone where both Apple and Consumer reports applied their force (a force applied with a thin bar with 90 degree edges, which is much more likely to bend compared to a soft thumb).

IF the breaks in the reinforcements are the cause, the Apple and CR tests would much more likely cause a bend in the middle of the phone as well.

This "online investigation" should NOT be given more credence than the scientific and objective testing two REPUTABLE companies have done. You are taking the word of one man who stands to profit from his bend videos, and one man's own ADMITTED speculation.

Stop being ridiculous. Is it possible his theory is right? Possibly, but at least some portions are poorly explained, and it is in no way verified to be dispositive (even by his own admission).

Remember how reddit thought they found the Boston Marathon bombers through their "online investigation"? Yeah. Stop.

It is a theory at this point. Nothing else.

 

[-LikesMac-]

Apple...

Honestly, Apple should have gone with a different metal. Graphene would have been JUST GREAT.

 

[jamezr]

If you chose to see it that way. It's currently being field tested by hundreds of thousands, perhaps a couple of million users. That is where the real world testing is. It will either go away soon or explode into a major issue.

agreed! I think it is funny how many are Consumer Reports fans now......last year they didn't like Consumer Reports when they did not like the iPhone 5s battery.

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/16/new-iphones-score-well-with-consumer-reports-but-display-and-battery-no-match-for-android-competitors/

 

[calzon65]

Honestly, Apple should have gone with a different metal. Graphene would have been JUST GREAT.

A Graphene case, now that would be amazing.

 

[rsocal]

It seems funny how everyone now loves Consumer Reports. Last year when Consumer Reports said the iPhone 5s battery was not as good as the Android flagship phones..........most here said Consumer Reports was trash!! Now they like Consumer Reports! I wonder how many of the MR faithful have flipflopped from last year????


https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/16/new-iphones-score-well-with-consumer-reports-but-display-and-battery-no-match-for-android-competitors/

I did, they're on our team now....

 

[montycat]

What people don’t understand is that the iPhone 6 uses only four non reversible tremupipes for side buffering and the lack of a differential girdle spring was a huge mistake. Sinusodial smart phones with an integrated gram meter have proven to withstand 4th dimensional stresses than a standard lotis-ol-deltoild winding design, but that is another discussion. In the end and to utilize the current iPhone 6 design, Apple must integrate panendermic staters to prevent upended score motion.

Very funny Reminds me of this classic video in where the narrator ad-libs his lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o

 

[yansun]

Rhetorical questions? What about question marks in parens?

I said I was asking you. So my intention of putting the question marks there was what? To ask you. If there was a misinterpretation I have told you now. So now you know what I meant in the first place. Lets leave it with that. This discussion is way too stupid already...