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Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

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rGiskard said:
Good. Maybe you can explain what dragging your HDTV behind a truck has to do with iPhones bending in people's pockets.
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You're seriously asking that?

Real. World. Use.

Grabbing a phone and trying as hard as you can to bend it is not real world use – your just busting a phone.

It has not been proven that the iPhone 6 bends in pockets. Many phones might bend or break in a rear pocket if you sit on them. Out of the millions and millions of iPhone 6's sold there are a very few claiming that the phone bent in their front pocket. The millions upon millions of other users whose phones are perfectly fine mean nothing , I guess.
 
mpavilion said:
I just watched the CR video, which I hadn't previously (had only read the text). Don't see how anyone can be satisfied by that thin bar pressing down in the center of the phone. That doesn't seem to replicate any "real world" stress situation a phone will encounter (let alone address the charge that the iPhone has a weakness at a specific point in its chassis).
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Its pushing on the middle part of the phone and the ends of the phone are too having pressure put on them
 
rGiskard said:
No, I don't believe you do understand. I've read lots of your posts and I don't believe you have any interest in learning the truth. You're an Apple defender and that's that.
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Not at all. There is no real proof that the iPhone 6 cannot withstand day to day use. That's all I'm saying. Apple has sold millions of these things. There have been very few reported issues yet people seem to want to blow this right out of proportion.

I'm taking the wait and see approach. Right now, I am skeptical that this will turn out to be a problem.

Make no mistake, If my phone does not stand up to everyday use Apple is going to hear about it. I have never claimed that Apple is perfect. They do a lot of dumb things. Personally, I'd rather have the phone be slightly thicker and have a larger battery.

By the way, do you own an iPhone 6? Have you been carrying one around in your pocket for the last week? Have you even tried to bend one? I'm just asking because you seem to know so much.
 
rGiskard said:
You realize that the reenforcement break by the volume buttons is the weaker one? That it's weaker because of the huge hole machined into the side of the aluminum frame for the volume buttons?

I can't believe anyone could fail to understand that.
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I've already addressed this before. I can't believe anyone would fail to understand that if the weakness is in the volume button cutouts, the bend would have occurred there. But it occurs below the buttons, at the point you argue is stronger.

There seem to be several theories going around, or several interpretations of the theory you are defending:

1. That the interruptions in the reinforcements are leading to weak points (which is why people are saying a continuous bar would prevent bending), surrounded by strong points. I can see some reason in this theory, and if I were to believe in a theory, this would be the one.

2. That the reinforcement itself is bending the phone at the volume button cutout, because the cutout weakens the metal. I don't find this very credible, as the reinforcement's sole purpose is the reinforce that area, and unless that reinforcement is bending itself, there shouldn't be any bending. Furthermore, the bend is occurring below the volume buttons (both of them), and if the cutouts are causing weakness, the weakest point (the point at which it would bend) should be either in the middle of either cutout, or between the two cutouts. But again, the reinforcement bar is there. And so is the battery, flanking that entire length.

Either way, even if I do lend credence to this theory, I just don't see this being an issue in everyday use. I see it as a problem for people planning to apply force at this specific point, in a very specific manner.
 
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yansun said:
Read this and explain me why this hypothesis is wrong.
http://imgur.com/a/FBegH And why the phone of user richardsonrs e.g. bent at that same spot in his jeans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxX_x3HTXQ https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19935054/
And thanks for your concerns, but I don't think I have any reality issues. But I really dislike these trolls here too... :rolleyes:
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1) the video shows a bent iphone ( very very slightly ) but honestly we don't know in which condition, we could trust the user and think it was just his front pocket, but it could be more than that.

2)the theory about bending phones is total ********. the load diagram is totally wrong in the second scenario (there should be many many peaks, because the momentum must be taken in its absolute value)


the Momentum diagrams show just the reason why the phone breaks in that 'weak point' and why the break point of the lab could be located in a different position ( in the middle )

So in the end it s the amount of force to decide the break, the momentum diagram generally just shows where it occurs. Of course the lab test misses the weakest point, but still the video test shows un unrealistic use of force ( if u want to break it it breaks )

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Bilbo63 said:
You're seriously asking that?

Real. World. Use.

Grabbing a phone and trying as hard as you can to bend it is not real world use – your just busting a phone.

It has not been proven that the iPhone 6 bends in pockets. Many phones might bend or break in a rear pocket if you sit on them. Out of the millions and millions of iPhone 6's sold there are a very few claiming that the phone bent in their front pocket. The millions upon millions of other users whose phones are perfectly fine mean nothing , I guess.
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There are already numerous reports of iPhone 6+ phones bending while in pockets. Most of these reports are from people who just bought the phones. To me that suggests a problem.

Those millions of iPhones you keep bringing up, they've only been in customer's hands for a few days! That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability.

I'm still waiting for you to explain what dragging a TV behind a truck has to do with any of this.
 
calzon65 said:
I have a feeling this issue is far from closed.
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Of course not. Rabid anti Apple nuts are still ranting about a signal issue from 4 years ago.

As a real user i do not hesitate to stuff my six in my tight pants as I drive, sit and what have you.
 
K I gotta put my two cents in.....Watched CR's video...never been a huge fan of theirs, but its ok, and the other video shown inside Apple's testing facility was always ok. It shows durability testing, meant for real life everyday use! The tests don't check off for those who take phones and simply try to bend them with their hands on purpose. I am still curious how many "TRUE" reports of bent iphone 6 plus bent phones are truly out there, probably more than 9...maybe a 100, maybe a 1000, maybe not, I don't know. I will admit I was a little concerned at first. I had a Incipio hybrid case on damn that was on tight!!! I like to take my cases off to clean my phones once a week or so. It was also too bulky. This is my first iphone since the 4S. I had many large phones since, including the Note, Note 2, Note 3 (for one day and returned it, thought it was garbage!) I just sold my Oneplus One and that felt cheap to me, bezels would chip in cases. I also had the HTC One M8. The reason that probably won't bend as well in that rods videos is because the screen would crack and break prior to it bending, he stopped bending it once it made a noise. I also had the Nokia 1520 (6" phone). I am used to having slim protective case on my phones and also keep them in my front pockets and I have a car dock. So when I saw the video of the guy bending the phone, I was wondering "What the hell? How am I going to get this case off without it bending?" Thursday, I went to a number of stores, ATT, T-Mobile, Sprint, and Apple looking for cases, none reported any returned 6 plusses. I struggled to take off that damn hybrid case and was scared to look, but once I got it off, the phone was perfect, not bent at all! Straight as an arrow I went back and also watched the stress test video on youtube where a company compacted I believe it was 100lbs of pressure on the phone and then it bent a little. I know the weak spot is around the volume button, that is obvious, when I watched the rod again bend the phone and then bend it in Canada lol Canada lol....You can tell he is especially in the first video applying pressure near the volume rocker IMO, I could be wrong, in the second video, he just bends it as fast and hard as he can, that's it! He knows his 15 min. of fame are about up so he is going to keep doing this! Now comparing the phone to the Moto X, which is garbage IMO, if you want a pure android phone, get a Nexus or Oneplus for now...he tries to bend it and what a shock it doesn't bend! Why? Smaller phone, thicker, back is much thicker, made of plastic!! Its comparing (no pun intended) apples to oranges. He is just in love with the phone! I say put this crap to rest, enjoy your phone, don't put it in your back pocket!! I didn't even know people did that!!! That is asking for trouble! Any phone could break with force in the back pocket! The tests Apple and the others are doing are meant for daily real life living conditions! When you are currently the number 1 selling smartphone and have 2 to 3 week backorder, a course people will hate, you will have enemies when you're on top....but its a phone! So remember that and enjoy it! I am done with bendgate unless something crazy happens!!! Bye bye for now!
 
NovemberWhiskey said:
I've already addressed this before. I can't believe anyone would fail to understand that if the weakness is in the volume button cutouts, the bend would have occurred there. But it occurs below the buttons, at the point you argue is stronger.

Either way, even if I do lend credence to this theory, I just don't see this being an issue in everyday use. I see it as a problem for people planning to apply force at this specific point, in a very specific manner.
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The bend did occur there:
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It doesn't bend at the volume buttons because there is reenforcement there. It bends at the reenforcement plate's pivot point. The metal above and below the volume buttons stretches and compresses:

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Others have diagrammed the forces at play.
 
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rGiskard said:
There are already numerous reports of iPhone 6+ phones bending while in pockets. Most of these reports are from people who just bought the phones. To me that suggests a problem.

Those millions of iPhones you keep bringing up, they've only been in customer's hands for a few days! That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability.

I'm still waiting for you to explain what dragging a TV behind a truck has to do with any of this.
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Actually, 9-10 reports.

There were similar reports with comparable numbers of people that got phones with dead pixels, dust under the screen, screen abnormalities, etc.

All within just a couple of days.

I don't understand why you feel that you should extrapolate a massive widespread problem regarding the bending, and not those problems.

Again, bending is not a new complaint when it comes to the iphone. People have complained about it since the iPhone 4, which was a much thicker, heavier stainless steel/glass construction.

If you are going to worry about bending, you might as well worry about shattering glass from drops, because after handling this phone, I would say I am much more likely to drop it than to bend it.

Curious: you are so adamant there is a bending problem: do you own the phone? Have you used it for days? Have you even handled the phone in your hands?

Every honest iphone 6/6+ owner knows it is a solid phone.

Just go handle the phone and report back if you think it will bend under normal use.
 
Wow

I can't believe some people were actually nervous about removing it from a case.
I can barely wrap my mind around such theatrics
 
rGiskard said:
There are already numerous reports of iPhone 6+ phones bending while in pockets. Most of these reports are from people who just bought the phones. To me that suggests a problem.

Those millions of iPhones you keep bringing up, they've only been in customer's hands for a few days! That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability.

I'm still waiting for you to explain what dragging a TV behind a truck has to do with any of this.
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people keeping saying "numerous" people are reporting bent phones.... but where are they???
 
rGiskard said:
The bend did occur there:
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It doesn't bend at the volume buttons because there is reenforcement there. It bends at the reenforcement plate's pivot point. The metal above and below the volume buttons stretches:

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Others have diagrammed the forces at play.
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That's exactly my point, one you just contradicted. It bends at the point below the reinforcement, which is where that break is. The weakness is not in the volume button cutouts, it is in the LACK OF REINFORCEMENT flanked by two sides of reinforcement. There is a similar break at the midway point where Apple and CR applied their force.

The force applied by the Apple and CR tests is certainly enough to distress both weak points.

And every one of these forces applied is MUCH more than a phone would undergo in normal use.
 
rGiskard said:
There are already numerous reports of iPhone 6+ phones bending while in pockets. Most of these reports are from people who just bought the phones. To me that suggests a problem.

Those millions of iPhones you keep bringing up, they've only been in customer's hands for a few days! That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability.

I'm still waiting for you to explain what dragging a TV behind a truck has to do with any of this.
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How many is numerous? Nothing has yet been proven yet you seem to have already decided.

"That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability." What's that you say?

Hold on to your hat – I actually agree with that statement. In fact that's what I keep saying. At this point NOTHING has been proven. We don't know that there is a structural flaw that affects real world use yet you and others are already to recall every iPhone 6.

I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out. Perhaps you should too.

Maybe there is a problem. Maybe there's not. It's still pretty early. I do know that MY iPhone 6 has been good (so far) as well as several others that I know who have one.

It just seems that the people who are screaming the loudest have zero experience with the device. That seems really silly to me.

As far as Dragging my TV comment goes... A guy trying hard to bend a phone on reported weak spots is just as much real world use as dragging by TV behind my truck.
 
Ramrod82 said:
people keeping saying "numerous" people are reporting bent phones.... but where are they???
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I've yet to see a video of a brand spanking new phone unboxed and bent.

Even the latest 'still wrapped' in the mall in front of witnesses video - used a non new phone.

Until someone goes to 5 different Apple stores, gets 5 different iPhones opens them up on the record and applies the same force to those 5 different iPhones to achieve an instant bend - I'm still calling most of those youtube videos 'tricks'.

Having said that - the likely trick in my opinion is 'metal fatigue', meaning the problem hasn't gone away, it has in a sense got far worse for Apple.
 
efktd said:
i'm sick of people asking me if my phone is bent. i'm like, no. this thing is badass.
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LOL. I keep giving my friend hell too and he says the same thing. Waiting for him to call me and tell me it bent. We'll see.
 
BJonson said:
LOL. I keep giving my friend hell too and he says the same thing. Waiting for him to call me and tell me it bent. We'll see.
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ha. yeah i keep checking it, no bends yet. but i already have it in the apple leather case.
 
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