Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

[doelcm82]

I have a feeling this controversy will continue to rapidly expand before (or if) it subsides.

I think it's already beginning to subside. The MacRumors editors took the weekend off, rather than stay and post new articles hourly.

The more iPhone 6's are out there in regular users' hands, and the more they find that the phones are not particularly bendy, the less traction this will have.

What could keep it going is a lot of actual iPhone 6 owners showing up at Apple, needing their phones replaced. Such an occurrence would be convincing to both Apple and Bendgazi skeptics like me, that engineering changes were warranted. YouTube videos aren't convincing when real-world evidence doesn't show a problem.

As an owner of an iPhone 6+ that has survived my pocket for over a week without bending, I'm thinking that rush is going to be a tiny trickle.

The issue will never completely go away. There are always a few in every crowd who will keep bringing it up. But they will have to compete with the growing reality of actual iPhone 6 owners who aren't experiencing the problem at all.

 

[richardsonrs]

Nope. You didn't watch the 4 press event, did you? First thing jobs did was show the data -- the carrier numbers proved dropped calls were statistically moot. Not a real problem for real world users. The bumpers were just a PR throwaway.

This is why the 4 design didn't change at all as they continued to sell it as the cheaper model for many more years. The 4S changed but it had to because they made it dual band. The plain 4 remained untouched for years.

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You are confused. The 4S came next. Its antenna design changed as they made it multiple bands for more markets.

Jobs went over the dropped call data for the 4, as collected by the carriers -- dropped calls were a fraction of a fraction. Non issue, case closed.

The free bumpers were just to appease the mouth-breathers.

I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale, you interested?

 

[ckhris1613]

Sorry, but the supposed antenna issues had virtually zero impact on users. It was blab way out of proportion just like this "issue" and then just faded away, even though nothing changed.

This will be the same

Says you. I remember how bad my iPhone 4 reception sucked because of the antenna issue.

 

[grcar]

Misleading tests at Apple and Consumer Reports

The bending tests at Apple and Consumer Reports are misleading because (1) they apply the pressure along a line located at the middle of the device. Moreover, (2) the pressure is applied quickly with increasing force until the unit breaks. If a single pressure point is used at the precise spot on the edge of the case where the unit bends, then it will bend under much less pressure. And if below-threshold pressure is applied at the spot off and on for many times, then the unit will eventually deform permanently.

 

[gijoeinla]

I think it's already beginning to subside. The MacRumors editors took the weekend off, rather than stay and post new articles hourly.

The more iPhone 6's are out there in regular users' hands, and the more they find that the phones are not particularly bendy, the less traction this will have.

What could keep it going is a lot of actual iPhone 6 owners showing up at Apple, needing their phones replaced. Such an occurrence would be convincing to both Apple and Bendgazi skeptics like me, that engineering changes were warranted. YouTube videos aren't convincing when real-world evidence doesn't show a problem.

As an owner of an iPhone 6+ that has survived my pocket for over a week without bending, I'm thinking that rush is going to be a tiny trickle.

The issue will never completely go away. There are always a few in every crowd who will keep bringing it up. But they will have to compete with the growing reality of actual iPhone 6 owners who aren't experiencing the problem at all.

Appears the mainstream media has already dropped it -- I'm still counting here - 2100 comments and what ZERO photos of "bending" of actual in the wild iPhones.

One thing is certain -- the Sammy lovers are here in record numbers more upset at something that has no material effect on them... Paid shills people. PAID shills!

 

[mdelvecchio]

I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale, you interested?

You can't argue against the facts, so that's all you've got.

iPhone 4 dropped calls were <1 per-100 more than the 3GS. complaints to apple care were .55%.

Educate yourself with facts, not hysteria:

http://youtu.be/i8tXyfjfnB0

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Says you. I remember how bad my iPhone 4 reception sucked because of the antenna issue.

Nope. The carrier data said otherwise -- difference in dropped calls between the 4 and the 3GS was <1.

http://youtu.be/i8tXyfjfnB0

...maybe your area sucked.

The 4 had the highest customer satisfaction rates of any iPhone before it. They continued selling it, unchanged, for many years. You can't explain that.

 

[mpavilion]

Appears the mainstream media has already dropped it -- I'm still counting here - 2100 comments and what ZERO photos of "bending" of actual in the wild iPhones.

One thing is certain -- the Sammy lovers are here in record numbers more upset at something that has no material effect on them... Paid shrills people. PAID shrills!

I think several photos have been posted in this thread.

(Also -- the word you're looking for is "shills"; although there is certainly lots of shrillness up in here...)

 

[richardsonrs]

You can't argue against the facts, so that's all you've got.

iPhone 4 dropped calls were <1 per-100 more than the 3GS. complaints to apple care were .55%.

Educate yourself with facts, not hysteria:

http://youtu.be/i8tXyfjfnB0

My facts are that 3 out 4 people I know that had the 4 dropped calls on a very consistent basis, as in daily. Those number are easily manipulated to show what they want you to see. Att doesn't even count it as a dropped call under many circumstances. Neither do the others. Free cases, replacement phones, changed ant design, and a lost lawsuit. It was a real problem. Those are also facts you can not deny. You can try and make it out to not be a big deal if you want but that isn't fact, that is opinion. Billion dollar companies don't give stuff away for free because they are being nice.. And if you think Apple is different check the current price on the USB lightning cable. If they were all about being nice for the fun of it then it wouldn't cost 30 bucks..

I gave you the offer because I figured if you believe these corporations then you probably will believe anything is all.

 

[Elijen]

Not surface - length. A surface area can be increased in width to create a largeg surface area, but if it has the same or lesser length the leverage won't increase. The relevant factor here is the plus' length, especially if dumb enough to be in a back pocket, where you're often bending and using your butt as a fulcrum against the lever.

I'm sure apple is aware of this. But they can't fix stupid.

What's stupid on having a phone in your pocket? Especially when none of phones had similar problems. Are you telling me that on a sunny day I need a special purse to carry the new iPhone 6? That's ridiculous!

 

[cmaier]

My facts are that 3 out 4 people I know that had the 4 dropped calls on a very consistent basis, as in daily. Those number are easily manipulated to show what they want you to see. Att doesn't even count it as a dropped call under many circumstances. Neither do the others. Free cases, replacement phones, changed ant design, and a lost lawsuit. It was a real problem. Those are also facts you can not deny. You can try and make it out to not be a big deal if you want but that isn't fact, that is opinion. Billion dollar companies don't give stuff away for free because they are being nice.. And if you think Apple is different check the current price on the USB lightning cable. If they were all about being nice for the fun of it then it wouldn't cost 30 bucks..

There was no lost lawsuit.

 

[Ronnoco]

Bendable large phones made of aluminum and/or plastic...who'd a thunk. LOL
Who puts a $700 phone in their back pocket? Good Lord! LOL

 

[gijoeinla]

I think several photos have been posted in this thread.

(Also -- the word you're looking for is "shills"; although there is certainly lots of shrillness up in here...)

You think? Direct me to them if it's more than a couple. Curious. Shill. Yea this place is loaded up on em. In fact overflowing

 

[richardsonrs]

There was no lost lawsuit.

There most certainly was.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/17/apple-iphone-4-antennagate-lawsuit-settlement/

 

[shady25]

Phones are bending with normal use, WITHOUT being sat on.

Lmao

I'll be sure to let the web know when my phone bends from changing a case, or pulling it from my purse.

 

[cmaier]

There most certainly was.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/17/apple-iphone-4-antennagate-lawsuit-settlement/

That is not a LOST lawsuit. It settled. There's a huge difference. Plaintiffs did not get what they were seeking, so by your definition both sides lost.

And, by the way, this means no judge or jury ever found Apple at fault.

 

[richardsonrs]

That is not a LOST lawsuit. It settled. There's a huge difference. Plaintiffs did not get what they were seeking, so by your definition both sides lost.

And, by the way, this means no judge or jury ever found Apple at fault.

Apple paid out. Just not as much as requested. That is a loss in my opinion. Not losing would be the judge throwing it out. They settled because they knew they would lose. That's a loss.


We go this. Yeah let's settle. Said nobody ever.

 

[cmaier]

Apple paid out. Just not as much as requested. That is a loss in my opinion. Not losing would be the judge throwing it out. They settled because they knew they would lose. That's a loss.

That's hilarious. Apple walked away happy, or they wouldn't have settled.

The judge never got an opportunity to "throw it out" - it never got to the summary judgment stage on the merits.

Apple made a determination that bad press+cost of attorneys was more than just handing out a little cash, so they did what was in their best interest. They didn't "lose." No court or jury ever ruled on anything.

For your information, 99% of civil lawsuits end in settlements. By your logic every defendant "lost" because they didn't spend $20m and 5 years to take it to trial.

 

[rish]

i was just thinking the same thing, this thread is insane. i guess we'd have to go back and see if any antennagate threads were of similar length.

My recollection is that it reached 1900 approx and then the mac rumours team closed it.

 

[Seischthon]

I'm not in anyway associated with apple or android. I love apple products I have the new MacBook pro and a desktop Mac and the iphone 6 plus which I recieved sept 19. Since then I have used my phone the same as my 5s before front and back pocket. I NEVER sit with my iPhone in my back pocket. I always use a case. I took a flight from California to New York recently and I took my phone out of the case for a good wipe down. As I sat my iPhone 6 plus on the table it was bent. I love iPhones and I'll still continue to use them but these new iPhones Bend. It's slight but they do bend!

 

[phpmaven]

How do you still think there was no issue with the antenna? They gave everyone who wanted one a free case for like 3 months and then changed the design for the S version. It was an obvious issue or none of that would have happened.

The only reason Apple did that was because the media outlets made such a big deal out of it. Isn't it amazing how after the initial hoopla over "antenna-gate", that everybody managed to use their phones just fine and you never heard about it again.

But whatever, we are talking about the supposed bending issue now which is complete and total malarky. But the media and others just drool for any negative Apple news that they can find, so if they came make a huge issue from a few who sit on their phones a bend them, they will.

 

[richardsonrs]

That's hilarious. Apple walked away happy, or they wouldn't have settled.

The judge never got an opportunity to "throw it out" - it never got to the summary judgment stage on the merits.

Apple made a determination that bad press+cost of attorneys was more than just handing out a little cash, so they did what was in their best interest. They didn't "lose." No court or jury ever ruled on anything.

For your information, 99% of civil lawsuits end in settlements. By your logic every defendant "lost" because they didn't spend $20m and 5 years to take it to trial.

99% of civil lawsuits don't affect 8-10 million users and don't have the cash Apple has to continue litigation.

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The only reason Apple did that was because the media outlets made such a big deal out of it. Isn't it amazing how after the initial hoopla over "antenna-gate", that everybody managed to use their phones just fine and you never heard about it again.

But whatever, we are talking about the supposed bending issue now which is complete and total malarky. But the media and others just drool for any negative Apple news that they can find, so if they came make a huge issue from a few who sit on their phones a bend them, they will.

Yes everyone got cases on their phones and were no longer touching the sides and BAM problem went away.. SHOCKING!! Clearly no issue..

 

[cmaier]

99% of civil lawsuits don't affect 8-10 million users and don't have the cash Apple has to continue litigation.

That's a nonsequitor.

Listen, I was one of the most vocal Apple critics on here during antenna gate. But stating that Apple "lost a lawsuit" is false, and perpetuating it when you know they didn't lose makes it a lie.

They settled. When you get sued you either win, lose, or settle. You can't pretend that there are only two possibilities just because that would fit your argument better.

 

[Seischthon]

The only reason Apple did that was because the media outlets made such a big deal out of it. Isn't it amazing how after the initial hoopla over "antenna-gate", that everybody managed to use their phones just fine and you never heard about it again.

But whatever, we are talking about the supposed bending issue now which is complete and total malarky. But the media and others just drool for any negative Apple news that they can find, so if they came make a huge issue from a few who sit on their phones a bend them, they will.

I have never sat on my iPhone 6 plus and it has bent. Even if it's a slight bend the phone cost me $1077 it should NOT bend from normal use...

 

[cmaier]

I have never sat on my iPhone 6 plus and it has bent. Even if it's a slight bend the phone cost me $1077 it should NOT bend from normal use...

How did it bend? (and, again, you have only two posts here, which means your statement will be taken with a grain of salt unless you provide some more facts or proof).

 

[Seischthon]

How did it bend? (and, again, you have only two posts here, which means your statement will be taken with a grain of salt unless you provide some more facts or proof).

Honestly It bent on the opposite side of the video posted near the sim tray . The bend is so slight it's hardly noticeable unless you lay it on its face. Then it rocks

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How did it bend? (and, again, you have only two posts here, which means your statement will be taken with a grain of salt unless you provide some more facts or proof).

That's ok . I'm not an avid poster on forums, but I wanted to voice my opinion. I have no reason to lie as I stated. I own only apple products and always will. I didn't believe it bent until my phone bent....