Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

[Max(IT)]

You dumb ****s, you can still bend your phone considering how much you weight and depends on the object you are applying force on. I bent my iPhone 6 and I weight 185 lbs and 5'-11". Considering my ass taking half my weight with normal jeans, that's 92.5 lbs of force. Now consider an average adult weights about 140 lbs to 210 lbs..

So did you sat on it? And blaming Apple for taking a seat on a glass slate?

 

[Bahroo]

Here, people want a in pocket testing of the 6 Plus and real world test of front pocket use?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic5Z1fv58fg

this guy rides his bicycle recording himself, walking around with tight jeans on , doing things, and at the end of the day its perfectly fine

its in Spanish, but I just found this

 

[NovemberWhiskey]

We already know there is a bending problem, the tests and teardowns are simply a means to determine the source and severity of the problem.

If you're going to argue that these 6 pluses aren't bending with normal use, then we have nothing to discuss. I will not abide such pathological denial.

Normal use? Lol. Since when is purposely trying to bend the phone with your thumbs behind the volume buttons, cradling the phone at the edges to leverage torque, supposed to be normal?

Are you still here? Do you even own the phone? So you just go on this forum, spend the entire weekend arguing with people about how the phone bends when people try to bend it?

Its been days, bro. You might want to start reconsidering life decisions at this point.

 

[truettray]

I hate to share this, but I bent my iPh6 tonight... bleh.

 

[subsonix]

We already know there is a bending problem, the tests and teardowns are simply a means to determine the source and severity of the problem.

No we don't, and this is actually how our discussion started, you then linked to the url to prove that there was a problem. I've been trying to tell you all along that the link does not prove it is. So finally we are in agreement of something at least.

If you're going to argue that these 6 pluses aren't bending with normal use, then we have nothing to discuss. I will not abide such pathological denial.

So basically, if I don't agree with you, we have nothing to discuss. Interesting position.. You call it pathological denial, even though the topic of this very thread is the conclusion from Consumer Reports.

 

[Max(IT)]

wao 40/60lb of force less than the iPhone 5. They went from 130 to 90/70

Almost half the strength in the 6.

That's true, but the point of the whole test is: it still is resistant enough for normal use.

 

[calzon65]

I hate to share this, but I bent my iPh6 tonight... bleh.

If you did I hope you report it to Apple because according to them, only 9 people, as of a few days ago and after millions have been sold, have reported bending their phones, so you get to be number 10 ... and I don't believe Apple's number of bent phones reported.

 

[rGiskard]

I the problem is not that it got thinner but it's the absence of structural ribbing inside. Why ribbed tin cans don't bend, yet they are so incredibly thin? <- rhetorical question.

Lack of structural ribbing, and also the rounded sides. Straight sides provide considerably more structural rigidity.

I mentioned a few days ago that it would have been enough to use continuous steel plates up each side of the phone, but another commenter mentioned that the discontinuous reinforcing plate design is probably needed to avoid the creation of an inductive loop. I don't know enough about antenna design to comment on that, but it seems reasonable enough. Also a window into the engineering challenges of the device, having to fulfill both structural and signal parameters.

 

[calzon65]

That's true, but the point of the whole test is: it still is resistant enough for normal use.

Until we have several million of these phones being used for at least a few months in the "real world" we will never know if the new iPhone 6/6+ is "resistant enough for normal use".

 

[Max(IT)]

I already posited in one of my previous posts that it was most likely me sitting down with the phone in my front pocket. I am taking the blame here for sitting down - which I did several times during the course of the four days. I keep my phone in my front pocket. Always have.

It's all good, I seem to be the lucky one who has a bent phone, and it will be resolved tomorrow. If I am full of it then this story will disappear - although Slashdot has run it this morning so whether you like it or not it doesn't seem to be going away.

It most likely was you sitting ON it... By the way good luck with your replacement

 

[rGiskard]

No we don't, and this is actually how our discussion started, you then linked to the url to prove that there was a problem. I've been trying to tell you all along that the link does not prove it is. So finally we are in agreement of something at least.



So basically, if I don't agree with you, we have nothing to discuss. Interesting position.. You call it pathological denial, even though the topic of this very thread is the conclusion from Consumer Reports.

Mother of God, have you payed attentional at all!? The link isn't proof of the problem, it's a hypothesis of why the problem exists. The proof of the problem is all the people with bent phones!

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I hate to share this, but I bent my iPh6 tonight... bleh.

How did it happen?

 

[Max(IT)]

Exactly. The actual real world testing process is currently in progress. If the bending stays at a miniscule number, end of drama. If large numbers of bent phones turn up in the next few months, the drama is just beginning.

The drama would be for Apple, replacing millions of phones.

 

[rGiskard]

Normal use? Lol. Since when is purposely trying to bend the phone with your thumbs behind the volume buttons, cradling the phone at the edges to leverage torque, supposed to be normal?

Are you still here? Do you even own the phone? So you just go on this forum, spend the entire weekend arguing with people about how the phone bends when people try to bend it?

Its been days, bro. You might want to start reconsidering life decisions at this point.

Speak for yourself, bro. You've been here every time I checked in.

 

[calzon65]

Mother of God, have you payed attentional at all!? The link isn't proof of the problem, it's a hypothesis of why the problem exists. The proof of the problem is all the people with bent phones!

You are correct, but according to Apple only 9 people have complained. Let's see what happens in a month or two with millions of these phones in the hands of average users, not hypothetical engineers in a lab. I have a feeling this number is really going to climb fast.

 

[Max(IT)]

THEY DID NO SUCH THING,


INVALID and INCOMPLETE TEST



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Weakspot theory shows Bendgate’s not quite dead yet

Luke Dormehl (11:26 am PDT, Sep 26th)


http://www.cultofmac.com/297938/weakspot-theory-shows-bendgates-quite-dead-yet/





As alleras4 writes:

“It’s not about how much force must be applied and if a pocket will do the trick or not. It’s just that under a particular type of flexing, the phone is prone to bend mainly because a metal insert meant to reinforce instead spins in an axis too close to the critical point. If they were further apart allowing better support to counter the flexing and not [spinning], it would make it more resistant.”

The idea explains why Apple’s stress-testing techniques failed to discover the alleged fault, since unlike Unbox Therapy’s manual approach to bending, Apple applied equal force across the phone’s entire profile, rather than one side which was what was necessary to start the bending process.





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LAB TESTING typically only covers a SMALL PART of real world stress

They didn't also put it in a microwave oven. So your point is?
During normal usage a normal people won't push a single point with two thumbs while pulling both edges with two hands....

That kind of test is pointless

 

[subsonix]

Mother of God, have you payed attentional at all!? The link isn't proof of the problem, it's a hypothesis of why the problem exists. The proof of the problem is all the people with bent phones!

You're funny. The hypothesis is based on the YouTube clip where a guy busts a phone with his hands. It's therefor not a hypothesis of why a problem exists, since what is done in the test most definitely is not normal use.

 

[Max(IT)]

That is one man's hypothesis, and by his OWN ADMISSION, he is purely basing his HYPOTHESIS off of pictures. He has NOT handled the phone, or inspected the chassis first hand. He even admits he is guessing at diagrams A & B, and I am still unclear by what his point is regarding those points.

I can see how the breaks in the reinforcements could be a weak point, BUT, those breaks repeat along the longitudinal edges of the phone.

MOST INTERESTING: there is the same break near the middle of the phone where both Apple and Consumer reports applied their force (a force applied with a thin bar with 90 degree edges, which is much more likely to bend compared to a soft thumb).

IF the breaks in the reinforcements are the cause, the Apple and CR tests would much more likely cause a bend in the middle of the phone as well.

This "online investigation" should NOT be given more credence than the scientific and objective testing two REPUTABLE companies have done. You are taking the word of one man who stands to profit from his bend videos, and one man's own ADMITTED speculation.

Stop being ridiculous. Is it possible his theory is right? Possibly, but at least some portions are poorly explained, and it is in no way verified to be dispositive (even by his own admission).

Remember how reddit thought they found the Boston Marathon bombers through their "online investigation"? Yeah. Stop.

It is a theory at this point. Nothing else.

You are right but they are not even going to read your post, unless you make a video ripping an iPhone apart. Then you'll be their personal hero

 

[Bahroo]

this guy puts it through the paces, seems alright

 

[z chamber]

Hello insane forum thread.

Does this story count as the 10th replacement so far?

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/photos-seattle-developer-says-new-iphone-6-bent-real-reason/

 

[doelcm82]

The proof of the problem is all the people with bent phones!

Actually that's the only thing that matters. That, and that the people with bent iPhones take them back to Apple and demand replacement or refund.

No one on this forum can do anything for the owner of a bent phone. Apple can, and if enough people demand that Apple do something for the people whose phones are bent (I'm not asking them to do anything for me, because despite carrying my iPhone 6+ around in my front pocket, mine is not bent at all), then Apple will be able to tell in what numbers their product is failing in real life.

Whether Apple does anything towards fixing their design depends on how many returns they get, not on how many posts a MacRumors thread gets or how many views a YouTube video gets. It could also depend on the the serial numbers of those phones. If the bent phones are primarily from certain lots, that may be evidence of bad lots out there.

 

[mojolicious]

Does this story count as the 10th replacement so far?

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/photos-seattle-developer-says-new-iphone-6-bent-real-reason/

There Can Be Only Nine.

I can only think that one of the earlier complaints has been withdrawn.

 

[JTravers]

Will be interesting to see how this plays out over time. Will it die down like Antenna-gate, or will videos of bending phones keep appearing on YouTube

 

[Keirasplace]

The teardowns should have had revealed this internal structure
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But they didn't!

Listen careful Apple! Every engineer student can tell you that.

I'm just tired of hearing your crud... Go to MIT and peddle your crap there cause I'm sure they'll be interested. Maybe they'll even call their palls working at Apple so you can visit their facility and teach them something... (sic)

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You are correct, but according to Apple only 9 people have complained. Let's see what happens in a month or two with millions of these phones in the hands of average users, not hypothetical engineers in a lab. I have a feeling this number is really going to climb fast.

Yes... Feeling.. Foo reality and science... Its all in the guts, the loins and the heart now.... (sic). Guess they should build bridges and airplanes on instinct since that seemingly trumps everything.

 

[scaredpoet]

Hello insane forum thread.

Does this story count as the 10th replacement so far?

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/photos-seattle-developer-says-new-iphone-6-bent-real-reason/

"“I plugged the phone in to charge overnight, and nothing was amiss,” Latiolais tells GeekWire. “I’d been taking a lot of photos and was so paranoid about hurting my brand new phone that I kept it in my coat pocket or hand all night. When I got home, I propped the phone against the wall to charge overnight. When I pulled it off the charger in the morning, it was bent along the angle it leaned on the wall. It’s almost as if it sagged. In fact, looking closely at it … I can see it’s not so much bent as curved, rounded almost.”"

So my question: Who charges their phone like this?

Sorry, story smells fishy.

 

[cmaier]

"“I plugged the phone in to charge overnight, and nothing was amiss,” Latiolais tells GeekWire. “I’d been taking a lot of photos and was so paranoid about hurting my brand new phone that I kept it in my coat pocket or hand all night. When I got home, I propped the phone against the wall to charge overnight. When I pulled it off the charger in the morning, it was bent along the angle it leaned on the wall. It’s almost as if it sagged. In fact, looking closely at it … I can see it’s not so much bent as curved, rounded almost.”"

So my question: Who charges their phone like this?

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Sorry, story smells fishy.

Yeah, now it bends from its own weight.

I blame Obama.