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Just devil's advocate, but I bet a Ferrari suffers more damage in a 5 MPH wreck than a Nissan. Does that mean Ferrari engineers failed their task?

Aero dynamics vs a metal engineer has nothing in common lol unless they put the iphone6 to fly lol.
 
But you can't bend the M8 by hand and it doesn't bend in your pocket, much more important to the owner than the result of the CR test. :)

Do you actually believe the iPhone bends from just being in your pocket? If so, you are a sad case of unreality news disorder.
 
Dear iPhone 6 buyer,

May the force be with you and protect your device from bending! Personally, I would not consider "upgrading". The iPhone 6 did not bring any of the features everybody was expecting: it is NOT waterproof, it doesn't have a better camera than the 5S and the processor is not much faster (the fact that the semiconductor size is smaller doesn't really interest me).
The design is not significantly changed, as you can see if you take a look at the two side by side (ok, I saw just these 3D models, but they seem pretty accurate).
Why get an iPhone 6 when you can buy a 5S now and take advantage of the fact that its price went down? The price-quality ratio is much better for the 5S, in my humble opinion.

The battery usage is hugely better, so moving the cpu down means a lot.. I know people with the phone and they are really thrilled with the battery usage.. So I disagree.. Camera is probably similar, but the per pixel focus is very good and the reviews very favorable.. To each his own.. For me, the price of the phone is trump change, even at full retail.. This isn't the case for everyone of course..
 
Dear iPhone 6 buyer,

May the force be with you and protect your device from bending! Personally, I would not consider "upgrading". The iPhone 6 did not bring any of the features everybody was expecting: it is NOT waterproof, it doesn't have a better camera than the 5S and the processor is not much faster (the fact that the semiconductor size is smaller doesn't really interest me).
The design is not significantly changed, as you can see if you take a look at the two side by side (ok, I saw just these 3D models, but they seem pretty accurate).
Why get an iPhone 6 when you can buy a 5S now and take advantage of the fact that its price went down? The price-quality ratio is much better for the 5S, in my humble opinion.


Who is "everybody"? I read all the usual Apple and tech related sites daily. I don't recall any consensus on "waterproof" being an expected feature, and hard for one to do, especially when the case shells started appearing.

Anyway, your opinion is your opinion. You have every right to it. But for me, I'm heartily enjoying my 6. Even though I had no desire for a 4.7" screen I like it because the thinness of the device makes it no less of a burden to carry around in my pocket than my previous 5. If you want to save $100 with the 5S, that's why Apple still sells it. Enjoy. But I disagree with your analysis of the price:quality ratio. Battery life and additional screen real estate alone is enough to justify the extra $100... in my humble opinion.
 
Who is "everybody"? I read all the usual Apple and tech related sites daily. I don't recall any consensus on "waterproof" being an expected feature, and hard for one to do, especially when the case shells started appearing.

Anyway, your opinion is your opinion. You have every right to it. But for me, I'm heartily enjoying my 6. Even though I had no desire for a 4.7" screen I like it because the thinness of the device makes it no less of a burden to carry around in my pocket. If you want to save $100 with the 5S, that's why Apple still sells it. Enjoy. But I disagree with your analysis of the price:quality ratio. Battery life and additional screen real estate alone is enough to justify the extra $100... in my humble opinion.

You'll find that most people in this thread criticizing the 6 don't own one.
 
This test speaks very, very poorly for Consumer Reports and what they are suppose to represent.

We don’t want a test at the strongest point of the phone. We want to know how they hold up at the very weakest areas where a phone will actually bend during normal use.

Normal use in a pocket would never isolate forces to a single area of the frame without support underneath. If you put the phone in your front pocket, the fabric distributes force across the entire width of the frame and your leg provides support to the frame underneath. If you put the phone in your back pocket, your butt distributes force across the majority of the frame and what you're sitting on provides support underneath the frame.

In other words, the three point test that CR did is a worst case scenario. You're not going to be able to generate 70-90 lbs of isolated, unsupported force in your pants pocket.
 
The worst part is that the vast majority of all of you don't really have the background required to give an intelligent FACT based debate (again excluding those with engineering background or similar).

Havent you heard? To be a qualified engineer on Macrumors all you need is a computer and internet access. Now I don't see discussing even some of the engineering aspects is perfectly fine. But when they start using bendboy Youtube videos as proof, its a sure fire way to find out they don't know engineering in the slightest.

Nah. For me, it's usually quite useful to know whether the one Im discussing with has any experience or experience in the field we're discussing. When people here say they are mechanical engineers, I listen to their claims a bit more when they discuss the technicalities of the iPhone (with good reason, I would say). In my case, its not about my "advanced degrees", but rather that I've actually been working with questions relating to the scientific status of claims for a rather long time. This actually lends some credibility to my claim in this specific area. I would never (and have never) bring up my education in areas where it's not relevant (my education doesn't give me any special insight into the technical parts of this discussion, for example).

While I've been an engineer for twenty years, its mostly along the lines of mechanical engineering field. It honestly would not necessarily help me in the structural engineering or testing procedures in the consumer electronics field.
 
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Samsung's latest Apple-bashing ad :D

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can't. believe. how long. this stupid. topic. drawn out. ugh.

What I can't believe is the ones that want to keep stroking their "Apple screwed the pooch boners" when all we have outside of the 9 or so reported issues is a handful of unsubstantiated claims so far. I'm not saying anyone is lying, but until Apple looks into it, they remain unsubstantiated claims.

It's too soon to tell if this is a big problem, a small problem or no problem. If it is in fact a legitimate problem, how many devices are affected? Is it a small few or a lot? There is so much that we don't know.

No device is indestructible. We do however expect our phones to withstand the rigours of day to day use.

As I've said, I'm neither pro-Apple or anti-Apple on this. I'm pro-common sense. Yes, I know, I know...Common sense has no place on the internet
 
No. I typed it without thinking

You feel good, champ?

It does not matter if I feel good or not. This thread is about the structural quailty of the new iPhones. There may be many reasons, why people have no iPhone 6 / 6 plus right now. The fact that you have one has nothing to do with the topic and I highly doubt that you know more about this than other people who are discussing about possible bending issues.
 
It does not matter if I feel good or not. This thread is about the structural quailty of the new iPhones. There may be many reasons, why people have no iPhone 6 / 6 plus right now. The fact that you have one has nothing to do with the topic and I highly doubt that you know more about this than other people who are discussing about possible bending issues.

Of course it does. How can you declare design flaws and structural problems when you probably haven't seen one let alone own one? I don't mean you specifically, I'm talking general

If you say "because look at the youtube videos", how can you just assert that because some peoples phones bent that it's a widespread design flaw?

I don't know more about it than others, you're right. That's why I'm not declaring that the sky is falling because some guy on YouTube forcibly bent a bunch of iPhones.
 
This test speaks very, very poorly for Consumer Reports and what they are suppose to represent.

We don’t want a test at the strongest point of the phone. We want to know how they hold up at the very weakest areas where a phone will actually bend during normal use.

And one other thing, as long as phone makers replace bent phone in the first 2 years of normal use then this issue simply goes away. I think Consumer Reports will have to conduct a real world test and right away.

The information that they failed to bring into account is the specific weak point on the iPhone 6 Plus – this is where almost everyone’s iPhone has bent. This test, however, measures the overall structural integrity, and completely ignores the previously identified weak point. Though, to be honest, I have no idea why they didn’t address the weak point, considering they referenced the one main video, and that guy verbally comments on it in his video. I don’t know how you can reference a video, choose to challenge the observations in that video, then completely ignore the actual data in favor of your own simplified, controlled test, and sincerely proclaim that your findings are a valid counter argument.

Again, this is a nice test to see how much pressure it takes to bend phones with equally distributed force, right in the center of each device … but, that wasn’t the original issue. This resolves very little with this problem. Thank you, Consumer Reports, for essentially wasting your time and money on nothing.

I guess we have another qualified engineer here on MacRumors. I constantly see reference to this "Weak Point" not being tested. Initially it could be possible any point on a phone where buttons, phone jacks, USB ports ect would be a weak point penetrating the casing. That includes ALL Phones

At some point we have to add functionality to a phone despite adding "Weak spots".

If we really have to test weak spots on the iPhone, in any comparison tests, we have to test weak spots in all phones.

But I think Consumer Reports has much more experience with 77 years in the testing field then nearly anybody on MacRumors to know the best way to do it.
 
You'll find that most people in this thread criticizing the 6 don't own one.

So you mean if I never owned a cheap crappy plastic Samsung phone that I can't criticize their cheap crap plastic phones? Or is this just a rule for Apple products?

What's odd is everyone seems to be saying that CRs tests vindicate Apple, but the one thing they didn't test was whether the phone was likely to bend in the front pocket of a pair of jeans. I wish they could have figured out a way to test the amount of force a phone is under while in a pocket. I honestly have no idea how much stress my iPhone 5 is currently under in my front pocket. I'm not wearing skinny jeans, but I know that there have been times when I had to adjust my phone after sitting because the pressure was awkward. At this point all I really know is the 6 is about half as durable as my 5...
 
So you mean if I never owned a cheap crappy plastic Samsung phone that I can't criticize their cheap crap plastic phones? Or is this just a rule for Apple products?

You can criticize whatever you want. If you expect people to take you seriously when you have zero experience with the product you're criticizing that's another story.

What's odd is everyone seems to be saying that CRs tests vindicate Apple, but the one thing they didn't test was whether the phone was likely to bend in the front pocket of a pair of jeans. I wish they could have figured out a way to test the amount of force a phone is under while in a pocket. I honestly have no idea how much stress my iPhone 5 is currently under in my front pocket. I'm not wearing skinny jeans, but I know that there have been times when I had to adjust my phone after sitting because the pressure was awkward. At this point all I really know is the 6 is about half as durable as my 5...

Square trade tested in a person's pocket. In fact on their test they referenced the macrumors user who said his bent in his pocket. The phone they tested didn't bend. Again, this does not mean that people are lying. Their phones very well could have bent. But to say this is a widespread design flaw is silly and couple that with the fact that the people running around with the loudest voices either don't have one or have one and don't have the bending problem and this whole thing becomes a joke.
 
I love the posts praising CR in this thread. When they praise or write positive things about Apple, they are relevant and "legit." When they don't - they are a publication no one reads or cares about.

Too funny.
 
Nah. For me, it's usually quite useful to know whether the one Im discussing with has any experience or experience in the field we're discussing. When people here say they are mechanical engineers, I listen to their claims a bit more when they discuss the technicalities of the iPhone (with good reason, I would say). In my case, its not about my "advanced degrees", but rather that I've actually been working with questions relating to the scientific status of claims for a rather long time. This actually lends some credibility to my claim in this specific area. I would never (and have never) bring up my education in areas where it's not relevant (my education doesn't give me any special insight into the technical parts of this discussion, for example).

Ok then. I have a JD, and electrical engineering PhD and MS. And social science isn't a science. I have spoken.
 
I love the posts praising CR in this thread. When they praise or write positive things about Apple, they are relevant and "legit." When they don't - they are a publication no one reads or cares about.

Too funny.

When they affirm antennagate they are great, when they don't affirm bendgate, their testing is flawed

Too funny.

(Of course it's not the same people saying these things, but if you admitted that your generalization wouldn't work. Come on, man you're better than this crap)
 
Of course it does. How can you declare design flaws and structural problems when you probably haven't seen one let alone own one? I don't mean you specifically, I'm talking general

If you say "because look at the youtube videos", how can you just assert that because some peoples phones bent that it's a widespread design flaw?

I don't know more about it than others, you're right. That's why I'm not declaring that the sky is falling because some guy on YouTube forcibly bent a bunch of iPhones.

I am not an Apple promotor nor an Apple hater. I own a few devices from them and use them. Plus, I am very interested in the 6 or 6s, thus I want to update from my current 5 within one year.

I also don't rely on youtube videos. However, there are facts which are simply given ( like the needed bending force to damage the 6 ) which I would not value as "improvement". I'm here to learn more about the phone and it would not help me to own one beside I could see if I did bend it or not.

People are discussing about sitting on it and wearing it in front pockets. I have been actively involved in building my house in the last year and of course needed my phone also. Trust me, my iPhone 5 does not look very good after that. Phones are with the people and need to withstand a lot of things. This is just normal.
 
When they affirm antennagate they are great, when they don't affirm bendgate, their testing is flawed

Too funny.

(Of course it's not the same people saying these things, but if you admitted that your generalization wouldn't work. Come on, man you're better than this crap)

Never said they were the same people. I just find it amusing. "man"
 
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