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Consumer Reports Reverses Course, Recommends MacBook Pro Following New Testing After Apple Bug Fix
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Interesting, I wasn't aware of the Ars test, thanks. It's probably case closed then.
Then do give it more RAM. And battery. And trim less mm's, if any. The MBP supposedly is built for performance, not to stretch the physical boundaries of device thinness. That's what the MacBook is for.
Regarding Kaby: manufacturers do have early access to CPU releases. It wasn't too long ago that Apple had chips before other manufacturers. Even their own employees agreed to the dreadfully long wait, and now agree with the underwhelming configuration of the latest MBPs. If Dell can announce a configuration with i7-7700HQ and 4K display merely 2 months after Apple's event, why can't Apple? It's not like we haven't already waited for years. Please don't digress by saying "then get a Dell", believe me, I'm not spending time in these forums because I ever want to use a windows laptop again.
Priorities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pricewise, consider yourself lucky. In EU and UK, prices are laughably off the charts.
TB3 and USB-C is just not there yet. As for 5K, I don't know about other studios/employers, mine at least isn't willing to refresh their inventory for a controversial set of MacBookPros and LG's amazing ugly duckling. By the time TB3 is a thing, we'll need a new batch of MBPs, which I hope will have matured nicely by then.
Ports, you said. It's not just the USB-A, and let me repeat myself that the 15" MBP is not for "most people". The lack of HDMI and SD isn't making anybody's life better and they're not legacy ports by any stretch of the imagination. Also, long live MagSafe.
There is progress and there is too much progress and then there is arrogance.
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I don't own any Apple stock, so you can strike that off the list of options.
I am also going to preface my statement with the declaration that I am not in the market for a new Mac anytime soon, so I can't put my money where my mouth is. But everything I am going to say is my honest two cents.
In a nutshell, with this device, I see the future of computing. The MacBook Pro offers impressive power in a small and thin package which can then tether to an ultra-powerful rig when needed.
All this is possible only with USB C (not even thunderbolt offered such versatility), and Apple at least has the strength of their conviction to go "I believe that USB C is the future. I am going to remove every other port from my laptops so as to force the hands of manufacturers and consumers out there."
This is classic Apple. The Apple that dared to block flash and remove the cd drive and (with the MacBook Air) tell me "I believe that this one feature is more important than all those other features combined."
You are absolutely right. The MacBook Pro design is (for the moment at least) incomplete and arrogant and that's precisely the Apple that earned my respect and my admiration enough to make me willing to throw in my lot with in the first place.
It's essentially the classic short-term pain for long-term gain scenario. Using adaptors or switching cables now will suck. I am not even going to pretend that it isn't an issue. But I see a very bright future for thunderbolt 3 and eagerly await the potential it unlocks.
And if the price of that is MagSafe, USB A, HDMI, then I say - Good riddance.
With all due respect, your two cents are irrelevant since you admittedly have no stake or need for a new workstation and simply theorise with abandon.
This isn't "classic Apple" either. Floppy, CD-ROM etc were already legacy tech when removed from the Pro line. When Apple introduced firewire or thunderbolt they did not remove everything else and claim "Whatevs, this the future". The MacBook Air is the equivalent of the retina MacBook, simply a stunt to wow with thinness, which matured into one of Apple's best laptops. Maybe the 2016 MBP matures into something better too. Until then, criticism is given where criticism is due.
I don't see what's there to respect and admire. The whole announcement and product itself has been cringeworthy to boot.
Now, THAT is arrogance.
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No offence taken.
I will eventually upgrade to another Mac (currently using a 2011 iMac and 2012 MBA and both are still going strong), just not today or in the near foreseeable future. With any luck, I should be able to ride out this rough transition and the USB-C scene will have matured and stabilised by the time I am in the market for a new Mac.
In the meanwhile, I am starting to take baby steps to prepare for this. For example, I recent bought the Samsung T3 SSD drive (which uses a detachable USB-C to USB-A cable). So in the future, I will be able to swap in a USB-C cable and my drive will still remain compatible with future laptops. Likewise, any thumb drives I buy in the future will be compatible with both USB-A and C.
Then explain all the howling and criticism Apple got when they removed those tech.
Thunderbolt replaced the VGA, HDMI and DVI ports (you could use an adaptor to replicate any of the three).
The problem here, IMO, is that some people who prefer to fixate on obstacles see only one aspect of the change rather than how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal. For instance, the dropping of media drives would help spur the popularity of cloud storage as a medium for storing and transferring documents, which in turn does away with the need to pass files around using physical storage media.
Give criticism where it is due, but do not let the fact that change takes time to cause those of us that know the limitations of something new to dig our heels in. Do not just see the challenges in changing and use those challenges to anchor criticism and resist change.
Steve Job's showboating will be missed. That said, the MacBook Pro strikes me as a product he absolutely would endorse.
No one technology is the centre of a system. You can't usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current world order.
And there is incessant complaining by people like you. Even to the point of complaining they didn't use chips that don't exist!!
Boy. Next you will be complaining they didn't have a time machine to go forwards and get those chips and bring them back just so you could complain some more that Kabylake didn't bring much improvement.
Too much progress- complain
Too little progress- cry like a baby.
Just get over it man.
Since when has the MacBook Pro ever been in the workstation class? It's always been a balanced machine. Power and portability. The G4 PowerBook was the first to reach "1 inch thin". The thickness and weight was a major selling point.
Your grasp of Apple history is poor and seemingly rewritten to suit your own complaining agenda. The iMac ditched all "legacy" ports when it introduced USB.
Having lived with a MacBook rev 1 I can say that living with USBc , even a year ago wasn't hard. If you end up with a machine that's got 4 USBC ports you will be able to connect to ANYTHING you need.
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Received my new MBP 3 days back. For the first day I did some benchmarking and data transfer. The battery lasted 2:45 - 3:15 hours on a full charge.
I thought it might just be the initial high usage as some members have reported that initially to build spotlight indexes and take full backup, power utilisation is higher but still I have to charge every 3-4 hours. The MBP came with 10.12.2 and I am not just using Safari for browsing.
I typically run a few VMs in the background and have lightroom/photoshop open often which means graphics switches to 460 most of the time. I also have several websites open with mail and other office apps.
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What do you mean by good battery life? How long between recharges and how actively do you use your computer? I am a power user and my 3 day old 15" MBP needs to be recharged every 3 hours or so. I am using my new MBP the same way as I did my 2011 MBP.
I thought it might just be the initial high usage as some members have reported that initially to build spotlight indexes and take full backup, power utilisation is higher but still I have to charge every 3-4 hours. The MBP came with 10.12.2 and I am not just using Safari for browsing.
I typically run a few VMs in the background and have lightroom/photoshop open often which means graphics switches to 460 most of the time. I also have several websites open with mail and other office apps.
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What do you mean by good battery life? How long between recharges and how actively do you use your computer? I am a power user and my 3 day old 15" MBP needs to be recharged every 3 hours or so. I am using my new MBP the same way as I did my 2011 MBP.
He was saying that Apple had to pay CR to get them to change the recommendation. Hence "I wonder how much that cost Apple!".
Did they fix the adaptors issues as well??
This Macbook is the worst design Apple made in years...
No Mag-Safe, no Usb-SD-HDMI ports, NO expandability, not able to connect your own iPhone-Ipad???
Any comments on that Consumer Reports?
or is it Consumer "paid " reports...??
Article Link: Consumer Reports Reverses Course, Recommends MacBook Pro Following New Testing After Apple Bug Fix[/QUOTE]
This Macbook is the worst design Apple made in years...
No Mag-Safe, no Usb-SD-HDMI ports, NO expandability, not able to connect your own iPhone-Ipad???
Any comments on that Consumer Reports?
or is it Consumer "paid " reports...??
Article Link: Consumer Reports Reverses Course, Recommends MacBook Pro Following New Testing After Apple Bug Fix[/QUOTE]
Wow that's bad
My 2015 MacBook Pro retina 13 inch lasts as good as advertised. I did think about upgrading but those kind of times are just awful for the price.
And he likely meant it facetiously. I chose to feign ignorance. Sorry if you missed that nuance.
You're completely right, I don't know what the hell I was thinking about when I wrote that. We all have our weak moments, right? Lol...
The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetically stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a heahphone jack. Here's a laptop with only USB C ports.
You can do all of the stuff you just mentioned above. Nothing's stopping you from getting a USB C to Lightning cable, for instance.
It's been a while since I visited this thread. I am even more glad now that I bought a 2015 13" rMBP. These 2016's are, in my opinion, too radical a step even for Apple and one that, again this is only my opinion, wasn't well thought out.
I have never seen as many negative comments on a new release.
For folks trying to make a decision, I don't not envy you that task.
I have never seen as many negative comments on a new release.
For folks trying to make a decision, I don't not envy you that task.