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I'm not sure they do, but my confusion lies with the fact that it could be misinterpreted in that way. "it doesn't tell the story for chrome users" doesn't say "but they still haven't done anything for Chrome users".
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You've misunderstood my statement.
Apples software isn't up to scratch in (terms of reliability, as that was the issue with the tests and other 2016 MBP issues)
I never said Chrome was Apples issue. It's Googles, I can't think of someone on this forum that wouldn't know that. If you look closely there is a period separating "Apples software really isn't up to scratch anymore." and "At least this is fixed now but it doesn't tell the story for Chrome users."


Well half this forum read it the same way, so maybe you should consider something called context.

And again, I completely disagree with you. reliability on every OS of Apples I own is rock solid. Can't say that for other OS's I own. Software has glitches, name one software manufacturer that acknowledges and fixes issues faster than Apple.
 
From all the comments here and elsewhere CR was in an unwinnable position. If they helped Apple before going to press they would have been branded as biased, influenced, or open to corporate influence. If they altered their standard tests just because Apple had a bug then they would be favoring Apple by changing the test just for them. By publishing their results they were accused of targeting Apple and had their testing methodology questioned by people who really don't understand what's being tested. By re-testing they're now subject to being called unprofessional, useless, etc.

That's the problem these days with journalism. People only want journalism that supports their presuppositions and bias. Anything else is an outright attack on their identity and can't be tolerated. People, and reports clearly indicate millennials as being especially so, are trusting rather blindly in anonymous reviews that are largely sponsored by the companies or are even offered for sale. https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...ports-in-the-age-of-the-amazon-review/477108/

Many of the consumer protections we enjoy today originated from the unbiased reporting of Consumer Reports. They're not perfect but I admire their stance of neutrality when everyone else seems to have an agenda to sway you to either 1) convince you to purchase because they were given a discounted/free device, 2) click on their buy-through links (if you have bad reviews people won't click through, eh?), or 3) convince you to buy something else because the review was a negative review purchased by a company.

Sad state of affairs. People love throwing out the "fake news" thing now. People should be equally concerned about fake reviews, bought reviews, influenced reviews, and other things from people with vested financial interest.
 
Well half this forum read it the same way, so maybe you should consider something called context.

And again, I completely disagree with you. reliability on every OS of Apples I own is rock solid. Can't say that for other OS's I own. Software has glitches, name one software manufacturer that acknowledges and fixes issues faster than Apple.
I've already edited the original post, and I think it's pretty clear anyway (unless "tells the story for" means "solve the issues for" to supposedly half of the forum). Anyway, it's a post on a forum that was misunderstood by some. Big deal.

As for software, I agree with you - I wasn't comparing it to other OS's but rather their previous releases and QC. Having said that, the issues with the latest MacBook Pros are not something that would be found on a well built Windows notebook. Or maybe they would, but these issues get more coverage due to the scale and brand, but I've had Windows laptops that don't have those sorts of issues in the first few months.
 
Apples software really isn't up to scratch anymore. At least this is fixed now but it doesn't tell the story for Chrome users.

For those who got confused by this ^, here's what it does NOT say:
"at least this is fixed now but Apple haven't fixed Chrome"

Here's what it DOES say:
"at least this is fixed now, but it [the report] doesn't tell the story for Chrome users"
What are you blathering about?

CR said they got consistently good results with Chrome the last time; so what is ther to be fixed?
 
Wonder how much that cost Apple!
Bash Apple, TWENTY-SEVEN "Likes".

Defend Apple, or even try to explain something, get SINGLE-DIGIT "Likes".

Something's rotten in MR.
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As expected. If battery life is poor, clearly there is a hard flaw. But to have inconsistent battery life is indicating of issues easily fixable. Like Apple did.

Time to see consumers reporting better battery life.
You mean all the LYING Haters?
 
Stop the presses!

Consumer Reports is largely irrelevant and I'm not sure anyone cares what they think. Their proclamation that they "can now recommend Macbook Pro!" sounds like it comes straight from the mid 1990s. I could express excitement that they forced Apple to fix a bug in Safari, but it turns out no one would have ever experienced that particular bug.
 
With the reply they gave to Consumer Reports, and they're lack of care for the Mac, they deserved it.
Go away, Hater. You are not offering anything constructive. You're just spewing Hate.
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mine still lasts 3.
Prove it.
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Riiiiiiiiight........:rolleyes: money talks, ******** walks.
So why are you still here? Shouldn't you be walking?
 
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"The 13-inch model without a Touch Bar had an average battery life of 18.75 hours, the 13-inch model with a Touch Bar lasted for 15.25 hours on average, and the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar had an average battery life of 17.25 hours."

They are some massive numbers right there.
 
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"The 13-inch model without a Touch Bar had an average battery life of 18.75 hours, the 13-inch model with a Touch Bar lasted for 15.25 hours on average, and the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar had an average battery life of 17.25 hours."

So wait, Consumer Reports is now saying the 15" gets 7 hrs more than what Apple is quoting. 10 hrs plus 7 more hrs? There is no way. They have now padded the numbers way off the charts that is not even reasonable. What did they do just plug it in and start the clock with nothing running? They just lost all credibility. These are not honest figures.
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While some may prefer speculation, I actually have the 15" and battery life has been very good.
I agree its good I have it too but not 17.25 hrs.
Consumer Reports = Fake News.
 
From all the comments here and elsewhere CR was in an unwinnable position. If they helped Apple before going to press they would have been branded as biased, influenced, or open to corporate influence. If they altered their standard tests just because Apple had a bug then they would be favoring Apple by changing the test just for them. By publishing their results they were accused of targeting Apple and had their testing methodology questioned by people who really don't understand what's being tested. By re-testing they're now subject to being called unprofessional, useless, etc.

That's the problem these days with journalism. People only want journalism that supports their presuppositions and bias. Anything else is an outright attack on their identity and can't be tolerated. People, and reports clearly indicate millennials as being especially so, are trusting rather blindly in anonymous reviews that are largely sponsored by the companies or are even offered for sale. https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...ports-in-the-age-of-the-amazon-review/477108/

Many of the consumer protections we enjoy today originated from the unbiased reporting of Consumer Reports. They're not perfect but I admire their stance of neutrality when everyone else seems to have an agenda to sway you to either 1) convince you to purchase because they were given a discounted/free device, 2) click on their buy-through links (if you have bad reviews people won't click through, eh?), or 3) convince you to buy something else because the review was a negative review purchased by a company.

Sad state of affairs. People love throwing out the "fake news" thing now. People should be equally concerned about fake reviews, bought reviews, influenced reviews, and other things from people with vested financial interest.

Nobody in their right mind said that CR Should have changed their methodology. In fact, I posted several times that, given their methodology, which was basically both fair and reasonable, they basically had no choice but to disable browser caching.

HOWEVER, where they went off the rails was, when they received WILDLY disparate results, and when those WILDLY disparate results CLEARLY suggested (even to CR), that Safari was somehow involved, BEFORE PUBLICATION, they should have asked Apple if they were aware of the problem. THEN, if Apple said "News to us." Then they could have simply published their results, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT APPLE WASN'T CONCERNED, and had a clear journalistic conscience.

HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. They published their review, THEN sat back.

THAT was journalistically and scientifically reprehensible. PERIOD.
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How many legs were broken for this to happen? This is a really dirty move for both of them.
In what way does this contribute anything but rancor to the discussion.

Grow up, Hater.
 
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CR: Testing ...
CR: 2 hours. Way too short (reports)
AP: 2 = 5
CR: Testing, using NEW battery measures of 2 = 5 ...
CR: 2, I mean, .. 5. Just like they promised (reports)
AP: Thanks for understanding.
 
Bash Apple, TWENTY-SEVEN "Likes".

Defend Apple, or even try to explain something, get SINGLE-DIGIT "Likes".

Something's rotten in MR.
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You mean all the LYING Haters?

This is not unique to Macrumors or indeed Apple. Expectations and therefore criticism of the major IT brands is running red hot wherever you go. I read tech sites like Extremetech and Anandtech and the criticism of Microsoft and Windows 10 I see there is even more vitriolic than anything on here.

As they've grown and become increasingly powerful there seems to also be a trend towards increasing isolation and disengagement with users from these global tech brands.
 
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As someone in software development, what did Apple fix? Disabling cache causes the website to pull a new content/assets from a server. CR intentionally did this. What did Apple do, disable the disable cache? Or was it that by disabling cache, the page auto -reloaded few times a minute?

While I do understand why the results were inconsistent, I do not understand what Apple did to fix the issue.
 
I would love to know how they got those numbers.
Was the screen brightness on 1 and just refreshing google's homepage.
 
The haters will still hate. This is far and away the best Mac ever made. I've owned tons of them and this is definitely the best. I'm on my Mac all day as a programmer.
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I would love to know how they got those numbers.
Was the screen brightness on 1 and just refreshing google's homepage.
Read their report.
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As someone in software development, what did Apple fix? Disabling cache causes the website to pull a new content/assets from a server. CR intentionally did this. What did Apple do, disable the disable cache? Or was it that by disabling cache, the page auto -reloaded few times a minute?

While I do understand why the results were inconsistent, I do not understand what Apple did to fix the issue.

A bug was triggered when the browser was in the no cached state. Apple fixed that bug. The bug could be virtually anything. You would have to look at their source code to figure out the actual cause.
 
As someone in software development, what did Apple fix? Disabling cache causes the website to pull a new content/assets from a server. CR intentionally did this. What did Apple do, disable the disable cache? Or was it that by disabling cache, the page auto -reloaded few times a minute?

While I do understand why the results were inconsistent, I do not understand what Apple did to fix the issue.

Even more interesting is getting battery life times of 12, 14, 16, 18 1/2, and 19 1/2 hours in some trials under a test procedure that's much more rigorous than Apple's, where Apple's published spec was up to 10 hours of battery lifetime.

Makes me wonder if CR actually did any kind of observation, monitoring, and supervision in their test protocols.

This is why some, more likely engineers, have little respect for CR's test procedures.
 
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