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Where are the lines of all these unhappy people returning their iPhone 4’s that don’t work because they’re touching a certain spot or holding it the wrong way?

Unlikely to see that, there was no specific handset return event day, as opposed to a launch day.

Maybe Apple could have organised a return event where they un-high five you as you walk out.
 
Seriously. I wanted to get another one and Apple Online is telling me at least 3 weeks until I can get one. WTH.

This on top of the fact that lots of people are holding off to get a white one. The demand for this phone is amazing, given the claims some people make about it.

Why do you need 2 mobile phones?
 
Unlikely to see that, there was no specific handset return event day, as opposed to a launch day.

Maybe Apple could have organised a return event where they un-high five you as you walk out.

There were lots of people who didn’t pre-order and waited in line on June 24 and June 29. The return date for the pre-orders and June 24 buyers passed. There was no media coverage of any of this. The June 29th buyers date will be passed in a few days.
 
There were lots of people who didn’t pre-order and waited in line on June 24 and June 29. The return date for the pre-orders and June 24 buyers passed. There was no media coverage of any of this. The June 29th buyers date will be passed in a few days.

Its not like everyone waited until the thirtieth day.
 
There were lots of people who didn’t pre-order and waited in line on June 24 and June 29. The return date for the pre-orders and June 24 buyers passed. There was no media coverage of any of this. The June 29th buyers date will be passed in a few days.

Exactly, we were never going to see everyone funnelled into an un-launch day.
 
Are you serious ?!? :confused:

People are desperately trying TO BUY ONE, not to bring it back ...

Clealy you didn't see all those "POST HERE IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR iPHONR 4 BACK RAWR!!!" threads that popped up in the forum ever so often .

Of course, they never really garnered any attention but made for some good laughs.
 
and again: you are not bridging anything with an hand (or a finger).
Your hand is not made of steel ...
I mean how do I respond to that? If you are bright enough to type on the internet you are bright enough to know that flesh is electrically conductive. I have to assume you are being deliberately obtuse.

You are detuning/attenuating the antenna, like you do in any other phone.
Again, if this true you could 'detune' other phones with a single finger - not a single video showing it. I again assume you are being deliberately obtuse.

and again: yes, you lost 20 dB on the iphone, because the antenna is external
Again, it seems like you are pretending you have no idea what attenuation is - if it was attenuation it wouldn't matter if the antenna was internal or external - that happens because your very much electrically conductive flesh acts as a fleshy Faraday cage, if you could touch the antenna or not that would make no significant difference IF that was the cause. That's why we know its not in this case.

Again, antenna attenuation will not happen with a single touch of a fingertip. The issues you get when you hold a phone tightly with a relatively large mass of flesh and when you can cause signal loss because of the touch of a single finger are two very different things. No matter how many times you pretend they are the same you just embarrass yourself every single time.

and again: stop speaking about things you don't understand, repeating something read on a forum :rolleyes:
and again, if you would take your own advice you wouldn't be posting at all.
 
It is electrically conductive, but the resistance is measures in the megaohms.

Again, why do denialists think they can make things up? You can use your toe to your finger to complete the circuit on a battery driven LED and make it light. How does anyone even mildly interested in electronics miss learning the fact that the human body conducts electricity just fine?
 
I mean how do I respond to that? If you are bright enough to type on the internet you are bright enough to know that flesh is electrically conductive. I have to assume you are being deliberately obtuse.


Again, if this true you could 'detune' other phones with a single finger - not a single video showing it. I again assume you are being deliberately obtuse.


Again, it seems like you are pretending you have no idea what attenuation is - if it was attenuation it wouldn't matter if the antenna was internal or external - that happens because your very much electrically conductive flesh acts as a fleshy Faraday cage, if you could touch the antenna or not that would make no significant difference IF that was the cause. That's why we know its not in this case.

Again, antenna attenuation will not happen with a single touch of a fingertip. The issues you get when you hold a phone tightly with a relatively large mass of flesh and when you can cause signal loss because of the touch of a single finger are two very different things. No matter how many times you pretend they are the same you just embarrass yourself every single time.


and again, if you would take your own advice you wouldn't be posting at all.

Again, why do denialists think they can make things up? You can use your toe to your finger to complete the circuit on a battery driven LED and make it light. How does anyone even mildly interested in electronics miss learning the fact that the human body conducts electricity just fine?

And you clearly don't know what are you speaking about, keep repeating something you read on the forum, OR you are just making things up on purpose to bash iPhone ...
We all know human body can conducts electricity (with a notable resistance) due to its composition, but we are speaking about antennas and very little power here.
So, again, NO , you are not bridging anything with you finger, and YES , the effect you saw on the iPhone is quite similar to the one you can see on every other phone.
But keep bashing, we all know is cool ...

Ps: try to put a finger on the top "gap" between the two antennas. You should "bridge" them in the same way, but IT DOESNT HAPPEN. Because you are not bridging anything with your finger ...
 
And you clearly don't know what are you speaking about, keep repeating something you read on the forum, OR you are just making things up on purpose to bash iPhone ...
What's clear is you don't know what you are talking about - any bit of flesh will cause the bridging, even flesh that isn't connected to your body. As we all know that is not mass attenuation.

We all know human body can conducts electricity (with a notable resistance) due to its composition, but we are speaking about antennas and very little power here.
And yet in just the previous note you acted like the human body would have to be like 'steel' to have the bridging effect. Again, the skin is a very effective conductor - you can complete the circuit of a low power LED by holding it in your hand, connect it to a battery and connect the other terminal to your toe. Waffling around the idea that it can't bridge electrically a gap that is a millimeter wide is funny in the extreme since every single person on earth who has actually worked with low power electronics knows you are wrong.

What's clear is you either have no practical experience with electronics or you are just trolling, I am prone to the latter.

Ps: try to put a finger on the top "gap" between the two antennas. You should "bridge" them in the same way, but IT DOESNT HAPPEN. Because you are not bridging anything with your finger ...[/B]
The antenna is already internally grounded out at the lower right side, FCC regulations wouldn't allow the signal UMTS signal to be radiating off the top portion of the phone. Yes again its that electronic thing, all ends of a bit of metal connected in multiple spots are not equal. ;)
 
What's clear is you don't know what you are talking about - any bit of flesh will cause the bridging, even flesh that isn't connected to your body. As we all know that is not mass attenuation.
no,you can't bridge the two antennas with a finger, and so far NO ONE demonstrated it.
This is just geek's forum bs ...

Who REALLY knows about RF or low-power electronic, speak about attenuation and detuning.

And yet in just the previous note you acted like the human body would have to be like 'steel' to have the bridging effect. Again, the skin is a very effective conductor - you can complete the circuit of a low power LED by holding it in your hand, connect it to a battery and connect the other terminal to your toe. Waffling around the idea that it can't bridge electrically a gap that is a millimeter wide is funny in the extreme since every single person on earth who has actually worked with low power electronics knows you are wrong.
Yes, to bridge two antennas in an effective way, with that low power, you have to use metal ...
And your led circuit example is futile ...

What's clear is you either have no practical experience with electronics or you are just trolling, I am prone to the latter.
the troll here is you, speaking about something you don't understand, just repeating something you read on a forum, with the sole purpose of bashing iPhone 4.
The antenna is already internally grounded out at the lower right side, FCC regulations wouldn't allow the signal UMTS signal to be radiating off the top portion of the phone. Yes again its that electronic thing, all ends of a bit of metal connected in multiple spots are not equal. ;)

the antenna is A SINGLE PIECE OF METAL, as you can easily see in every picture. If you could "bridge" it in the lower left gap, you definitely can do the same thing in the upper left gap.
Except it doesn't happen. Guess what? You are not bridging ANYTHING with your finger.
 
no,you can't bridge the two antennas with a finger, and so far NO ONE demonstrated it.
This is just geek's forum bs
Ok, that is exactly what the CR video demonstrates...
You know nothing about electronics, you obviously have no practical experience with electronics, and now we know you haven't even bothered to know the subject the thread is about so there really is no point in correcting you further.
 
Ok, that is exactly what the CR video demonstrates...
You know nothing about electronics, you obviously have no practical experience with electronics, and now we know you haven't even bothered to know the subject the thread is about so there really is no point in correcting you further.

CR video ONLY demonstrated attenuation or detuning, NOTHING like bridging ...

And this video shows you that it is NETWORK DEPENDENT, and has nothing to do with bridging : FUD about bridging

If it was bridging, than explain me why it's not happening in that video. But you can't, obviously, because you don't know what are you speaking about ...
 
If it was bridging, than explain me why it's not happening in that video. But you can't, obviously, because you don't know what are you speaking about ...
Again, your confusion makes no sense. That one network signal can be so strong it gets 5 bars even without a functional antenna and another not is well known - that video is just a display of ignorance by it's creator nothing more
 
Wonder what the future of the iphone is now..Maybe they'll do like microsoft and develop a new one really quickly. My advice is not to buy the new one and stick to your old iphone.
 
Wonder what the future of the iphone is now..Maybe they'll do like microsoft and develop a new one really quickly. My advice is not to buy the new one and stick to your old iphone.

Why wait? The problem doesn't seem to manifest itself to a vast majority of users from what I've seen and if you were going to use a case for it then there is even less reason to worry.

The only people that possibly should skip the iP4 is those that insist on using it without a case who may hold it the "wrong" way.
 
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