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THIS is the BIG problem - complete lack of consistency on the "eligibility determination." And of course the other problem would be those whining about subsidies and expecting everything to be given to them.

Personally, I owned both the 2G and 3G iphones and now I will need to pay $399 instead of $199 for the 16 GB 3G S. I find that to be a fair price and if the faster processor improves performance on key applications for me then I will gladly pay the $200 difference without hesitation. For me though the purchase would be a tax write-off since I use the iphone daily for work.

I'm not sure which I am getting more tired of. The posters complaining they are getting screwed (I am guilty of that yesterday) or the "its the contract" dummies, that's how business works.

Yes it does, I thought I passed a few people holding "I will work for food" signs,. Yes all these business models really work.

But lets get back to reality.

Myth 1 - Att out of the kindness of heart gave us a freebie last year.
Not so, if you had the 1st gen Iphone , you paid full price, your 3g WAS your first subsidized phone.

Myth 2 -All this posting is going help because att and apple will work something out. Doubt it, heard that before. Troops will be home because a deal is being worked out. Same thing different context.

Myth 3 - Att is going to lose on this - doubt it, new customers get the discounted price, 3g owners are still locked into a contract.

Myth 4 - Apple will do something about it.

This may not be a myth because Apple tends to lose the most, but remember they must of knew what was coming and maybe figured that into sales figures.

Iphone sales may not be as big as the last launch.

There may also be few apps taking into account the new features except from larger software providers.
This is actually a unique situation, the sdk came out about the time the 3g was announced, and the open developer program shortly thereafter, so except for maybe those in one of the closed betas all developers purchased their 3g about the same time. Meaning the vast majority of developers in the developers program are ineligible for the discounted price.

Larger software firms, which I have to think are a small piece of the 5000+ developers will most likely upgrade.
Corporate developers who are testing the waters may or may not, but probably arn't going to contribute to the app store anyway.
So that leaves the rest. The app Store is much like a self publishing book firm, staring cost can be as low as 0 to some artbitrary number, many are part time and have families and may not upgrade.
Breaks down as follows.

1) some will pay the premium.
2) some like me will add an additional line, something I've been considering for a while .
3) and many won't upgrade, meaning few (at least cheaper priced) apps to take adavantage of video, voice and the other new feature not avalable on the 3g. Couple that with the fact in additon to the 399 price the renewal period on the developer contract comes up soon which is another 99.00 , and Apple could have problems.

Couple that with fallout if 3gs sales fall below market expectations.

It is possible Apple may do something, like the "solution" after the first 3g price cut, when early adopter weren't too happy paying full price. Or maybe more likely nothing will be done. But as I see it the ball is in apple's court not ATT.

Just one girls opinion.
 
I didn't think slightly faster internet and a GPS chip were reason enough to upgrade. I didn't miss them. There's plenty of WIFI around and my iPhone does a pretty good job to tracking using phone masts, without the GPS.

Are you going to upgrade every year on the day of release? If that's your plan, you're Apple's wet dream.

3G is more than slightly faster than EDGE. EDGE was almost useless and WIFI is only available to me at work and home. And GPS has come in very handy on many occasions for me. If your situation is different, then forgive me. And to answer your question, yes I am Apple's wet dream no doubt but only because I believe their product is leaps and bounds above the competition. Otherwise, I wouldn't be. iPhones are the only Apple product I have ever owned, but I must say they are quite nice.
 
That's how it works everywhere and AT&T should not be an exception.

True but traditionally no one has cared about buying a new phone every year. As usual, the iPhone has changed the game. People like me want every new model. AT&T needs to rethink its contracts for iPhones.
 
What a bunch of whiners!

Apparently nobody understands that they signed a contract that has terms and conditions and is a legally binding document?

I bought the original iPhone on launch day and have been using it since. Now I am going to upgrade to the 3GS. I don't expect to be handed a new phone every time there is an upgrade, nor do I need a new phone every year either.

Why would you expect AT&T to bend over backwards for iPhone customers to 'make an exception, please!!!'?? They don't do this for the users of any other phone, they all have to follow the standard upgrade policies.

Where is this 'random dates' theory? Reading this thread it all seems to make sense to me. $99+ you get an upgrade after 12 mo. Less you get one after 18 mo. You should feel lucky AT&T isn't making you wait until (god forbid!) your entire 24 month contract is up like it always used to be several years ago.

People just expecting something for nothing...

Cause they are random dates.

My upgrade for iPhone 3g and first gen iPhone are on the same date?

Jan 2010.

I didn't get any discount or subsidy on my first gen why should I pay $699?
 
I don't have any inside info or anything but the 16 GB 3G is the only one listed "while supplies last".

That and the guy in the ATT video (you know the one that seems like he must have a 100lb weight weighing down the right side of his skull) said "while supplies last" too. It's pretty clear all the new 16GB chips Apple gets are reserved for the new iPhone and Touch.
 
Have you had Apple look at it... Exchange it for a new one under warranty as if its 3G your covered as it has been out less than 12 months... If the back is cracking and you did NOT drop it and if it was in a case the ENITRE time as you say then its a warranty issue. Otherwise you dropped it... LOL... Echange it!!

That would be cool if you could sell it like that.

But ya know I kept my iPhone in case at all times and never dropped it, but the black plastic casing is cracking. Can't sell it for much like that.
 
Because so many of the current 3G users that want the 3GS can't seem to understand that it isn't a lie.

no matter which way you slice it, in favor or against the "we deserve a subsidy again" crowd, the iPhone 2G -> 3G upgrade did not work this way.

iPhone 2G was not subsidized, allowing anyone who bought that iPhone to upgrade to a subsidized 3G, even if the 2G was bought a day before the 3G launch.

(this can be interpreted to argue for the subsidy-every-year crowd in that it established a tradition/expectations, they paid full price AND got locked into a contract, etc. or can be interpreted against them, in that the 3G was subsidized, the 2G wasn't, so the 3G->3GS is a different beast entirely.)

either way, it's not the same.
 
for what it's worth: although it impossible to find this info on the att site and nobody at apple has it, i have now been told by att that in their internal documents it states that after 18 months of the contract on the 3g, customers are eligible for the standard upgrade pricing on the 3gs.

Yes, it's well known that ATT will let you upgrade with full subsidy prior to the full 24 months, but when? I've heard the magic number is 16 months, while others say 18 months. I personally have upgraded at around 18 months and got the full eligibility.

I'm still using my 1st gen iPhone, so switching to the 3Gs wouldn't be an issue, but I'm not planning to make that switch due to the outrageously higher data + text plans required by ATT. $20 vs $35 is nearly double for a bit more speed...no thanks.
 
3G is more than slightly faster than EDGE. EDGE was almost useless and WIFI is only available to me at work and home. And GPS has come in very handy on many occasions for me. If your situation is different, then forgive me. And to answer your question, yes I am Apple's wet dream no doubt but only because I believe their product is leaps and bounds above the competition. Otherwise, I wouldn't be. iPhones are the only Apple product I have ever owned, but I must say they are quite nice.

The thing is Apple was so far ahead, that even an EDGE iPhone was better than the competition. I use my EDGE iPhone as a satnav and it works great.
 
That and the guy in the ATT video (you know the one that seems like he must have a 100lb weight weighing down the right side of his skull) said "while supplies last" too. It's pretty clear all the new 16GB chips Apple gets are reserved for the new iPhone and Touch.

Do the 16 GB iPhones have 1 16 GB chip or 2 8 GB chips?
 
Extend My Contract!!! :'(

AT&T doesn't want to 'extend' your contract by two years making it a 3 year contract. Ever thought maybe they don't want to have to do accounting for 3 years advance revenue? Future value of money? Customers being locked into prices for another year? It might make sense to you, but to a huge company servicing millions of customers maybe they determined that would be a bad practice. What's the limit to this anyways. Three years from now after 3 iPhone upgrades will you have a 7 year contract? Or will they limit it to just once? Then everyone will whine and say it's unfair AT&T won't let them extend their contract to 4.5 years when the new iPhone 4G comes out....
 
What a bunch of whiners!

Apparently nobody understands that they signed a contract that has terms and conditions and is a legally binding document?

I bought the original iPhone on launch day and have been using it since. Now I am going to upgrade to the 3GS. I don't expect to be handed a new phone every time there is an upgrade, nor do I need a new phone every year either.

Why would you expect AT&T to bend over backwards for iPhone customers to 'make an exception, please!!!'?? They don't do this for the users of any other phone, they all have to follow the standard upgrade policies.

Where is this 'random dates' theory? Reading this thread it all seems to make sense to me. $99+ you get an upgrade after 12 mo. Less you get one after 18 mo. You should feel lucky AT&T isn't making you wait until (god forbid!) your entire 24 month contract is up like it always used to be several years ago.

People just expecting something for nothing...

No everybody UNDERSTANDS they just think it sucks. Nobody wants something for nothing - everyone wants to pay for their new phone but they just don't want to pay twice for airtime they don't use, or be milked dry till their teats bleed...

Basically an 18 month contract doesn't work for a phone that get's updated every 12 months...
 
If you have a family plan, there is a good chance that one of the other phones on the plan is ready or soon to be ready to upgrade. Upgrade that phone and then swap the sim cards. I have 3 phones on my plan and I have it set up to where there is one phone this june and one next june that will be ready to upgrade, as well as one in december of this year. That way no matter when they new phone/s come out. I am able to get it. The other option is to pay 10 dollars more a month and add a line, and give that line to someone you may have been thinking about giving a phone to anyway, (grandparent, parent, chile. etc.)

I am definitely interested in knowing if this will work. In "theory," it should; you upgrade a Family Talk Plan phone to the 3GS at the subsidized price, which extends your contract 2 years (fine with me); when the phone arrives, activate it and swap SIM cards with the regular 3G phone on the plan; then downgrade the line you used to upgrade to a non-3G data phone plan & go from there. The only issue is having to pay TWO 3G data plans on the same account, you wouldn't want that...

Wonder if this would work...
 
3G is more than slightly faster than EDGE. EDGE was almost useless and WIFI is only available to me at work and home. And GPS has come in very handy on many occasions for me. If your situation is different, then forgive me. And to answer your question, yes I am Apple's wet dream no doubt but only because I believe their product is leaps and bounds above the competition. Otherwise, I wouldn't be. iPhones are the only Apple product I have ever owned, but I must say they are quite nice.

3G is faster than EDGE theoretically. In real life I've been in plenty of 3G areas where friends were struggling to get just over EDGE speed. There are plenty of areas w/ no 3G service period too. That's why I kept my 2G when the 3G came out. I'm getting a 3Gs though b/c of the video and voice dial. (Just hoping the voice dial really works as advertised).
 
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You are the first person that thinks clearly on here! Most people can't see past the shiny back of the 3GS and think that just live without your digital compas and wait until next year when your contract is up and the the new new iPhone that got an awesome upgrade

But the 3GS is way more than a "spec bump." Taking Apple at its word, this thing is twice as fast as the 3G. Either more RAM or more CPU, maybe a combo of both. Combine that with the upgraded camera, and you've got a device which is a much better upgrade than from the 2G to the 3G. So it doesn't look any different on the outside... big fracking deal. It's still beautiful, modern and slick.

I think a lot of the bitching comes down to this. Most of us would much rather only deal with Apple. I hate to even go into an AT&T store. Apple customers are used to an integrated buying process. If Apple's business model is to upgrade the iPhone each year, the upgrade plan should account for this. But it's not like this, and this divergence from the usual Apple customer experience is really where the gnashing of teeth is coming from.
 
A way out of contract early-Carphone Warehouse UK

Ok guys, i like many of you are NOT HAPPY about the news that we exhisting customers will not be able to upgrade for free/cheap. Despite the fact that i believe this will have a very negative effect on 3gs sales i believe there are other more seruious issues.

I worked in a position in CPW in UK that saw me in many different stores on a regular basis, and have witnessed many communications and transactions take place regarding iPhone 3g. One of the most common sales points discussed by the staff in store when selling an iPhone 3g is "And the best thing is that Apple release a new iPhone each year and allow O2 customers to upgrade even if they have an existing contract at no extra charge". I have heard this statement from at least 20 different stores.

Ofc this may just be something that has gone around in the company less official but the fact is that anything said to you to influence you signing a contract is completely relevant and MUST be truthful. This will no doubt cause a bit of backlash from customers and i for one will be using this as my tool to terminate my contract early so i can obtain a 3gs at a reasonable price.

I just thought i would make everyone aware of this point as it is drastically unfair to mislead customers in this way and is generally not what CPW do.
 
Grr, what annoys me is that they leave us to pay off the full amount just to upgrade. Why can't they just put 18 months on top of this contract that remains and pay the subsidized price, much simpler. :rolleyes:
 
I am definitely interested in knowing if this will work. In "theory," it should; you upgrade a Family Talk Plan phone to the 3GS at the subsidized price, which extends your contract 2 years (fine with me); when the phone arrives, activate it and swap SIM cards with the regular 3G phone on the plan; then downgrade the line you used to upgrade to a non-3G data phone plan & go from there. The only issue is having to pay TWO 3G data plans on the same account, you wouldn't want that...

Wonder if this would work...

This will work. My mom and my aunt are on a family plan. My mom had the original iPhone, which didn't utilize a subsidy, so she still had an upgrade coming. My aunt gets the iPhone 3G then drops it in her white russian. ATT sold her a new phone at $199 using my mom's available upgrade. They don't care, so long as you have a qualifying upgrade available.
 

Did these people ever have a late payment? I don't know their circumstances. Take it up with AT&T if there is legitimately a problem. I've never had a problem getting a company to admit an error if I can prove it using their own policies that there is one.

I've worked customer service in retail before so I know full well how 'right' some people think they are only to be completely ignoring a certain policy that is right there staring them in the face..and then after being shown it they somehow think it shouldn't apply them.
 
No everybody UNDERSTANDS they just think it sucks. Nobody wants something for nothing - everyone wants to pay for their new phone but they just don't want to pay twice for airtime they don't use, or be milked dry till their teats bleed...

Basically an 18 month contract doesn't work for a phone that get's updated every 12 months...

Then don't buy an iPhone and don't use AT&T next time if you think it's unfair, problem solved.

Your last statement is false it should be:

Basically an 18 month contract doesn't work for a phone that gets updated every 12 months where many of its users think they are entitled to and need to purchase every upgrade released.

I have a hard time believing other phones only get upgraded every 18 month btw. The razr comes to mind, seems like there was a new model of those every time I turned around. The difference being razr users didn't need to always have the newest model.

The sense of entitlement on these boards is amazing.
 
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