How can they be hypocrites, if improving Siri is in the privacy policy for Siri? Or is it just a convenient mistruth to call them hypocrites?
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Contractors Working on Siri 'Regularly' Hear Recordings of Drug Deals, Private Medical Info and More Claims Apple Employee
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So you believe what this contractor says without question or engaging any critical facilities in regard to what they're claiming?
Interesting. I wonder why people are so quick to believe things at face value nowadays. It used to be that someone had to prove their claims, and the bigger the claim, the more concrete the proof had to be. This is a very big claim. I'm not seeing any evidence. But so many here are immediately accepting it as truth.
I was just curious if this would work with my iPhone, but "I see" does not trigger "Hey Siri" however, "Hey See" triggered "Hey Siri" three out of five times for me. Unlike you though, it does not revise the on screen Siri text to "Hey see." It thinks it is a legit "Hey Siri" prompt, and will keep listening until I say something or cancel it.
This does not really bother me because I have never triggered "Hey Siri" in real world conditions using "Hey see." Like I said, I just wanted to see if it would trigger "Hey Siri."
Back on topic to this thread, I am with many that are saying that this "whistleblower" is being very vague with his answers and appears to be just looking to make headlines. As of right now, I am going with what Apple says regarding Siri data, so I think we should get all the facts before we make a conclusion.
Edit: "Hey See" triggers my Apple Watch most of the time as well, but not at all with my iPad Pro, which I found a little odd.
I follow tech so I pretty much assumed, even hoped, there were some people listening to queries etc. in fact I think when you turn on dictation it tells you that random sessions might be uploaded for system improvement purposes. The difference between Google etc is that it was found out that your ID is attached and with google that means a lot of data is all gathered together to profile you. Apple doesn’t do that.
HOWEVER, I also get that most of the world are uneducated and don’t follow tech so yeah Apple probably should have bluntly stated what was happening and given folks an opt in/out situation. No legalese etc just “if you use this feature, random clips of what you say will be sent for review by Apple (including being listened to by human analysts). Your Apple ID etc are not attached to these clips but the contents may contain private information. Do you still wish to use this feature”
HOWEVER, I also get that most of the world are uneducated and don’t follow tech so yeah Apple probably should have bluntly stated what was happening and given folks an opt in/out situation. No legalese etc just “if you use this feature, random clips of what you say will be sent for review by Apple (including being listened to by human analysts). Your Apple ID etc are not attached to these clips but the contents may contain private information. Do you still wish to use this feature”
They are all listening, google, amazon and Apple. To be honest I don’t care. I’m not doing or saying anything in ashamed of. I have google home, echos and HomePods throughout my house. I suspected that people would be listening in when I bought the devices. At least the employees will get some entertainment at work.
Actually, it's not a claim. The article is very vague about the personal information, so we can only guess what information there is. Is the location a city, a state, an address? Is the contact information an obfuscated email address, a random token, or the person's full name, birthdate and address? The article doesn't say. The difference between people's opinions here are whatever assumptions they bring to this poorly reported article. There are no facts here.
Am I the first to call this eavesdropgate? 
I don't like using Siri but a friend ate my head and got me to buy a HomePod so he could use it when he visits. So now I'm subject to Siri at home, although I don't use it on my phone.
Perhaps I should enable it when he visits and disable it when he leaves.
I don't like using Siri but a friend ate my head and got me to buy a HomePod so he could use it when he visits. So now I'm subject to Siri at home, although I don't use it on my phone.
Perhaps I should enable it when he visits and disable it when he leaves.
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I will readily admit they are not for everyone. At one point I had 6 Amazon Echos (of various models) around my house but I now only have 1 in the garage. I replaced the 5 in the living areas with 3 HomePods because I feel better about Apple than I do Amazon. I use the HomePod for music and for smart home control. I have numerous Phillips Hue lights throughout my house and several other lights and fans controlled my Wemo smart outlets. I like being able to give one verbal command to turn multiple devices on and off. I also have motion sensors inside and outside of my house that trigger lighting events and notifications to my iPhone and Apple Watch. It was never about "needing a box to talk to" but rather playing music and implementing home automation.
Why don’t they listen to conversations at Apple offices and stores around the world and try to improve things, instead of eavesdropping on their customers?
So Apple is basically doing exactly the same thing as the other AI assistant vendors. Why is Siri so far behind the others, then?
How so? Google listens. Apple listens. The same. Now of you want to take it out of context, then no, Apple doesnt do exactly what Google does. For example, Google does stuff Apple doesn't, like monetizes off user data. In this context, they listen to.
So you don’t want an Amazon worker who’s had to sign an NDA contract to listen to what you ask Alexa to do, if you have the option set to allow them to do that, and you can view what it’s heard and delete it.
But if you use Siri your happy for some contractor, who has had little vetting and not signed an NDA contract I’m guessing, to listen to your recordings, which you cannot opt out of, nor see what it’s recorded, not delete those recordings. PURELY because it’s Apple!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Wow that’s some totally blind unconditional dedication to a corporation you’ve sold out to there!!....
I mean the company has been heavily advertising its privacy stance, with the slogan ‘what’s on your iPhone stays on your iphone’, yet it seems they have been doing quite the opposite to that, in effect performing false or misleading advertising, but you still rather trust them over the others?
I really am struggling to understand the reasoning behind this.
No. All of these assistants work the same way. It starts recording when you activate it.
This is the power of marketing at its finest. It's part logical, and it's part emotional. The best marketing strategies ensure the emotional bits overwhelm logical bits.
I would never steal anything of other's property, but it regularly happens that a lot of people all over the world does it on a regular basis
Was Apple being transparent that humans either Apple's employees or Apple's contractors may listen to the actual audio? Or was it implied by being "sent to Apple"?
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That policy tries very hard to avoid the words humans may listen to your audio. It is implied but not transparent.
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Then maybe Apple should spelled that out clearly that humans are gonna listen to your audio. Afterall they have been champion on user privacy and transparency.
The evidence is in apples privacy policy, aka small print. Apple explains they do this. The only people surprised are the ones brainwashed by their ads.
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They are hypocrites because their ads say the opposite of their privacy policy.
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No they don’t.
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Depending on which side of the fence you’re on the wording doesn’t imply how Apple makes Siri better.
Yes, any kind of voice Siri thinks you called it trickers siri... you dont need to say ”Hey siri” or even containing a word siri. it maybe a normal talking and suddenly siri is activated and say something stupid like ”there is no place called supercalifragi...” or ”im sorry but i cant find a sex partner for you. You have to do it by yourself.” and im sure that any phrases trickering ”im sorry i didnt understand” went for analyzing.. but thank god, this happens with ”only small number of customers” as usual with apple...
Well, if you won't tell then I won't either.
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Oh, that's why Siri tells me to speak up.
The evidence is in apples privacy policy, aka small print. Apple explains they do this. The only people surprised are the ones brainwashed by their ads.
You've shown me an out-of-context quote of Apple's privacy policy. You've shown me no evidence that Apple actually allows what the contractor is claiming.
This is exactly what I was talking about. No evidence and yet people seem to want to find whatever pseudo-evidence they can to prop up their immediate response. With critical analysis of this kind of thing, you allow your view to flow from the evidence that is available. You don't seek evidence to bolster your initial assumptions/biases.
So they can hear me when I swear at Siri because she misunderstood what I said for the millionth time? Cool!
Me: "Hey Siri. Open Radarscope"
Siri: "I don't see an app named "Raiders Cope".
Me: "OPEN RADARSCOPE"
Siri: "The Oakland Raiders season opener will be on..."
Me: "@#&*#@!"
Siri: "Such language!"
Me: "Hey Siri. Open Radarscope"
Siri: "I don't see an app named "Raiders Cope".
Me: "OPEN RADARSCOPE"
Siri: "The Oakland Raiders season opener will be on..."
Me: "@#&*#@!"
Siri: "Such language!"