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Thanks for clarifying your faulty logic. I understand where you're coming from and completely disagree.

LOL, how? Please tell me how my "logic" (which isn't logic because it is basic science that a 9th grader could tell you that sapphire is harder than a rock) is flawed
 
Hmm, where to begin. "Hardness" has little to do with resistance to shattering. There's only a tentative correlation and it's inverse. Rubber will conduct electricity given enough of it. Keep going though, it's clear that you have a deep background in materials.
 
Hmm, where to begin. "Hardness" has little to do with resistance to shattering. There's only a tentative correlation and it's inverse. Rubber will conduct electricity given enough of it. Keep going though, it's clear that you have a deep background in materials.

You're right actually, hardness doesn't have anything to do with shattering, it's a good thing it can't shatter thought.
 
Materials scientists everywhere disagree with you but I suppose that doesn't matter anymore.

I suppose posting your evidence doesn't matter anymore either, because on the internet what you say is Fact! It's funny how i asked you multi-able times to post evidence and yet you haven't? Or maybe the better word is can't?
 
I posted evidence hypocrite.:D

I'm not a hypocrite. But thanks. Maybe you need to look up the definition of that.

My point was that just because you state something, that also does not make it fact. When have you had a 1mm piece of Sapphire that was 1' by 1' and threw it against a rock. And yet to state clearly that it wouldn't shatter. You can't possibly know this.
 
I had a chance to interact with one of my known contacts on the Sapphire crystal for optics. He works for Saint Cobain engineering division that makes glasses. He says that optic quality vs strength is always an issue in this industry. So, if you want harder then your optic quality will be compromised (as mentioned by the Corning Gorilla Glass Chief).

Typo? It's Saint Gobain I think. As to your comments, I think I'd prefer harder at the expense of impact strength. My iPhone 4 is three years old and doesn't have a scratch on it, which is the way I like it. My wife on the other hand has a fair amount of scratches, though still not too bad. She keeps hers in a purse whereas I don't put anything in the pant pocket I put my phone in. Were it made out of sapphire, I might worry less about that.

About the only thing you would have to worry about with sapphire would be sandpaper style nail "files". I remember reading about someone commenting that they were worried about using a file on a ring near a sapphire and someone commented back that they should be more worried about the file than the gemstone. Though not entirely true, it did give me a better grasp on how hard these things really are.
 
I'm not a hypocrite. But thanks. Maybe you need to look up the definition of that.

My point was that just because you state something, that also does not make it fact. When have you had a 1mm piece of Sapphire that was 1' by 1' and threw it against a rock. And yet to state clearly that it wouldn't shatter. You can't possibly know this.

You are right, i haven't actually done this, tho before i continue on i believe i said something along the lines of i doubt it would crack, if i didn't i apologies. Anyway the reason why i believe it wouldn't is because the amount of force that it cracked in the video that the other guy posted was 161 pounds i believe, so unless you can throw that hard i doubt it would be damaged, unless of course you where throwing it at a diamond rock.
 
I suppose posting your evidence doesn't matter anymore either, because on the internet what you say is Fact! It's funny how i asked you multi-able times to post evidence and yet you haven't? Or maybe the better word is can't?

You're right, other than posting the commonly accepted definition of the word "shatter" and video evidence of a sapphire plate shattering in such a way that exactly meets this definition, I guess I haven't provided anything.
 
You're right, other than posting the commonly accepted definition of the word "shatter" and video evidence of a sapphire plate shattering in such a way that exactly meets this definition, I guess I haven't provided anything.

And yet no it didn't match it at all. Your arrogance and pride is making you think it did and yet it obviously didn't, BTW where are your scientist?
 
And yet no it didn't match it at all. Your arrogance and pride is making you think it did and yet it obviously didn't, BTW where are your scientist?

From Dictionary.com:
Shatter:*to break (something) into pieces

So you're telling me that didn't happen in the video? This "doesn't match at all" with the video?

I get it, I'm ruining your Internet super hero mojo, but you're really embarrassing yourself here.
 
There's no iTV (it won't be called that). A personal gripe I have is that people just refer to some hypothetical tv project as just that.

Also - there's no confirmation of any iWatch either. A wearable that MIGHT also have the time on it sure - but that doesn't make it a watch or an iWatch.

My .02


Well, of course there is no confirmation of these products. Or else you would be posting your personal gripes on a website called "MacConfirmations".

I did say "I think" which means I am speculating. And as much as you think I care about your personal gripes. I truly don't. So... Again, I THINK that apple will come out with a TV. And a watch. And they will use sapphire glass for these products.
 
From Dictionary.com:
Shatter:*to break (something) into pieces

So you're telling me that didn't happen in the video? This "doesn't match at all" with the video?

I get it, I'm ruining your Internet super hero mojo, but you're really embarrassing yourself here.

Pieces, do you remember the pics I posted earlier? It has crack all over from just 1 blow, that vid showed i believe three pieces, 1 of which was very small, a crack is a very clean "cut", But a shatter isn't, you are looking way too far into it.
 
Pieces, do you remember the pics I posted earlier? It has crack all over from just 1 blow, that vid showed i believe three pieces, 1 of which was very small, a crack is a very clean "cut", But a shatter isn't, you are looking way too far into it.

I'm looking at it quite simply. Doesn't matter if it's 3 pieces or a million pieces, big or small. As long as it's plural it falls within the definition of shatter.
 
I'm looking at it quite simply. Doesn't matter if it's 3 pieces or a million pieces, big or small. As long as it's plural it falls within the definition of shatter.

And that's why you are wrong, science is never simple. Also it has to do with the way it breaks. If it is a strait break it is a crack, if it goes out wards like that pic I showed that's a shatter. Another thing you fail to realize is that it could simply be a second crack.
 
And that's why you are wrong, science is never simple. Also it has to do with the way it breaks. If it is a strait break it is a crack, if it goes out wards like that pic I showed that's a shatter. Another thing you fail to realize is that it could simply be a second crack.

There you go again, inventing your own definitions.
 
It's ironic that the only reason Gorilla Glass made an impact in the market is because Steve Jobs found a use case for it and forced Corning to mass produce it, and now Apple may be moving onto another display technology that this guy is saying is too unattractive for consumer use.

only the iphone 5 and iphone 5S and 5C used gorilla glass.
 
And that's why you are wrong, science is never simple. Also it has to do with the way it breaks. If it is a strait break it is a crack, if it goes out wards like that pic I showed that's a shatter. Another thing you fail to realize is that it could simply be a second crack.

I don't care if you're right or wrong, the fact that you are just about every other post in half this thread has made me seek out if I can ignore you.

Also, there are no facts, just theories, so everyone here saying otherwise is wrong. :cool:

Edit: Ignore list :D
 
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I don't care if you're right or wrong, the fact that you are just about every other post in half this thread has made me seek out if I can ignore you.

Also, there are no facts, just theories, so everyone here saying otherwise is wrong. :cool:

And the other guy that has almost as many post as me? Seems a bit bias no? And a fact is something that can be proven, so if you can prove something it is a fact:cool:
 
Boy, an article like this really brings out the whining Apple-drones who have somehow tied their own self-worth to the proposition that everything Apple does has to be better than anything anybody else else does.

Even though I have three Macs and only one Windows installation I enjoy reading Windows forums. Unlike on the Mac fan sites the Windows posters are usually talking about actual computing. . . you know, software, hardware, configurations or fixes.

On the Apple-fan sites there is a lot of whining because another company did something or said something that the fans do not like. To many Apple really is a religion rather than simply a company that makes some truly great products.
That's probably because the Mac computers are already configured and don't need to be fixed. So people talk about how and why they use them, not how to make them work in the first place.
 
And the other guy that has almost as many post as me? Seems a bit bias no? And a fact is something that can be proven, so if you can prove something it is a fact:cool:

Other guy likely to get the ignore too, but a quick google of "sapphire shatter" makes it appear you are the wrong one. A fact is not something that can be proven, because every "proof" is based on a theory. The temperature outside is not a fact because the theory of thermal expansion and thermodynamics are used in making that determination. "scientific fact" is a term, but it's just a theory that is so well tested, nobody bothers anymore, but it is never a fact, any one experiment can invalidate the theory at any time. Heck, our existence in general is still a theory. There are no facts in science, testable theories are as good as it gets.
 
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