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Glass company is vocally critical of anything that might reduce his sales.

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All glass breaks. Sapphire won't be any different.

Well yes this is true. Given the right scenario a lot of stuff breaks. A friend had his phone in one of those allegedly super protective military grade type cases. It fell off a 5th floor balcony to a stone walkway. Screen was decimated, basically powder. In a case that said it could handle anything.

The trick is making glass that is break resistant enough that the stupid "slipped it of my hand and fell maybe 3 ft to the wood floor" stuff doesn't destroy the screen. And also at the same time be glare resistant etc
 
You know Samsung is rushing to figure out how to slap a slab of sapphire on one of their devices now.

Coming this summer: Samsung Gear(tm) Sapphire

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Oh crap, I'm late for a meeting. I lost track of time since I can barely see the watch hands through my dim sapphire watch crystal.

While Apple is figuring out how to slap a Samsung display for cheap on their devices.
 
Not the same

Is this an English sentence?



And yet it breaks more than Gorilla Glass?

Hmm... Credibility prob, bro.

Some people are equating hardness with durability and break resistance. They are not the same. Something can be very hard yet be very brittle. Hardness does not equal durability.
 
Ya know, in my years of using mobile devices, seeing them in the field, and so on, SCRATCHES are not even close to being a common problem.

CRACKING is. We need glass that is resistant to shock and won't spiderweb when dropped. Current smart phone and tablet screens are already fairly resistant to scratches; I don't use a screen protector on my iPhone and I certainly don't baby it yet there are no easily visible scratches.

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this is not even remotely true.

for iphones, maybe, as far as the entire smartphone market.. not at all.. most other devices scratch like hell and look terrible. i am a technician for a wireless company and SOO many parts are unusable due to surface scratches...
 
Incorrect

Actually he makes some good points mixed with some fiction.

And many people think gorilla glass is made to be strong when in truth it's only made to be scratch resistant

Incorrect. It is made to be strong as well. It is not yet strong enough to reliably not crack when dropped but it is definitely made to be strong.
 
Incorrect. It is made to be strong as well. It is not yet strong enough to reliably not crack when dropped but it is definitely made to be strong.

Then they really messed up.

All the findings I've read on it emphasized scratch resistance.

I could be wrong though
 
wow,, looks likes allot of bad points there of Sapphire..

So, heavier, as we would probably say "You have sapphire." just by holding it next to something made with Gorilla glass ?

With all these things now-days, we all have a 'nitch' of how light or heavy we want our gadgets.

So, Apple doesn't like it, its more expensive to make, but on the up-shot is, its more scratch resistant ..


That's still ONE positive... Give it a shot,,, Apple may be surprised, (they usually are when they find they get it manufactured for less.)

(edits: what are those shiny things....)
 
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this is not even remotely true.

for iphones, maybe, as far as the entire smartphone market.. not at all.. most other devices scratch like hell and look terrible. i am a technician for a wireless company and SOO many parts are unusable due to surface scratches...

Which is his point. He was talking about iPhone, specifically, and yes .. iDevices screens are practically scratch resistant, unless of course you deliberately scratch it with forks everyday it will scratch badly. So I'm saying Corning makes a pretty hard glass for daily use, but maybe too brittle so it still shatters.

And Corning glass actually available for OEMs (not exclusive to Apple). Anyone can use it for their own smartphones, but some of cheap Android devices don't. So it's their own fault for not using a good quality glass, actually.

Ideally, every smartphone and tablet products should use Gorilla glass.

And sapphire won't help if cost is the problem, because it will be more expensive than Gorilla glass today. If a phone is too cheap to use Gorilla, it will be far too cheap to use Sapphire. End of story.
 
Why would I want something so useless? My phone either sits in my pocket or on top of my desk. Neither place has any solar charging capacity whatsoever.

My solar powered keyboard sits on my desk all day. Just saying, humans have overcome technical challenges before. Probably not foolish to believe it will happen again.
 
Are you Apple profit critics just haters or really that stupid? Have you ever seen the Gross Margins of the following products?

Cigarettes, beer, watches, jewelry, auto parts, fashion accessories, razor blades etc.

Apple makes 37% gross margin, an absolute pittance compared to many of the products you use every day and never complain about.

Name calling is rather juvenile and reveals your sensitivity and emotional attachment to Apple.

Remember it's just a phone.
 
A company bashing a competing product? No way

In fairness, he was asked a question and he provided an answer. I wouldn't call that bashing. Its more opining on a subject that he is well qualified to respond. As to Apple's use of Sapphire the jury is still out considering it hasn't been installed on a product.
 
You mean like Aluminium over Plastic?

Slower and more expensive to make
End result is a product that is less strong and more prone to damage

But hey, it looks cool

Good point. Still this new factory and its new Sapphire process seems a risk to combine it with the iPhone. I've got the iPhone 5 (bought soon after the initial launch), so I'm probably buying the 6. I'm hoping it doesn't have any major draw backs.
 
There are things Apple could do in terms of industrial design to lessen the issue of shattering. But people might not like them because they include things like not having the glass going all the way to the edges of the phone and also making the phone a bit thicker. Both allow you to put some shock mounting in place for the display.

So if you're willing to trade off, a slightly thicker iPhone with a bit of space between the sides of the device and the display for less shattering would be the deal.
 
Code:
Breakable ?
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Sapphire : ✓
Corning GG : ✓

Code:
Scratch Proof ?
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Sapphire : ✓
Corning GG : X

Sapphire wins. End of story.
Also with re-usable crucible sapphire cost will come down significantly.
Go :apple:
Sapphire is not scratch proof.

Take a look at a watch crystal sometime.
It is also not as impact resistant as GG.

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Yeah, Deep Blue, Rolex, Tag, Breitling include it in their watches because; it is so hard to see the display through it, it is so fragile (Deep Blue Watches are all professional dive, some rated to a 1,500 m or 5,000 feet), and it scratches easily. You have a nice product Corning, but Sapphire is measurably better in several ways. Especially hardness and scratch resistance : Vickers Hardness 2200 versus 649 according to Corning's data sheet, (or 9 versus about 6 on Mohs Scale - not a linear scale).

No contest. But of course you are going to desperately try to steer the billion-unit smart device industry away from any competition - a shift to sapphire could truly be a crushing blow.

The optical requirements are different.
I have quite a few watches and while I love the sapphire crystals, it's different than the screen on my phone.

I would not like to look at an HD screen through my watch crystal as hard and as clear as it may be. Sapphire is strong and scratch resistant. But is doesn't do well for impact resistance.

This sapphire is very brittle.
This is an iWatch product.
 
I'm pretty sure :apple: will make the best decision for their products. I already have saved money for the iphone 6. It needs to come out soon!
 
Part of the issue with scratches is people treating their phone like a football. People put their phone in their pockets when they got keys jiggling around. Even with purses people don't put their phone in the pouch for the phone so the phone is just bouncing around in their bags.

the amount of money spent on smartphones people should be treating it like a baby.

you could have diamond screens and people would still manage to scratch and shatter that.
 
The durabilaty of the glass depends on a lot more than the glass itself, the build of the product it is installed in has a lot more to do with, than the durability of the glass, my iPhone 5 has fallen from waist hight on a few occasions face down onto vinyl floor, and is still fine, my s4 fell 2 feet face down onto same floor now has a nice crack right across, yes i know need to stop dropping phones, but other than that, it proves if the device is made of sturdier stuff the glass will survive.
 
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