Cosmetic Differences in iPad 3G vs iPad Wi-Fi

[blackcrayon]

Good points. The Ipad is not for rabid Macites but for the rest of us.
An especially good point is that you can safely browse the web because it is immune to malware, viruses and nasty flash security issues. This is what a LOT of people want especially older and younger users - to be able to use the web and not have criminals take over your computer. Instant start-up and it just works design makes it a huge success not a fail.

I may be a rabid "Macite" but I still want one I think that anyone that doesn't see the possibilities of a 10" thin multitouch screen with long battery life is unimaginative- there will be some crazy, clever apps on this thing just like the ones for the iPhone. I bet if someone sold a 10" usb touch input device with built in screen it would be $500 just for that, much less one that functioned as a standalone, battery powered computer. I'd love one of these for the hundreds of "appliance" like tasks that I really don't think are as handy on this Macbook Pro- and i can stuff it in my bag and it takes less space than my OS X netbook (which i'll be promptly selling).

 

[myusernamesucks]

Interestingly a few friends who were going to update their macbooks are moving to the iMac and iPad way of thinking too, previously they had the macbook so it could travel with them, but underused in travel and too big/bulky. This is a real big shift to quite a few people I believe.

I've already put my 13" UBM up for sale - this will allow that nice shiny new iMac to show up a few months earlier than anticipated and we'll pick up a couple of iPads - one for me and one for my wife. That way, she can get rid of her POS Dell (seriously the worst computer I have ever purchased - and nothing against Dell, I have to use one for work and have had no issues).

My personal thought is to go with the Wifi for REV 1 (chances of us finding Micro SIMs when we travel are slim) and then perhaps 3G for REV 2 (yes I realise that by being an early adopter I'm paying a premium, but I've told myself it's OK and am fully anticipating getting REV 2 (my kids can have the REV 1 models)

57 days......

 

[Journojulz]

I am beginning to wonder if apple may just squeeze in a camera by the time it comes out?

That is the only thing holding me back right now.

 

[ivladster]

Its still a mystery to me what this thing is really good for....in the way i can not already do it

Maybe its just not for you then.

 

[Journojulz]

Maybe its just not for you then.

"Mr. Gates - Its still a mystery to me what this thing is really good for....in the way i can not already do it"

My satire-sense is tingling....

 

[btcutter]

Its still a mystery to me what this thing is really good for....in the way i can not already do it

Because it does it better than what you have? Bigger screen for surfing than your iPhone/iTouch.

Again, this is a multimedia device and not meant to replace your MacBook Pro or iMac. The way I see it's used is that every home will now have a laptop/desktop for iPad to sync/type/editing(heavy duty stuff) and have 1-2 iPads around the house (travel) for surfing/movie/email/gaming etc.

Last night I was surfing on MacBook after dinner and each one of my daughters (ages 2, 5) has iPhone and other with iTouch watching YouTube and playing "educational" games on them. Them LOVE the mult-touch technology and can use them without anyone teaching them. They would LOVE the iPad.

You want to know who will be buying iPad....same people that buys iTouch (esp families with children).

 

[RRX209]

I going to buy one but 2nd gen

I was on the fence trying to justify why I would even want one but I when I saw the conceptual video about Sports Illustrated magazine, I can totally see owning one now. This youtube video just scratches the surface of possibilties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntyXvLnxyXk

 

[bbtrinet]

"Mr. Gates - Its still a mystery to me what this thing is really good for....in the way i can not already do it"

I think geeky people see things differently than normal people.

For example: Why would anyone want a toaster in their house? Their oven can do the same job! Turn on the oven - set it to broil ... wait a few minutes... put the toast in, flip it over after a few minutes, wait another few minutes... now it's done on both sides!

A toaster simply makes the same process you can do with an oven quicker and easier.

This is the same as the iPad. Yes - you already have a laptop that plays music, you can watch videos on it, surf the web, and you can do a lot MORE on it, but an iPad can do these BETTER.

 

[Frazzle]

It would be a great "slave" graphic tablet for photoshop,
OR as a tiny extra monitor for Logic Plugins or Final Cut pro,
OR it could be application aware and support programmable shortcuts and macros for any osX application.

Sadly, it wont do any of that.

Why not? Apple created a remote app that can control iTunes in near-realtime (use the volume slider to see what I mean). I don't see why you couldn't write an app that does what you mean for Logic or FCP. In fact, Apple may be planning that as it's a great way to implement a detached control surface.

I would love to be able to use the iPad for the audio mixing in FCP. There's enough room for nice big functional sliders and knobs and this way I can use more of the screen real-estate on my Mac for video.

Use your imagination dude!

 

[Frazzle]

Some of us mature individuals (read: adults) actually stop to evaluate a product and whether or not it actually serves a purpose in our lives. If we need it, we purchase it. If it doesn't, we don't.

Great. So why do "mature individuals" like yourself feel the need to let all of us know that you will not be buying it. Should we care? If you're so mature, you wouldn't slag off the people that like the device as blind followers of Steve Jobs.

I'd rather hear from the people who see great possibilities for the iPad. A number of great ideas are already in this thread and if I just flick through the apps on my iPhone and think about what they could be on a bigger screen... wow. Just wow.

 

[kdarling]

Assisted GPS is real GPS + cell triangulation, so its actually a bit better in a few particular instances.

If you mean the cell id locating method on the phone, that's not A-GPS because it's not using the GPS. Even Apple's iPad webpage lists that separate from A-GPS. Using GPS plus any other method is called a hybrid system, not an A-GPS system.

A-GPS always uses GPS signals, usually getting assistance to speed up a first fix by downloading satellite orbit information over an internet connection.

Having A-GPS does not guarantee that the GPS can also operate in standalone mode. Hopefully it can in this case.

 

[diamond.g]

Why not? Apple created a remote app that can control iTunes in near-realtime (use the volume slider to see what I mean). I don't see why you couldn't write an app that does what you mean for Logic or FCP. In fact, Apple may be planning that as it's a great way to implement a detached control surface.

I would love to be able to use the iPad for the audio mixing in FCP. There's enough room for nice big functional sliders and knobs and this way I can use more of the screen real-estate on my Mac for video.

Use your imagination dude!

That is part of the problem. We all thought of super sweet things the iPad could do. When we finally saw the real thing, and it didn't do what we were all hoping it would do, we were let down (in a way).

 

[slicecom]

I think this is what the next iPhone will look like. Unibody construction with a black strip. More similar to the 2G than the 3G or 3Gs.

 

[DCJ001]

Its still a mystery to me what this thing is really good for....in the way i can not already do it

So we need to watch a presentation to tell us what to use the product for. That's a first.

Apparently, some people do.

 

[Journojulz]

Why not? Apple created a remote app that can control iTunes in near-realtime

Tried the 'Mobile Air Mouse' app?

Trackpad, keyboard, remote mouse.
Brilliant

 

[eawmp1]

That is part of the problem. We all thought of super sweet things the iPad could do. When we finally saw the real thing, and it didn't do what we were all hoping it would do, we were let down (in a way).

That is THE problem.
Had no one on the rumor site ever started building upon the tablet and heaping it up with stuff that was never going to work in one tablet form factor and at a sub $1000 price, and Apple came out with the iPad, the tone would be different. It serves a niche, and will serve it well. Apps will be written to specifically use its unique abilities and size. It will see and come to be loved in its own right.

You guys wanted:

 

[jmelick07]

If you mean the cell id locating method on the phone, that's not A-GPS because it's not using the GPS. Even Apple's iPad webpage lists that separate from A-GPS. Using GPS plus any other method is called a hybrid system, not an A-GPS system.

A-GPS always uses GPS signals, usually getting assistance to speed up a first fix by downloading satellite orbit information over an internet connection.

Having A-GPS does not guarantee that the GPS can also operate in standalone mode. Hopefully it can in this case.

I think the real question is if it can get a gps signal without paying for the 3g from at & t. If that is true I would be much more likely to get one, and pay the premium for the 3g version.

 

[mrgreen4242]

/They should have gone retro and called it the iBook.

I mean, they've got the frickin' iBookStore, so why not go with iBook?

I was thinking that too. I don't HATE the name iPad, but iBook would have been better. Not to describe its function, but to describe the form factor.

I still can't believe that there isn't a dock on the side, for landscape docking. It would make for a perfect picture frame whilst charging. I know you can do that in portrait, but lots of pictures are typically shot in landscape...

Ya, I was thinking that it was silly you couldn't dock the keyboard in a landscape (the normal orientation for a computer) mode. Makes the BT keyboard seem like a better option, until you look at the case and it only acts as a stand in portrait, so you are stuck with once or the other... silly.

Also, an extra dock would mean you could have some accessories attached and still be able to dock. Not as critical an oversight, but still...

I can't see myself owning this AND an iPod Touch. When my 1G Touch dies, I'll have to make a choice - but it'll depend on what's available...

• If this portends the next iPod Touch having a 3G option, I might very well just go with that
• If the iPhone comes to T-Mobile, and they sell it like they do the Nexus One (so I'd just have to buy a data plan on top of my current low-minutes family phone plan), I will probably choose that
• If neither ends up being the case, a 3G iPad will be very tempting

I don't use my cell phone a lot, so the current iPhone just doesn't make sense for me. I use my iPod Touch quite a lot.

If anything we'll see a new iPhone available without contract and a similar prepay data plan option. Adding 3G to the touch doesn't make sense, though.

But to your other point, I am curious about whether I will keep my iPod touch as well. It's not worth much, really, so selling it wouldn't be a huge gain, as I would still need an iPod of some sort. Right now, I have an iMac + netbook (running OSX) + iPod touch + Palm Pre (offers me wifi tethering for netbook and touch). Would iMac + iPad + shuffle (or nano?) + Pre make more sense? It'll be interesting to see how this device fits into the netbook market.

No it won't be' anywhere near a tablet. Apple's multitouch devices Are not pressure sensitive, so they Are useless for professional/artistic purpose.

There Are still many users that still don't know that.

Someone over on Reddit was talking about this on Wednesday. My thought was that for "casual" use foamy stylus like available for the iPhone will give you SOME control as you could make it with a conical tip and the device might be able to give a couple levels of pressure sensitivity based on the size of the "finger" touching it. For a more serious use, though, it might be feasible to put a pressure sensor in the pen and communicate back pressure information via BT. Older tablets (maybe newer ones too?) worked this way.

Most people with more sense than money would probably agree that waiting for Rev B (not C, D...) is sensible.

Well, I agree to an extent. However Apple hardware tends to hold value pretty well, so buying a low end revA and upgrading to revB or C might be a relatively cheap option, considering you could use and enjoy the device for an extra year. Also, this particular gadget could possibly replace one or more somewhat pricey devices (iPod touch, netbook, etc) and so could be a fairly inexpensive purchase (in terms of selling used items to fund it, or not buying the others in the first place).

I think the real question is if it can get a gps signal without paying for the 3g from at & t. If that is true I would be much more likely to get one, and pay the premium for the 3g version.

This is one of my big questions. If it gives you GPS even without having an active dataplan it MIGHT be worth the extra money (probably not, though).

 

[WLS]

I think the real question is if it can get a gps signal without paying for the 3g from at & t. If that is true I would be much more likely to get one, and pay the premium for the 3g version.

Yes the question is whether the Assisted GPS will work in standalone mode.
The Cell companies do not like to see that and that is why Assisted GPS is really all about making you link to them to get the display activated and of course they charge you for the privilege. Now if the GPS itself is operational there could be a map app that just reads the coordinates or uses Google to interpret the GPS location. That may be the case but I don't know and I don't have an Iphone to check if the GPS works without ATT service but with Google maps over WIFI. Maybe someone could report on that. I'm sure it will be the same for the Ipad. I'm surprised there are still some who think there is GPS in the WIFI only version. You are just wishing. The GPS chip is on the 3G cell card and works with it to get the assisted GPS. End of story.

 

[Lamonster]

The only annoying thing is you only get GPS with the 3G version.

Are you sure? Seems they would have said that in the features specs.

Maps

See more of the world with high-resolution satellite and street view images. Even see topography with the new terrain view. You can also search for a nearby business type (“Restaurant,” for example), then tap the business to see the route and directions from your current location.

 

[fjfjfjfj]

MobileMe?

I don't see any reason why this device would not have the ability to run MobileMe so I am surprised it was not mentioned in the launch presentation. I do not want to have to connect it to iTunes to sync my calendar and contacts, I want that to happen over air as it does today. This seems like a no brainer.

 

[decson]

I've already put my 13" UBM up for sale - this will allow that nice shiny new iMac to show up a few months earlier than anticipated and we'll pick up a couple of iPads - one for me and one for my wife. That way, she can get rid of her POS Dell (seriously the worst computer I have ever purchased - and nothing against Dell, I have to use one for work and have had no issues).

My personal thought is to go with the Wifi for REV 1 (chances of us finding Micro SIMs when we travel are slim) and then perhaps 3G for REV 2 (yes I realise that by being an early adopter I'm paying a premium, but I've told myself it's OK and am fully anticipating getting REV 2 (my kids can have the REV 1 models)

57 days......

My MBP sold at weekend, and am coming round to just getting wifi for this version. I get 500 mins free wifi with broadband supplier, so can use that if out, also have iPhone, if I do want to get online.

At mo, working at home majority of time so this will be a home and weekend away life changing addition

 

[Drag'nGT]

I'll be waiting for one, the SD card adapter and leather case.

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

There is no pleasing everyone, however it's the majority sway in either the positive or negative reaction that decides the fate of any product or service. For i.e. G4 Cube, I loved it however I would not buy it, because it has too many short comings. Many felt this way and it considered a flop.

I feel the technology behind the iPad is worth noting, what I do not get is why not incorporate it into the MacBook and MacBook Pro lineup, why a separate product.

It is hard not to see that the iPad resembles the screen of the MBP, if there was a switch to go from x86 to ARM and OS X to iPhone OS X would be interesting, however Dashboard does this well enough. iPhone OS X is an extension of Dashboard.app, nothing more.

During the keynote, you can see Steve Jobs impression when he loaded a webpage with flash elements on it. Like flash or not, its part of the internet and omitting it and calling it as the best internet experience is just false advertising. has a history of false advertising, don't believe me search it for yourself.

Though I like the potential of the iPad, it leaves less to desire. No SD slot similar to the iMac and MBP tells me this device is being crippled at the moment. Having a mic on this device leads me to believe it will support VoiceControl (limited).

Having iWork on this device seems like a last minute inclusion, in-order to separate the iPad from its competitors. See what the audience and the market reacts to and then expand on it.

I presently have an iPod Touch 32GB (3G), MBP 17" and an EeePC 10." I cannot agree with Steve Jobs sentiment regarding netbooks. A netbook might be "a cheap stripped down laptop" however I can assure you that it has no limitations on video formats, VOIP, has SD, and runs full version of all productive and creative applications, plus I can put an OS on it that I please and last but not least increase ram and hdd specs.

Anyhow Steve Jobs, keep up the good work. If you feel for one second this is the greatest achievement of your lifetime, then it has been a pretty sad day. Here is hoping.

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

I'll be waiting for one, the SD card adapter and leather case.

I hope that SD card adapter also works with the iPhone and iPod Touch. Though I see little use for it. Why not just incorporate a microSD as standard as it seems to be the standard of the mobile handheld device market.

you do remember standards right, not the days o RAMBUS again. Some standards are good to "improve" on (USB) others to exclude such as SD, is just plain lame. While you are at it, include HDMI instead of this mini Display Port crap.