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Is 7/24 Wall St. a reliable source of information?
Has anybody at MacRumors checked the claims made in this article?
Are 10% of iPhones really jailbroken?
If 10% of iPhones are jailbroken, do they really account for 75% of all all app downloads?
 
a Godwin-ian turn

It's startling to see how quickly the discussion devolved into name-calling.
And over an article of abominable "journalism".

McIntyre's sources are guesstimates from stakeholders, who sound like the often discredited nonsense that continues to prop up the Business Software Alliance, hardly impartial.

It also seems that he can't differentiate between the computer software market in general and the iPhone App Store. The tiny fraction of jailbreak iPhones couldn't account for the ridiculous dollar figures he was throwing around. Most jailbreaks take place because of an antipathy toward AT&T or the restrictions placed on the device by Apple ("Disk Mode", multitasking, open-source champions), not the opportunity to steal someone's five-dollar game.

Having read this one article, one should browse the rest of their website for tidbits. There's an article about the crushing blow "piracy" is dealing to the motion picture industry. In case you missed the news, they had the most profitable year in history in 2009, beating their last most profitable year in history, 2008. Oh, the horror.

I wouldn't have previously thought that a Wall Street analyst would have such a bad time with a calculator.

oh. wait..
 
How to pirate an application

For those that have questions about piracy this article has an interesting explanation:

http://mobileroar.com/2009/02/02/pirated-iphone-apps-via-crackulous

I, for one, didn't have a clue that this even existed until now.. Oh well. Apple is responsible to for preventing piracy. They need to shut this stuff down aggressively. If pirates want free stuff then get off their lazy butts and create it. Then you won't have to steal it.
 
It's a shame...

That someone had to go and make an app for jailbroken iPhones that makes pirating app store products so easily.

I for one Jailbroke my phone *not* so start stealing apps people took the time to write (and deserve to be compensated for) but because I could then get the phone to do things above and beyond what it was initially designed for (which at the heart, was what hacking used to be about).

In fact, I've actually paid for apps from Jailbroken App Stores. The features and neat little tricks that BiteSMS provides were something I simply couldn't get from the official App Store because I doubt the application would have made it through Apple's App Store Approval Process (which is too bad because from all indications, the app does nothing harmful to the phone).

I hope that people would avoid using apps like Crackulous...
 
Point well taken but that doesn't mean the adequate model for the music industry ought not to be that their celebrity comes from the free dissemination of their music and their income from touring alone, or for movies to get their income from theatrical releases. It's the squeezing of the orange thrice that bothers me.

The problem on the music industry end is that it costs money to record, press, and promote a release. The actual production of the physical product isn't that large a portion of it (in our budgets, it's around 10-15%, and we have tiny budgets). That's where my original point on the music/film/etc model comes from--the quality and access to an artist comes from money spent, and a lot of it (not to mention employee salaries, health benefits, etc), on promoting that artist's releases. Without that, people don't hear about the artist, so who would come to the show?

What I see happening in the industry is a lot of the independent workers are leaving, labels and promoters alike, and thus the smaller artist is having an even tougher time of it. Meanwhile, the larger artists--whose rights are usually owned by the larger labels in exchange for the support they put behind them--aren't making as much. The larger labels are hurting but not nearly as much as they'd like you to believe; licensing a Beyonce track to a film is WAY more costly than, say, a Piney Gir track, and the label recoups a ton of it on the major end, and a much smaller portion on the minor. Plus larger labels tend to take money from shows, since they spend a lot promoting them, whereas a lot of indies are hands-off when it comes to money earned at shows. So my main fear is that the live show model is going to destroy the level playing field that, ironically, downloading actually created in its inception.

None of that is to point of the main conversation, of course, just my thoughts on watching the industry intensely for the past 8 years. :)
 
Im still amazed that people can logically connect theft of material good and reproduction of data.

Im against piracy as much as the next guy, but spewing out the propaganda the RIAA and MPAA throw around doesnt help the issue at all.

The Pocket Guide to Theft and Piracy:
piracy-is-not-theft.png

Tell this to the people that have judgements for millions of $$ against them for sharing their "copies" of digital music with others. This type of thinking is from the 1800's. Things change....
 
I am starting to believe that the only people that really believe this garbage are the ones that not only have NO creative bone in their body, but are also people that have never created ANYTHING intellectual, artistic, or otherwise in their lives.


Dude, seriously.
Is anyone saying here that piracy is ok and not a danger to creativity?

You imply that if you distinguish between the two issues you automatically disregard "ANYTHING intellectual, artistic, or otherwise" which is a silly, unfounded insult and nothing else.
 
Tell this to the people that have judgements for millions of $$ against them for sharing their "copies" of digital music with others. This type of thinking is from the 1800's. Things change....

I feel like I need to clarify with you even further. When you purchase a copy of software/music/ whatever. You don't actually "own the physical file" you have. You own the right to view/hear/or interact with that file. For people that can't get around the I own the physical copy concept. Think of it like a gym membership. If you purchase a membership for life you can use that gym forever until you die. But you don't own the gym. You own the right to use the gym. This is the same concept. You own the right to the software but you don't own the software. Sneaking into the gym all your life is the same as stealing software.

Oh, and getting a home gym is the same as making your own software or music.
 
Tell this to the people that have judgements for millions of $$ against them for sharing their "copies" of digital music with others. This type of thinking is from the 1800's. Things change....


Things change. You've hit the issue spot-on.

Sharing copies can cause massive financial damage, much more than stealing an item. What would you call that, grand theft? What would you call downloading a copy, is that a simple form of theft? What does someone do who sells illegal copies, is that theft+fraud+forgery?

How about creating a new category and naming it piracy?
 
I feel like I need to clarify with you even further. When you purchase a copy of software/music/ whatever. You don't actually "own the physical file" you have.


That's actually a thing that is specific to Anglo-American law systems. In most continental European systems there is no such thing as a copyright, and you can actually acquire music or software and call it your own. The author of the work (not the record company!) however still has specific non-transferable rights over his creation.
 
I'm not an expert in how app analytics work. If I have two iPhones (I have a work phone and a personal phone) or if I had an iPhone and an iPod touch, would it show up as two different users, and thus appear to be someone using a pirated app?
 
Wouldn't that be fraud?

It would also be fraud (making a false statement, with intention that another relies on it, and the other does rely on it to my benefit [or sometimes his detriment]). But it can be more than one crime, of course.
 
That's actually a thing that is specific to Anglo-American law systems. In most continental European systems there is no such thing as a copyright, and you can actually acquire music or software and call it your own. The author of the work (not the record company!) however still has specific non-transferable rights over his creation.

Actually that's inaccurate to most record deals. The artist has the right to the composition (if they actually wrote it), the record company most of the time owns the recording.
 
That's actually a thing that is specific to Anglo-American law systems. In most continental European systems there is no such thing as a copyright, and you can actually acquire music or software and call it your own. The author of the work (not the record company!) however still has specific non-transferable rights over his creation.

Not really true. Although the bases of these laws are different, continental European countries have equivalents to copyright (if by different names). For example, France has droits patrimoniaux which, like copyright, prevents copying or public performance. The German Urheberrechtsgesetz is essentially similar. And, of course, the EU now has copyright laws that apply to all members that are not too different than US law.
 
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I think the boosted sale of iPhones – under the intentional guise of Jailbreaking and putting pirated IPAs on your iPhone (via Installous or other methods) – would far outweigh the "losses" to Apple; Apple are selling a lot more iPhones these days through word of mouth of the hoard of apps you can put on them than anything else.

The only people being hurt here are the developers, not Apple.
 
Tell this to the people that have judgements for millions of $$ against them for sharing their "copies" of digital music with others. This type of thinking is from the 1800's. Things change....

You seem to be missing the point. Im not saying making copies is by any means legal, its just not "theft," its "piracy."

Also, i think you'd be hard pressed to find any piracy cases from the 1800s.
 
no way

Ignoring all of the back and forth about wether it really is pirating and ownership of the software and hurting developers...

I think the article has to be completely wrong. First off, as many other posters have said, I don't even know how to pirate apps on a non-jailbroken phone. It probably is possible, but it is known by so few people that there is no way 75% of app downloads are pirated. So, if it's not on a non-jailbroken phone, then it must be all of the jailbreakers who pirate, right? But, I'm assuming, jailbroken phones are a small minority of iPhone users. How do they rack up 75% of app usage?

The numbers just don't add up.

Oh, and I used to be a jailbreaker (because I live overseas and couldn't get a legitimate unlocked phone) and I didn't pirate. I know have an Apple unlocked phone (that I paid a **** load of money for) and still don't pirate.
 
My iPhone is jailbroken, I love the things I can do like change my themes and SBsettings and all that stuff. I have also pirated applications. For me, being 13, I don't have any income and whenever I get an iTunes gift voucher I buy apps and music until it runs out, some of my favourites I even buy properly. It's good for me because I get to play meh games that I wouldn't pay for, but yeah, it's wrong :(
 
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