you cant loose something you never had not to mention they wouldn't have ever of bought it any way
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Cost of App Store Piracy Pegged at $450 Million
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I see what you are saying. I apologize, I was using sodomy as an example of a society reversing directions, because the now legal sodomy was consensual even when it was then illegal. I guess I could have used confiscatory taxation as a better example I suppose.
Hey, no worries. And not to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but I can see several arguments for confiscatory taxation; for example, taxes pay for fire department/police/etc. Wealthy people have, in dollar value, a lot more to lose in a fire, and are more likely to be a target of theft. So, much like insurance, taxation is in that respect representative.
Not saying I agree with the above, again just being contrary.
If I understand it correctly, it IS stealing. The creators of pirated apps are being deprived of any income they would normally receive from legally purchased copies.
Well if its doesn't hurt the devs then why not make all the apps free? Along with any software program?
Actually the article is correct. Accountants only care about the explicit cost (which is useful when calculating taxes) however Economists consider both the explicit and the implicit costs (the opportunity cost). E.g. you have a plot of land; the economic cost is how much you could be renting it out for (the opportunity cost).
By that logic, I should just go take that Ferrari Enzo at the dealership because it's overpriced, in my opinion. I should just take whatever I think is too much because they're ripping me off. Makes sense.....
Yeh, I know. It seems many people are confusing this with the idea that people "resell" the apps.
It's like with DVDs. You can buy some DVDs from the Chinese Market. No way are they legit! £5 for 10 DVDs? Without cases!
They are making money from Paramount etc...
However, I am not making any more with any of my apps. If I intend to make money, of course I would buy it. And that goes for the ridiculously expensive photoshop.
Actually this is a universal problem that Apple needs to address with its carriers.
It isn't just Europe, anybody that travels for business or pleasure has to deal with this issue. Personally I don't live far from the Canadian border and could easily incur those incredibly high fees. Travel to the Caribbean, Brazil or Ireland and you can come back to the US with a bill larger than you plane ticket for a few calls, much less data usage.
If there is anything on this planet that would keep me from buying another iPhone it is the inability to swap sim cards as the need arrises. The problem here is that I'd rather have an Apple solution here as opposed to a Jailbreak/Unlock. Not because of piracy but in this case stability. I like to keep software up to date on all my hardware iPhone included and the Jailbreak/Unlock screws with that.
By the way the one big feature I just love about app store is the single point for updating everything installed on my iPhone.
Dave
It isn't just Europe, anybody that travels for business or pleasure has to deal with this issue. Personally I don't live far from the Canadian border and could easily incur those incredibly high fees. Travel to the Caribbean, Brazil or Ireland and you can come back to the US with a bill larger than you plane ticket for a few calls, much less data usage.
If there is anything on this planet that would keep me from buying another iPhone it is the inability to swap sim cards as the need arrises. The problem here is that I'd rather have an Apple solution here as opposed to a Jailbreak/Unlock. Not because of piracy but in this case stability. I like to keep software up to date on all my hardware iPhone included and the Jailbreak/Unlock screws with that.
By the way the one big feature I just love about app store is the single point for updating everything installed on my iPhone.
Dave
Exactly, it comes down to copyright infringement. Even at that, the law is scrupulous. Prime example would be the RedBox at your local Wal-Mart.
Put yourselves in the developers shoes, They have just been developing an application using their expertise in their chosen programming language wrote hundreds of lines of code used multiple memory management techniques and insured that their program is efficient and bug free. They then think "Wow I enjoyed that, maybe I can make some money out of what I've made" How would you feel if what had taken you months to make was obtained by someone for free in mere seconds?
Um, no.
The stealing argument has already been made on this page (or page 9, if this ends up on page 10 or later) as well as several times over on the previous ones. Being deprived of potential income is being deprived of something. And the MPAA, though a bunch of self-righteous rich idiots, aren't wrong just because they are a bunch of self-righteous rich idiots.
Nope. You have no way - NO way - to prove that any of those freely-downloaded copies would ever have been purchased in the first place. You can't be deprived of theoretical income.
How many teenagers that downloaded the entire Adobe CS4 suite would have ever, EVER paid for it? 0.000001% or so.
Traditionally, when you steal something, you deprive another from owning it.
That's not the case with digital content, however, which can be duplicated. There's a completely different psychology associated with it. Digital copies are an infinite resource which naturally results in a zero price point. From a standpoint of pure market economics, there's no stealing involved.
No, not at all, you're talking about the cost of writing an app. Not the cost of people who didn't buy it from you copying it. There is no cost of people copying it, unless some of those people would have paid for it, and then decided not to when they realized they could get it for free. And since there is no way to know what millions of individuals each think about what any given app offers for the price, and whether that constitutes a good deal they would have paid money for, you are left with conjecture. Which reduces this article and its numbers to a slimy fabrication at best.
The only effect of people who wouldn't buy your app copying it to experiment with, test out, full-on use, or make babies with, is that it upsets the developer to think that just maybe that person would have paid for it.
And that's as good as it gets.
Just because it's expensive does not mean that I will try to take it.
I can afford TomTom but it would be a waste of money without the dock anyway.
These companies take the piss with their prices.
Radiohead launched a free album where people donated money if they wanted - lots of people paid. This site, has people donating to it, big time.
What I am saying is, I wouldn't pirate a $1 app. I wouldn't download it.
I would pirate a $99 app unless it did something life changing.
Totally. One of my best friends is in a band and he hears from people ALL THE TIME "I love your band, I got the album on Limewire/bittorrent/etc". Which is great and all, but then they ask why the band doesn't tour more, and his answer is "you got the album on Limewire/bittorrent/etc., so we have no money for gas".
Not a perfect example, and my friend is bitter, but hardly a moot point.
wow I can't believe that some people don't know how easy it is to pirate apps on the Iphone... It's easy as hell really..
Anyways the numbers are bogus, there's no way they would be able to calculate how much pirated apps "would be" worth is to the developers.
The app store is kinda like the stock market, if you get too greedy you loose. I buy apps sometimes but I also pirate them. I once bought a VNC app for $20 which was worth the money. Later when Navigon Europe came out I wanted that.. but the price.. $150! in my country's app store. There is no way in hell that I would EVER pay that amount for a piece of software..
I mean hell? you can get a standalone gps for that kinda money.
Yeah I stole the app.. so what? I wouldn't have bought it anyway.. A fair price would have been $50 and not 150.. That's called greed.. the Free Market rules the world, if you can't compete fairly then don't come whining when people aren't buying your overpriced underdeveloped app.
There is so many 0.99cent apps on the appstore and most of them are crap.. There was countless of times where I would buy an app and then afterwards realize that I just pissed away a dollar.. When that happens 10 times in a row to you then you'll get angry.
If the developers would just take their time and make Good Quality Apps then people will buy their apps.. It's much better than floading the appstore with stupid fart apps and then complain online about how people are "stealing" your useless app.
Just because you put a price tag on it doesn't mean that it's actually worth THAT much.. get it?
Anyways the numbers are bogus, there's no way they would be able to calculate how much pirated apps "would be" worth is to the developers.
The app store is kinda like the stock market, if you get too greedy you loose. I buy apps sometimes but I also pirate them. I once bought a VNC app for $20 which was worth the money. Later when Navigon Europe came out I wanted that.. but the price.. $150! in my country's app store. There is no way in hell that I would EVER pay that amount for a piece of software..
I mean hell? you can get a standalone gps for that kinda money.
Yeah I stole the app.. so what? I wouldn't have bought it anyway.. A fair price would have been $50 and not 150.. That's called greed.. the Free Market rules the world, if you can't compete fairly then don't come whining when people aren't buying your overpriced underdeveloped app.
There is so many 0.99cent apps on the appstore and most of them are crap.. There was countless of times where I would buy an app and then afterwards realize that I just pissed away a dollar.. When that happens 10 times in a row to you then you'll get angry.
If the developers would just take their time and make Good Quality Apps then people will buy their apps.. It's much better than floading the appstore with stupid fart apps and then complain online about how people are "stealing" your useless app.
Just because you put a price tag on it doesn't mean that it's actually worth THAT much.. get it?
Other than stealing intellectual property, but we all know how much *some* people care about their own intellect.
Piracy is stealing. You can't come up with a rational argument that it is not.
What an idiot. Each and every pirated app is a loss of income to the developer. You can't rationally argue otherwise. Beside it is legally stealing, people do get prosecuted for it.
Dave
What an idiot. Each and every pirated app is a loss of income to the developer. You can't rationally argue otherwise. Beside it is legally stealing, people do get prosecuted for it.
Dave
It sounds like his followers are gobby retards, really. I am not going to email Adobe and say "I LOVE photoshop. I got it on BitTorrent."
Why do you think that's okay? do you think you're entitled to it just because you can't afford to buy it or because you think it's not worth the price (to you?) What you're saying is that you would only pay for something if it provides sufficient value to you for the price charged. Of course that's fine - that's the basis of the free market. However, you then go one further and say that if you don't want to buy it because it delivers insufficient value to you, you'll steal it.