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Could Apple Pull iCloud Services From the UK Market?

HJM.NL said:
And… the UK isn’t even part of the EU. I think the EU will follow. I don’t mind because I’ve nothing to hide.
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You're fine if you have no banking or other personal data on iCloud that could be exploited in any way. Others do. As the article said, it is the UK asking for a back door, but once there is a backdoor, others will find a way in, including criminals.
 
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surferfb said:
While it's a small difference, I believe China didn't require Apple to break encryption.
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China didn't require Apple to break encryption because no encryption is being used.

Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, has said the data is safe. But at the data center in Guiyang, which Apple hoped would be completed by next month, and another in the Inner Mongolia region, Apple has largely ceded control to the Chinese government.

Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it.
 
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sw1tcher said:
It's not unprecedented. China has backdoor access to iCloud data since they are in control of Apple's datacenters.
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You somehow answered my question, thanks!

My question was about this mentioning in the article: “Confronted by the UK government's latest encryption demands, the company must now prove whether its commitment to user privacy is truly unbreakable, or just a corporate slogan that crumbles under regulatory pressure”
 
The UK government already made such demand. At that time, Apple said it would rather give up those services - iMessage and Facetime - than create a backdoor, then the UK government came to senses.

I honestly think - and whole heartedly hope - this time Apple will act exactly the same way it always did.

Apple is the only big company I truly trust handling and protect my data.
Please let's keep it that way, thank you!
 
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sw1tcher said:
China didn't require Apple to break encryption because no encryption is being used.

Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, has said the data is safe. But at the data center in Guiyang, which Apple hoped would be completed by next month, and another in the Inner Mongolia region, Apple has largely ceded control to the Chinese government.

Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it.
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Interesting twist! Thanks for pointing this out. So there is no double standard in Apple’s policy if they stand for privacy in the UK 😄 👍
 
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Moonjumper said:
You're fine if you have no banking or other personal data on iCloud that could be exploited in any way. Others do. As the article said, it is the UK asking for a back door, but once there is a backdoor, others will find a way in, including criminals.
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As sw1tcher already noted apple has given the authorities of China a backdoor already.

And I think just a specialized force of the UK government will get access to it to keep everyone safe from terrorist planning and so on…
 
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So basically the UK government wants global access to anyone's data without our knowledge, to what, ensure that we aren't sending subjectively offensive memes to one another over iMessage in order to be able to fully investigate their "Non-Crime Hate Incidents". I feel safer already.
 
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It is hard to debate if a request like this is kept secret. Does the UK want access to every iCloud account globally or just to UK accounts? (Not sure how they would be locally identified)

I seem to remember back in the "leaks" days the claim was made that the UK is legally permitted to completely filter all internet data cloud flows but not to store anything while the US is legally permitted to store stuff but not filter cloud flows. As both sides cooperate, they already get the big picture since many years.
 
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sw1tcher said:
China didn't require Apple to break encryption because no encryption is being used.

Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, has said the data is safe. But at the data center in Guiyang, which Apple hoped would be completed by next month, and another in the Inner Mongolia region, Apple has largely ceded control to the Chinese government.

Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it.
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more fragmentation, fragmentation in customer service depending on where you bought it, fragmentation in iPhone features (AI, encryption) depending on where you live
 
Shouldn't the rule be don't store anything sensitive in the cloud? Just keep them backed up at home. Storage is cheap these days. For people storing photos, is the metadata encrypted? If not, Apple and governments that have someone on the inside in Apple has a record of where you have been if you are a person of interest.
 
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chars1ub0w said:
Shouldn't the rule be don't store anything sensitive in the cloud? Just keep them backed up at home. Storage is cheap these days. For people storing photos, is the metadata encrypted? If not, Apple and governments that have someone on the inside in Apple has a record of where you have been if you are a person of interest.
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No. I don’t want governments telling companies or users what to do or not to do.
 
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HJM.NL said:
As long as there is money to be made, Apple (Timmy) will never pull out from Europe.
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While I agree they wouldn't pull out over the DMA, this is the one thing I could see Apple pulling out of the UK (not the EU) over. Maybe not likely, but definitely possible. I hope they do, but can't same I'm optimistic they will. We will see what happens.
 
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Interesting, we do “trust” our governments with all our financial information already in the form of tax returns already, willingly or not, but we comply. What is more sensitive than that?
Just to be clear, I think it is absolutely disgusting what came to daylight here …
 
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