Nice deep cut from the archives. But a warrant and blanket backdoor access are two very different things.
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Could Apple Pull iCloud Services From the UK Market?
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True, but to be fair the UK is a liberal democracy and should be held to a higher standard.
The EU has way better privacy protections than the UK, so there would be no point.
FWIW the EU is looking into a similar law; hopefully the Germans would put a stop to it given their understandable concerns about ensuring citizens' privacy rights given their country's history, but it's definitely been proposed.
Read up on the "Chat Control" proposal and EU encryption policy documents leaked in 2021.
Thing is no one is able to have a sensible conversation about the impact of encrypted communications on society. I can fully understand privacy but if you're trying to investigate and shut down criminal operations like drug cartels and child sexual abuse gangs which is enabled by these protections what exactly do you suggest?
The DMA is the least of anyone's concerns given the context of this discussion
While there’s a lot I like about parliamentary systems, one of my issues is that members of the lower house tend to have much longer terms than in the US.
So unless Starmer tells the King to call a snap election (unlikely), Britons would have to wait until 2029.
I'm pulling out of iCloud services in the UK.
Everything starts offline from now.
Everything starts offline from now.
You have to see it in context:
Do I want my government to spy on me for no reason? NO
Do I want my government to protect me, friends, family and everyone against a terrorist attack? YES
Do I permit my government to check all my data on all my digital devices PURELY and ONLY for safety for society? YES
IF Apple is able to decrypt it, it should allow special forces of democratic governments help ONLY UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
Nuclear bombs fit in just a small bag these days. I think EVERYONE would have wanted to prevent a disaster of exploding such a device in any big cities around the world.
When there are reasonable signs of terrorism, I wish my government has all the tools to prevent them.
It doesn’t seem to matter who’s in power in my country, they all have a deep distrust of their citizens and no respect for their privacy.
Now would be the wrong time to pacify a third world country like Britain. Better to simply geo-block them and move on so as to set the precedent of how to handle other dictatorships in the future.
They're both seeking access through legal means. One is through a warrant while the other is through the UK Investigatory Powers Act.
Judges rarely deny warrant requests.
Summary data on requests for delayed-notice search warrants and extensions for fiscal year 2022 appear in Table 1. A total of 18,229 warrant requests were reported. Of these warrant requests, 18,157 were granted
That's a 99.61% approval rate.
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So Starmer will be able to see what everyone’s been watching on P*rnhub
Apple needs to set a precedent and tell the UK to pound sand. What is the UK going to do? Fine Apple? Probably. Then Apple just moves everything out of the UK and refuses to activate any Apple device within the UK. If the people in the UK want Apple products, let those people respond to the UK government by telling their elected officials to put their draconian law where the sun don't shine.
China doesn't demand access to all iCloud data for all users worldwide. iCloud data for Chinese users is stored in data centers owned by a state-owned Chinese company. It's one thing for the UK to demand access to data stored for UK users. It's quite another to demand access to all data for all users worldwide. Apple should offer the option of a Chinese-style solution or the end of iCloud storage in the UK.
In other news, Fascism is this year's hot new trend.
I’m a UK citizen and would rather trust Apple than our government!
The UK needs a true 4th Amendment equivalent (maybe one that's even more clear than the actual 4th Amendment)
No, not the definition of "fascism".
It is, however, a move towards a more authoritarian approach by the UK wrt user data.
Apple will make news (on this issue) regardless of what they decide to do.
If Apple does E to E encryption right, then they cannot provide access to either. That would be fine with me.
China has okay-ish metros around the country
Of course cant compete with London and Nea yorki metros
but hey China is anti-DEMOCRATIC , WHILE PEOPLE WERE DYING IN CAPITOL
Chinaa is the problem with metro like something from the future 21000
I’m starting to wonder if the global aspect is intended as their starting position, expecting this whole thing will be challenged at some level. If they later “compromise” and say “just for UK users, oh by the way, kind of like Apple did in China”, they still see it as a win. It may be what they are really after in the first place.