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Sounds like a flop. Along with the car rumors. They make it hard to be bullish about apple long term.
 
Let the Spring event to be huge, 1.5-2 hours like old days
- 14" and 16" Mbp with 3nm SoC
- M2 and M2 pro Mac mini
- M2 24" iMac
- Mac Pro
- Vr/Ar headset/glasses
Event for the AR/VR definitely but what is there to talk about for the other devices

I doubt we’ll see 3nm then, that goes against the apple trend of the last few years, especially for the more niche pro devices. I think it’ll just be M2 variants.

So all those macs will just be spec bumps in my view with M2 variants.
 
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Apple may dip their toe in the virtual reality world with this headset soon…but I still think AR is a long way off from becoming mainstream. I may be a middle aged out of touch dude... But even my teenage niece & nephew aren’t into VR or the Metaverse.
 
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Apple may dip their tow in the virtual reality world with this headset soon…but I still think AR is a long way off from becoming mainstream. I may be a middle aged out of touch dude... But even my teenage niece & nephew aren’t into VR or the Metaverse.
I agree. It’s much ado about nothing. Definitely VR is. AR glasses if implemented well I could see potential in.
 
At first there'll be only a few buying it but eventually it'll be huge for sure... like the iPhones and the Apple Watch. I'm not too enthusiastic about. We already look like a bunch of zombies with our phones today, imagine with an VR/AR headset.
 
Sounds like a flop. Along with the car rumors. They make it hard to be bullish about apple long term.
I remember that one article in 2007: "Why the iPhone Will Fail", or how the headphone jack removal would be the end of Apple. And the initial reaction to Airpods: first a joke/meme, now a multi-billion dollar industry. Or how people didn't believe the benchmarks in 2017 where iPhones were matching MacBook Pros and said their silicon couldn't possibly beat Intel. I don't know why people keep doing this to themselves, it's just going to make people go back in 15 years and just laugh.
 
Let the Spring event to be huge, 1.5-2 hours like old days
- 14" and 16" Mbp with 3nm SoC
- M2 and M2 pro Mac mini
- M2 24" iMac
- Mac Pro
- Vr/Ar headset/glasses
I'd rather have more but smaller events.
 
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Can't wait to replace mouse pointer with eyes pointer.
 
a tech in search of a problem, said this before and I'll stick to it.
And I fully expect an announcement for the Apple car next year, that's defietley be Apple's most expensive product ever /s
 
I think it's funny that all these analysts think that Apple is going to enter a product category like this just so they can make it for people that are productive, and while a super expensive device wouldn't surprise me, before the iPad was released the rumors, on this site I might add, point to it being $1k versus the $500 it actually was at launch.

I could also see Apple announcing the actual product with an only-sold-to-developers version that cost $3k coming out first and a few months later a $500-1000 device meant for consumers. Also, anyone thinking the "metaverse" will be a thing, calm down.
All this hate about the Metaverse… and what the hell is it anyway? Ill tell you what it is. Its just a group of interconected worlds. When one could jump between a World of Warcraft world to a Mario Bros world without having to change its user and avatar, and bringing along all your coin, gear and stuff.

Now there are two paths you can take. You can try to bild and own all of this worlds (that is what I think META is doing). Or you can build a plataform where others build the worlds and you offer the ability to interoperate (that is what I think apple will do). If that is the way Apple plays it I think it will be a huge thing.
 
I think a spring event would have a main focus of the AR headset, followed with a Mac Pro that’s marketed as the development platform for it. MacBook Pro refreshes on enhanced 5nm would pave the way for the M2 Ultra and Extreme chip reveals.
 
I watch the VR headset space just to see where tech takes us next, but as someone with rather poor vision from birth, the idea of wearing something on my face that's constantly forcing me to focus my vision to see things is just not appealing in the slightest. I wish I had 20/20 vision to better enjoy this kind of gear, but alas...

However, I share the mindset of some here that Apple would likely release a developer/productivity version of a headset before a consumer variant. All the same, I do want to know what it will look like, and what its ultimate goal is in the market.
 
Let's not start that association up, everything needs to distance itself from that company. Apple needs to really hit this one out of the park and set itself apart.
Fair but the metaverse is not exclusive to Meta (Facebook) despite their marketing. As a technological concept, AR/VR are both part of the metaverse/multiverse.
 
All this hate about the Metaverse… and what the hell is it anyway? Ill tell you what it is. Its just a group of interconected worlds. When one could jump between a World of Warcraft world to a Mario Bros world without having to change its user and avatar, and bringing along all your coin, gear and stuff.

Now there are two paths you can take. You can try to bild and own all of this worlds (that is what I think META is doing). Or you can build a plataform where others build the worlds and you offer the ability to interoperate (that is what I think apple will do). If that is the way Apple plays it I think it will be a huge thing.
Apple has publicly stated they think the idea of a "metaverse" is meh at best, same as Microsoft and several other companies. The fact is that the term is just a marketing term. "Metaverses" already exist and have for decades online. It is a go-nowhere idea that Facebook has attached itself to because they have this niche technology that they have no idea how to sell and this is its current solution.

And how you have attempted to define it shows that people like Tim Cook are onto something:


Also Xbox head's opinion on it:


You might be saying well, Microsoft has invested some money into it with Facebook, but Microsoft will invest in several things that go nowhere on the off chance that something comes of it.
 
I'm of the opinion that VR is a solution in search of a problem. So many companies have tried and failed in this arena.

Pretty much the broad "before" opinion in general...

I'm of the opinion that the light bulb is a solution in search of a problem. So many companies have tried and failed in this arena. We have perfectly fine candles.

I'm of the opinion that a horseless carriage is a solution in search of a problem. So many companies have tried and failed in this arena. We have perfectly fine horse-drawn carriages.

I'm of the opinion that these aero-planes is a solution in search of a problem. So many companies have tried and failed in this arena. We have perfectly fine automobiles. If God wanted us to fly...

Etc. A very good implementation of something that can completely control what our eyes see and our ears hear is a device that would have endless applications. Think Star Trek Holodeck or Matrix-like experiences sans touch & smell (in version 1 anyway). The many problems/opportunities that such a device can address are towards endless. My question is can Apple- or anyone else- make something that good in 202X?

The problem with VR is that if you look at someone, you are also filming the person. Most people do not want to be filmed. Nobody knows if you record the footage and what happens with it. I still remember the word "glassholes" for the people who wore Google Glasses many years ago.

Where did the term "glassholes" come from? Us Apple people? We put down ANY innovation that does NOT come from Apple... until Apple goes there themselves. Then our very passionate opinions flip seemingly overnight.

Hop back in history and look at how we relentlessly ridiculed the "abominations" and certain "fragmentation" of phablet-sized phones while Apple clung to 3.5" and then 4" as "perfect" sizes. Man purses? Pants with bigger pockets? One handed use? We had a pile of points terribly WRONG about phones with screens bigger than 4" until... (you know the rest of this story).

Hop back and look how we ridiculed lossless audio BEFORE Apple went there... how we ridiculed NFC before Apple rolled out ApplePay... how we ridiculed the idea of a 4K AppleTV while Apple clung to 1080p and how we ridiculed the idea of a 1080p AppleTV while Apple clung to 720p. And on and on.

It's always a stupid thing that "99% don't need" until Apple gets there... then it's "shut up and take my money" and "best <whatever> ever" and "how did we ever get by without <whatever>?" Passionate critics flip flop into gushing evangelists as soon as the terrible, awful, stupid <whatever> that "99% don't need" rolls out with an Apple logo on it. This will be no different.
 
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The metaverse is going to be all about what drives people to invest time in a virtual world: gaming and communication. If they manage to do one of the two really well, they have a chance.
 
I don't think it will look like that image. It will be a full selection of fashionable glasses, prescription, that can be ordered where in the lenses themselves are clear screens that are able to do a "heads up" display. Google Glass was on the right track and is 10 years old next year. I'm not an attorney but there are patent laws where 10 years is a significant marker, esp. if a product is too similar to another. You will not have to look at your phone for maps any more, or could stand on a mountain and have all the significant markers labelled everywhere you look - or if a farmer (which I was in my first career) you could walk around a machine and "see" where all the maintenance points are. Tim Cook is correct that once this happens and becomes "real" none of our lives will be the same. Imagine functioning without your phone..... it will be bigger than that. Let's hope Apple has this right the first time, like iPod.
 
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Outside of entertainment use I really don't see a general public use of VR - and there's already plenty of VR headsets for video games and entertainment. I can imagine a lot of VR implementation in a professional sense (and not in the cheap metaverse way).

That said, realityOS really does snap, even if it does sound like a precursor to some cyberpunk hellscape.
 
I remember that one article in 2007: "Why the iPhone Will Fail", or how the headphone jack removal would be the end of Apple. And the initial reaction to Airpods: first a joke/meme, now a multi-billion dollar industry. Or how people didn't believe the benchmarks in 2017 where iPhones were matching MacBook Pros and said their silicon couldn't possibly beat Intel. I don't know why people keep doing this to themselves, it's just going to make people go back in 15 years and just laugh.

This isn’t anything like iPhone. Thanks for playing though.
 
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