Could Vision Pro make visits to theme parks obsolete?

[Piggie]

Mind you, I will say sitting on my Sofa with a 3D headset on, and steering my Virtual Mini Submarine around a highly detailed and super realistic 3D lifelike model of the Titanic has for some reason become a lot more appealing in recent weeks.

See the Titanic in Stunning Detail With New 3D Scan

Researchers collected 16 terabytes of data to create the very first full-sized 3D scan of the wreckage

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Mind you, I will say sitting on my Sofa with a 3D headset on, and steering my Virtual Mini Submarine around a highly detailed and super realistic 3D lifelike model of the Titanic has for some reason become a lot more appealing in recent weeks.

See the Titanic in Stunning Detail With New 3D Scan

Researchers collected 16 terabytes of data to create the very first full-sized 3D scan of the wreckage

www.smithsonianmag.com

You could probably do an amazing job since you have the scans of the wreck and what is there. You have interior pictures for part of it, you have sister ships that would have some of the elements of the titanic ... and you likely have what materials/interior fittings were available and used on the Titanic.

 

[Jensend]

I stumbled upon Tokyo Disneyland while exploring in Google Earth VR. It’s fun to explore a 3D miniature that takes up your whole living room. It’s a nice additional way to explore a theme park, but it doesn’t replicate the existing experience.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

I stumbled upon Tokyo Disneyland while exploring in Google Earth VR. It’s fun to explore a 3D miniature that takes up your whole living room. It’s a nice additional way to explore a theme park, but it doesn’t replicate the existing experience.

No No No... let's all go to legoland... In fact now that I think of it... Lego should come out with a lego infinite kit where you can use all you can use... they can call it LegoCAD... because you know once you have completed your monstrosity in there you will have to buy the physical bricks and make it in real life ...

 

[Surf Monkey]

This idea that a VR headset can replace your experience of reality itself is flat out insane.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

This idea that a VR headset can replace your experience of reality itself is flat out insane.

Who wants to replace reality, the reality of being a road warrior... and many a long flight... has made me not really want to travel other than up to maybe 6 hours by road or train... That reality of travelling back... I am fine not having... though it would be nice to take a look at a place to wander around (for a few reasons)... even if not getting the enjoyment of walking... is nice to have as an option (like Google Streets but on steroids). I however don't care about make believe places in real life, when you can make more wonderous make believe environments in VR (eventually) -- if you are into that sort of thing... i.e. why board a 'star trek ride' when you could have a full recreation of the ship and wander around it.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Who wants to replace reality, the reality of being a road warrior... and many a long flight... has made me not really want to travel other than up to maybe 6 hours by road or train... That reality of travelling back... I am fine not having... though it would be nice to take a look at a place to wander around (for a few reasons)... even if not getting the enjoyment of walking... is nice to have as an option (like Google Streets but on steroids). I however don't care about make believe places in real life, when you can make more wonderous make believe environments in VR (eventually) -- if you are into that sort of thing... i.e. why board a 'star trek ride' when you could have a full recreation of the ship and wander around it.

The experience of a VR environment is not the same thing as experiencing the real world.

 

[MacMan2013]

Vision Pro will replace real life experiences that are about what you see and what you hear. Going to see a movie or a play or a concert, wondering round a museum or a historic monument. Not everyone likes travelling, and not everyone likes going to places where there are loads of people. This could help many people experience more without having to deal with stressful activities. Theme parks are a bad example really, because there is a physical sensation, its not just sight and sound.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

The experience of a VR environment is not the same thing as experiencing the real world.

Of course not... do you think when you play ping pong that anything in the real world can detect your mussle movement, your slice - exact angle, how much spin it is - whether you made a last second halt to it... where the ping pong ball lands would not even be close to what it is in real life. Do you think that you shoot an arrow on a compound bow, it has anything to do with VR - of course not... so lets all ban these silly games that pretend you are doing that in real life because it has nothing to do with reality... in fact let us ban anything that resembles real life in VR... as it can't match real life - so you should not use it... and walking vs sitting... two different things when strolling around the back alleys... wow, VR is never going to be good enough -- let us ban VR too. 🤣

 

[Surf Monkey]

Vision Pro will replace real life experiences that are about what you see and what you hear. Going to see a movie or a play or a concert, wondering round a museum or a historic monument. Not everyone likes travelling, and not everyone likes going to places where there are loads of people. This could help many people experience more without having to deal with stressful activities. Theme parks are a bad example really, because there is a physical sensation, its not just sight and sound.

It can’t really replicate those experiences either.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Of course not... do you think when you play ping pong that anything in the real world can detect your mussle movement, your slice - exact angle, how much spin it is - whether you made a last second halt to it... where the ping pong ball lands would not even be close to what it is in real life. Do you think that you shoot an arrow on a compound bow, it has anything to do with VR - of course not... so lets all ban these silly games that pretend you are doing that in real life because it has nothing to do with reality... in fact let us ban anything that resembles real life in VR... as it can't match real life - so you should not use it... and walking vs sitting... two different things when strolling around the back alleys... wow, VR is never going to be good enough -- let us ban VR too. 🤣

Reductionism isn’t an argument. Neither is the room full of straw men you brought to this party.

 

[Jensend]

The experience of a VR environment is not the same thing as experiencing the real world.

You’re right, it’s not exactly the same thing. Listening to a recording of music isn’t exactly the same as attending a live orchestra. Watching Hamilton on Disney+ isn’t the same as attending a live performance. Watching a sporting event on TV…..
But people enjoy those things nonetheless.

But VR can provide an experience that is closer to the real world than just speakers and a TV. Is that a bad thing?

 

[bkkcanuck8]

It can’t really replicate those experiences either.

People tend to go on the rides/roller coasters at theme parks (which are usually the highly visible reasons for going) for the 'endorphin rush'... the Vision Pro will not give you that.

 

[KaiFiMacFan]

Some of you are pointing out that an experience like that involves more senses than just vision and hearing and that's true that the Vision Pro can't account for additional senses yet, but if you've ever read Brave New World, you might consider that a "sensory experience" involving more than just the two is on the horizon.

What I appreciate most about travel videos and things like Google Street View is getting a sense of a place before I go there or getting to see a lot of a place that I know I'm very unlikely to visit. I suppose this could be a more immersive version of that.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Reductionism isn’t an argument. Neither is the room full of straw men you brought to this party.

You are arguing that you cannot use it for real life for theme parks because you will not have the real life experience... Every thing you do in real life will not be the same in VR period... you will only have some visual simularities... my sarcasm at you cherry picking just theme parks to say Vision Pro cannot do that (inferring that it is not useful to a large extent to do that)... is warranted (IMHO). People do not use VR for real life experiences, though it will allow you some level of being able to visualize things in 3D where you can't or don't want to actually experience it first hand because of disability or you can't or don't want to travel to the location in question. I wouldn't mind taking a tour in 3D of the space station, but I am not going to pay $20 million to go there as a tourist... it won't be the same as being there in a weightless environment, but then I won't have to experience some of the downsides of going there as well (like the money, peeing into a suction device, and eating food that is not the greatest).

Oh, and sarcasm (reductio ad absurdum) is not necessarily an aurgument - and not meant to be an argument - more of highlighting the absurdity of a position when taken to it's logical end.

 

[kkee]

Imagine people will spend more time at home in the future. Sometimes I am not sure if I feel that's the right direction. Now imagine a very portable light version of Vision Pro, will that automatically makes people out and about? Am I missing something here? What will make VP attractive to be used outdoor?

 

[KauaiBruce]

I am one of those who like the concert / cinema experience, but hate pretty much everything else about it. The vision pro looks like it would strip out all the pain points, from having sub par seats, to not having to deal with scalpers for popular concerts, to lessening the need to travel.

I don’t know what it may mean for the experience when you are not in the same venue as tens of thousands of other screaming fans, or when scarcity is no longer an issue (you are not confined by the seating capacity of the stadium). RIP ticketmaster.

How would the artists feel performing in front of an empty stage? It’s basically live-streaming.

Things will change. Just can’t say if it will be for the better or worse.

I love the idea of using this for broadway shows. They could even let you change the view from different parts of the theater. If done properly this could greatly increase revenue for the shows. The actors should also get a cut of the tickets.

 

[ratspg]

A huge part of a ride at Disneyland such as Pirates of the Caribbean is the scent of the water throughout the ride. VR/AR won't catch that at all. It will literally be missing an entire sense of a theme park haha.

 

[Surf Monkey]

A huge part of a ride at Disneyland such as Pirates of the Caribbean is the scent of the water throughout the ride. VR/AR won't catch that at all. It will literally be missing an entire sense of a theme park haha.

Well, yeah. No sense of physical motion. No sense of place. The idea that you slap on an apple helmet and are suddenly transported to the Taylor Swift show, just like actually being there, is absurd. Real world experiences can’t be replaced with a plastic face plate that shows you a video.

 

[ratspg]

Well, yeah. No sense of physical motion. No sense of place. The idea that you slap on an apple helmet and are suddenly transported to the Taylor Swift show, just like actually being there, is absurd. Real world experiences can’t be replaced with a plastic face plate that shows you a video.

But they'll tout how amazing Spatial Audio is when you hear Taylor Swift , JUST like when you're there live! lol, I'm with you. I think VR/AR will have some great applications and uses, but it doesn't replace something.

 

[Jensend]

Well, yeah. No sense of physical motion. No sense of place. The idea that you slap on an apple helmet and are suddenly transported to the Taylor Swift show, just like actually being there, is absurd. Real world experiences can’t be replaced with a plastic face plate that shows you a video.

At a Taylor Swift concert most people are just looking at a giant screen anyways.
If you're actually there for the music and choreography, a VR experience could be technically superior. If you're there to meet with fellow Swifties and experience the crowd, sure, a VR experience won't be the same.

 

[Harry Haller]

“Where do you want to go.”

Apple Vision Pro leak reveals 8 virtual environments to explore

Navigate menus in these gorgeous vistas

www.tomsguide.com

 

[Surf Monkey]

At a Taylor Swift concert most people are just looking at a giant screen anyways.
If you're actually there for the music and choreography, a VR experience could be technically superior. If you're there to meet with fellow Swifties and experience the crowd, sure, a VR experience won't be the same.

It can’t replace real experiences.

 

[jcmc]

You (Surf Monkey) seem to have adopted a binary absolutism to your arguments here - it's can't replace real experiences, full stop. I'm not sure if even the most ambitious marketing executive at Apple has, or will, even attempt to suggest that it can provide an experience that is indistinguishable from the original, but what it can do is potentially provide a good approximation of an experience that the great majority of us cannot ever hope to experience in real life anyway.

Some of the examples mentioned here - touring the Titanic or the Space Station - would be experiences that none of us will ever get close to, so why would something that could potentially give some sort of immersive representation of those experiences not be a good thing? Taylor Swift concerts are expensive and hard to get tickets for, so why would a virtual participation in one via a headset not be at least better for her fans than sitting at home glumly watching clips that people upload to YouTube?

And what you lose from the slightly detached sense of being an outsider and the lack of social interaction, you will gain back in other ways through the potential the tec should give you to enhance your session. I'm imagining that you could position yourself on stage alongside Taylor Swift and walk around as she belts out her deeply mediocre canon.

I'm fascinated to see what they do with sports coverage, specifically football. The idea that I could watch coverage of games (which I almost exclusively do via television already) but position myself on the pitch and see the action from the closest of close-up positions is a fascinating one. I mean it might prove to be a gimmick in the longer run, but it should at least offer an experience beyond traditional television watching.

 

[ratspg]

You (Surf Monkey) seem to have adopted a binary absolutism to your arguments here - it's can't replace real experiences, full stop. I'm not sure if even the most ambitious marketing executive at Apple has, or will, even attempt to suggest that it can provide an experience that is indistinguishable from the original, but what it can do is potentially provide a good approximation of an experience that the great majority of us cannot ever hope to experience in real life anyway.

Some of the examples mentioned here - touring the Titanic or the Space Station - would be experiences that none of us will ever get close to, so why would something that could potentially give some sort of immersive representation of those experiences not be a good thing? Taylor Swift concerts are expensive and hard to get tickets for, so why would a virtual participation in one via a headset not be at least better for her fans than sitting at home glumly watching clips that people upload to YouTube?

And what you lose from the slightly detached sense of being an outsider and the lack of social interaction, you will gain back in other ways through the potential the tec should give you to enhance your session. I'm imagining that you could position yourself on stage alongside Taylor Swift and walk around as she belts out her deeply mediocre canon.

I'm fascinated to see what they do with sports coverage, specifically football. The idea that I could watch coverage of games (which I almost exclusively do via television already) but position myself on the pitch and see the action from the closest of close-up positions is a fascinating one. I mean it might prove to be a gimmick in the longer run, but it should at least offer an experience beyond traditional television watching.

Regarding sports coverage, how do you feel about watching football at home with friends? How is the Vision Pro a great experience with a group of people? Only seems great alone.