Nope. But you just proved my point. The device has to appeal to a general audience, not shut-ins who don’t mind being isolated from the real world.
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Could Vision Pro make visits to theme parks obsolete?
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Nope. But you just proved my point. The device has to appeal to a general audience, not shut-ins who don’t mind being isolated from the real world.
This past weekend I watched a movie with friends from other states and countries... by using a "plastic helmet". And unlike at a physical movie theater, we were able to talk during the movie, so it was more "with others" than at a physical theater.
I've read several stories about how VR can connect family that may not live physically close to each other, such as this story
Disclaimer: yes, I realize that it isn't 100% exactly the same as sharing a physical room with others, but it is often the best possible way to connect when physical closeness isn't an option. And a shared activity can make conversation easier.
So "social networks" are not social? Interesting insight. I can't say that you're wrong, but I can say that there are those who would disagree with you.
Nope. Not really. There are dozens of scholarly articles on how “social media” is not real social behavior and that relying on it as such tends to lead to poor outcomes.
Again. Show your workings here rather than just making assertions that just happen to support your broader, absolutist point about how horribly isolating this thing might be.
Show my work? Come on now. People watch sports together. That isn’t an assertion that needs factual backup. It’s manifestly obvious just by living in this country.
That's silly. You can't compare the difference in prevalence of social and non-social activities just by casual observation and intuition.
If someone is watching sports alone, that means you aren't with them to observe them watching sports.
If you see someone watching sports, or a video of them watching sports, that means you are or someone else is with them, and it's likely a social gathering of some sort.
And it's possible that people who watch sports alone are also less likely to discuss sports with others... Or maybe not!
What a futile argument you’re making. Sure. No one watches sports in groups. Everyone loves isolation. Whatever justifies the Apple Face Toy Pro. Just don’t tell the multi-billion dollar industry around watching sports in groups.
God forbid I don’t just parrot the Apple press releases.
On sports:
Amongst men it’s 60/40 alone to in groups. It’s the opposite for women. This doesn’t take into account sports bars and attending live events.
Creating a theme park with VP Is many years away and doubtful it can replicate the real experience
There you go with your straw man. I didn't even claim that watching sports alone is more common than watching it with others. I was simply explaining that you hadn't given evidence for your claim that "The vast majority of people experience sports as a communal event"
I very rarely watch sports, but the one team I occasionally watch is from the town I grew up in, which is thousands of miles away. It could be fun to watch with a group of fans using VR.
I would watch movies even if I had free tickets to a Broadway theater across the street that had a different play/musical every day. Sure, I'd watch fewer movies and attend more plays/musicals, but they are different mediums, with different strengths.
It really is an assertion that needs factual backup. A cursory Google search throws up a Forbes article from 2019 which contains the following:
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Rise of streaming
The survey found more than half (54%) of sports fanatics had a Pay-TV subscription while 46% pay for an OTT service of any type. However, there are also indications that viewing habits are changing.
Nearly two thirds (65%) of sports fans watch video on their smartphone and 53% watch on a PC. This compares to 43% of those that watch on their television. Smart TV and streaming devices, such as Google Chromecast and Apple TV, accounts for 38% of viewing.
The figures from Grabyo suggest that although sport is still a major driver of Pay-TV subscriptions, many fans are
choosing to watch on applications like Sky Go or through dedicated OTT services.
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Even you are not going to make the argument that multiple people watch together on a single smartphone. It's so odd that you are fixated on the nebulous notion of 'social interaction' as the smoking gun that will kill this project. Phones are essentially anti-social devices and we often see entire families sitting together in a living room but not interacting at all as every one is on their phone or tablet. This has not hindered their surge to ubiquity in the slightest.
I mean the only really anti-social element we have seen with the AVP so far was the father taking the spatial video at the birthday party, and we basically learned soon after that was a necessary placeholder until they could announce this feature in phones. Then filming your kids at a party with a phone becomes a perfectly normal thing.
It's almost like you are arguing in bad faith. The AVR might well fail, but if it does it's because the high price does not attract a big user base which in turn does not attract developers to make compelling experiences that will attract more people into paying the high prices. It will not fail because society deems it anti-social.
I did. Scroll back. Just not in directly reply to you.
And again, sports are a social activity. It’s remarkable that you or anyone else would try to deny that. I mean, it’s flat out weird.
Your link said that men—who watch sports more than twice as much each week as women—prefer watching sports alone.
No one here is talking in absolutes but you. Of course watching sports is often a social activity, which, by the way, VR is also capable of.
It said that 60% prefers that. The number doesn’t take into account women (not sure why you’re so quick to dismiss them) and only covers home viewing, but spaces like sports bars.
Accusing me of absolutism is ridiculous, as is trying to suggest that 1) sports are not inherently social and 2) that the Vision system isn’t isolating.
If you do a weighted average based on how much men and women say they watch sports, It basically comes out to 50/50 for watching alone.
Where does it say that? It does say that "83% of Americans like to watch most games at home."
Playing sports is inherently social. It's part of the definition of the word "sports". Watching sports is not inherently social, even though it often—and perhaps even usually—is.
I don't claim that VR can't be isolating, I'm simply claiming it isn't inherently isolating.
Me disagreeing with you does not mean that I believe the opposite of you. It may be true that VR tends to be less social than watching sports (I wouldn't be surprised if that were true). I'm just countering how you are putting things into neat little boxes.
That is your initial claim. I don't see how the page you linked backs that up.
You also seem to at least imply that VR is inherently antisocial, which I don't agree with.
Well let’s see. I watched a video on YouTube recently where a woman who used Vision Pro said she was climbing a mountain and when she looked down she immediately got sick like it gave that feeling or fear of real height. Depending on how good the content is it can trick your mind into thinking you’re actually there to some extent.
This is absurd. Of course it can’t. The first thing that comes to mind is that it can’t even replicate the full sensory experience… so of course not.
Yeah, it’s just people who can’t brook any kind of criticism of Apple’s helmet.